Shane Victornio? If So Cherington Must Go!

[redsoxfan3]

I figured the lineup would look more like this

 

Victorino - S

Pedoria - R

Ellsbury - L

Napoli - R

Ortiz - L

Middlebrooks - R

Salty/Ross

Gomes/Kalish

Drew - L

 

I think it is more balanced with Nap hitting cleanup and Ortiz hitting 5th

Vic at the top will just have to be a wait and see

 

I don't like the idea of Ells batting 3rd. I think he can be successful there, but I like him as our leadoff. Also, I would prefer Ortiz batting cleanup and Napoli batting 5th.

 

Assuming Napoli signs:

 

Ellsbury

Victorino

Pedroia

Ortiz

Napoli

WMB

Gomes/Kalish

Catcher

Drew

 

This is the lineup that I like more. Pedroia has proven he can hit 3rd. I like him batting 2nd more, but I think we would be fine with this lineup. I also have seen batting order projections of:

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Ortiz

Napoli

Middlebrools

Victorino

Gomes/Kalish

Ross/Lavarnway/Salty

Drew

[Lucienbel]

With a couple ofspeed demons in front of him that could work very well. He wouldn't need to hit HRs to bring them home. Singles and doubles would do the trick.

 

Exactly. He's a good option to hit behind them two largely because he's one guy in the lineup we can safely expect some average out of too. Plus, he'd never get walked with Ortiz behind him and the fact that he can run.

 

On the other hand, Ortiz is going to need a bat behind him or else he's going to end up seeing a ton of free passes this year. I don't know if Middlebrooks is the guy you want behind Ortiz yet. If they don't end up picking up a middle of the order bat for 1st base we should all hope Middlebrooks is capable of picking up right where he left off before the wrist. If that doesn't happen, someone else is going to need to end up being a pretty big surprise.

[Softlaw]

It was no joke. Cherry is incompetent! This guy was thrown in two dumpsters and is in full decline. They should have never toched this guy, but now that they have they must understand that Shane's only value is in CF. They need to trade Ellsbury and would net more than the draft pick they will get when Ellsbury leaves town in a few months.

 

Cherry's plan of incomptence, replace 30 million on Crawbust and Ellspuff with 23 million on Ellspuff and old Shane as a corner OF'er. Truly, a joke.

[Behindenemylines]

I have a feeling that Victorino is going to surprise some people. He is not going to hit a lot of homers, but he is a huge upgrade with the glove in RF and is going to hit for average and steal some bases for the Sox. Something Crawford was suppose to do, but never did. Unlike Crawford Victorino has proven he can play in a big market.

[dupree]

I have a feeling that Victorino is going to surprise some people. He is not going to hit a lot of homers, but he is a huge upgrade with the glove in RF and is going to hit for average and steal some bases for the Sox. Something Crawford was suppose to do, but never did. Unlike Crawford Victorino has proven he can play in a big market.

 

I think Victorino will suprise some people too. And i do like him better than Crawford. I hate Crawford's hacking swing. If Victorino can hit for average and steal 30 and play his defense of old this may be an alright sign. I wasnt big on the signing in the begining and im still in the wait and see with him. But as long as Crawford and his contract are gone im happy.

[seabeachfred]

I think Victorino will suprise some people too. And i do like him better than Crawford. I hate Crawford's hacking swing. If Victorino can hit for average and steal 30 and play his defense of old this may be an alright sign. I wasnt big on the signing in the begining and im still in the wait and see with him. But as long as Crawford and his contract are gone im happy.

 

Crawford had tremendous talent but was just a very bad fit for Boston. I don't think he liked the pressure or the crowds and tumult that surrounded the city. Keep in mind too, however, that Victorino isn't exactly a work-the-count artist either. He hacks away and can't hit lefthanded to save his sorry ass........at least the past two seasons he hasn't, and we don't plan on platooning him. After saying that Philadelphia was still in his heart and was the place he really wanted to go, he had better get off to a solid start for the Red Sox or his ass will be hanging out to dry by the press, fans, media and everyone but the rumpswabs who will applaude on cue whenever the front office tells them to.

[dupree]

Agreed fred. Its not as much as the hacking as the swing itself. I never liked the choppy swing of crawford. It looks like a tee ball kids swing. The one hand on the bat through the zone is not idea by no means and thats what crawfords swing looks like.

[seabeachfred]

Agreed fred. Its not as much as the hacking as the swing itself. I never liked the choppy swing of crawford. It looks like a tee ball kids swing. The one hand on the bat through the zone is not idea by no means and thats what crawfords swing looks like.

 

Never liked his swing either my friend. I liked his wide open stance even less and I think his injuries actually slowed his bat speed down considerably when he came to the Red Sox. You have to close up real fast to meet up with the ball when you're that open and I noticed he was late doing it much of the time, that plus, he started swinging at a lot of bad pitches and his defense also was pretty crappy. I'm glad we got rid of that contract of his and maybe in the NL he will come back, but it wouldn't surprise me if his slide keeps going.

 

But resigning Sweeney? The guy has no power, is not a run production guy and only is good for singled and some defense. You mean we can't do better that Sweeney and Nava?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Crawford had tremendous talent but was just a very bad fit for Boston. I don't think he liked the pressure or the crowds and tumult that surrounded the city. Keep in mind too, however, that Victorino isn't exactly a work-the-count artist either. He hacks away and can't hit lefthanded to save his sorry ass........at least the past two seasons he hasn't, and we don't plan on platooning him. After saying that Philadelphia was still in his heart and was the place he really wanted to go, he had better get off to a solid start for the Red Sox or his ass will be hanging out to dry by the press, fans, media and everyone but the rumpswabs who will applaude on cue whenever the front office tells them to.

 

Actually Victorino mashes LHP, it's RHP that he struggles against.

[Softlaw]

If Victorino can hit for average and steal 30 and play his defense of old this may be an alright sign.

 

Shane, an old man at age 33, has been thrown in 2 dumpsters before the Red Sox gave him a shocking windfall. He hasn't stolen 30 bases since 2010, and is in full decline. It will be embarrassing to watch this guy paid 13 million a year for 3 years.

[Softlaw]

Sea, miss you over at BDC Boston Globe. That place is down to about 2 or 3 propaganda posters, lead by that big phony, Moonslavic.

[Spitball]

If Victorino can hit for average and steal 30 and play his defense of old this may be an alright sign.

He hasn't stolen 30 bases since 2010, and is in full decline. It will be embarrassing to watch this guy paid 13 million a year for 3 years.

 

Hmmm...Actually, he just stole a career high 39 bases in 2012.

 

A good poster always checks the facts.

[seabeachfred]

Actually Victorino mashes LHP, it's RHP that he struggles against.

 

Very true SFF, but if you re-read my post I said he can't hit lefthanded worth a damn. Left handed hitter vs a RH pitcher?

[seabeachfred]

Sea, miss you over at BDC Boston Globe. That place is down to about 2 or 3 propaganda posters, lead by that big phony, Moonslavic.

 

Softlaw---I took a couple of months hiatus from that board. Like you I can't stand reading propaganda by ball washers or front office apologists. We have some here too, but we also have a lot more independent thinking people. I will start posting there again soon. Hope you will still be there as well.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Very true SFF, but if you re-read my post I said he can't hit lefthanded worth a damn. Left handed hitter vs a RH pitcher?

 

Ohhhhh my bad!! My apologies.

[Spitball]

Very true SFF, but if you re-read my post I said he can't hit lefthanded worth a damn. Left handed hitter vs a RH pitcher?

 

He has a .732 career OPS as a left handed batter. That is better than Cody Ross's career spilts versus right handed pitchers.

[seabeachfred]

Ohhhhh my bad!! My apologies.

 

No problem Bro. It's not as if I haven't goofed before. Good to keep me on my toes just in case. My friend Spitball has shown me the right road a couple of times before. Always good to proofread what I write. For a minute I thought I had goofed up.

[SoxFanForsyth]

By WAR, Victorino is the #3 RF in all of baseball. Just reminding people that this was not a bad signing at all.

[Palodios]

By WAR, Victorino is the #3 RF in all of baseball. Just reminding people that this was not a bad signing at all.

 

Might want to read Youk's comments in the Gomes thread.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Might want to read Youk's comments in the Gomes thread.

 

Haha. It wasn't to try to annoy anyone. It was to discuss how good Victorino has been.

 

I didn't want to start another thread when we already had one about him running.

[Lord Snow]

By WAR, Victorino is the #3 RF in all of baseball. Just reminding people that this was not a bad signing at all.

 

It doesn't change the fact that the Sox are paying $13 million for a .750 OPS.

 

Are 1 & 2 making $13M+ per year? 4-10?

[SoxSport]

Yeah, they wasted a lot of that money pre-season. But they have plenty of it, and it's fruitless to criticize now when they are doing so well.

 

I see they've jumped back in the lead against powerhouse Houston. They can't lose two in a row to that team. Their payroll is less than Pawtucket's.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Ahhhhhhh

[sk7326]

It doesn't change the fact that the Sox are paying $13 million for a .750 OPS.

 

Are 1 & 2 making $13M+ per year? 4-10?

 

The deal could look bad in a year or so. But a 3 win player is worth a solid price. Defense has been excellent, offense has been ok, and the team has been excellent when he has been able to play. OPS is fun to ruminate over, but he is getting on base at a non-awful rate and has made up for it with the rest of the baseball skills. Ellsbury has been their best position player to date (and probably should appear on some MVP ballots - seeing as MVP ballots are 10-deep), so lots of guys look bad there, and Victorino will have a hard time justifying playing a corner if his glove fades much. But fortunately a short-ish commitment.

[Orange Juiced]

Victorino has been just fine. No complaints from me about his performance this year.

[Bellhorn04]

FanGraphs has Victorino with a UZR/150 of +41 runs.

[BornToRun]

Vic's been awesome. Good offense with above-average on base abilities and a bit of power, good speed on the bases, and amazing defense in right field with a rocket of an arm to boot.

 

If this is the kind of performance we can expect for the rest of next year and in 2014/15, I will be more than satisfied.

[Palodios]

FanGraphs has Victorino with a UZR/150 of +41 runs.

 

For people who don't know what this means... Victorino is leading the majors in defensive value at any position in UZR/150.

[VA Sox Fan]

For people who don't know what this means... Victorino is leading the majors in defensive value at any position in UZR/150.

 

Thank you! I don't speak sabermetrics.

[a700hitter]

For people who don't know what this means... Victorino is leading the majors in defensive value at any position in UZR/150.

I have watched a lot of Victorino since his Phillie days. The guy can track down flyballs better than anyone. I am glad to see that the numbers agree with my eyes. I still got it.