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[jung]

I can easily believe Dempster wants to go NL...that makes more sense than anything. Again I would bet that if the Sox landed him they would have to make him an offer he simply could not refuse. How the hell much sense does that make?

[RedSoxNC84]

Anyone notice that not only have the sox been giving out 3/39 contracts, they are also paying 3.9 over the next 3 years to the dodgers as per the blockbuster trade.

[RedSoxNC84]

as far as dempster goes:

 

ain't nobody got time for that

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Anyone notice that not only have the sox been giving out 3/39 contracts, they are also paying 3.9 over the next 3 years to the dodgers as per the blockbuster trade.

 

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[Orange Juiced]

Looks like Dempster to the Sox is probably going to happen.

 

Meh.

 

Not a big fan, and don't think the Sox would end up doing much worse by having Morales pitch those innings. That said, Dempster isn't a bad pitcher. Last 5 years (since he's become a full-time starter):

 

65-49, 3.74 era, 1.30 whip, 8.2 k/9, 114 era+, 199 ip per season, 16.4 fWAR (3.3 per season)

 

So he takes the ball, gives you a lot of innings, and gives you above-average performance. That's a pretty good thing to have in the rotation.

 

Will it turn the Sox into World Series contenders? No. Will it help? Almost certainly. I'd expect an era in the low 4's (maybe 4.35 or so) for the Sox. Which isn't bad. It's not great, but it's not bad.

[SoxSport]

How can Dumpster refuse a dumbass offer he isn't going to get anywhere else? They are wasting a lot of money on a guy who is almost a batting practice pitcher at this point-certainly in the AL east. You don't throw those kind of bucks at a back of rotation pitcher--even if he once pitched for Henry's Marlins--too long ago.

[Dojji]

People are being a bit overly negative here. Overreacting to a bad move. I can see why, but it's still an overreaction.

[jung]

4.35 and 200 innings is pretty optimistic for Dempster. If he produced those numbers he likely gets slotted between 1-3 not 4-5. If he established an ERA around 4.50 for 200 innings, the Sox would likely consider the deal a success.

 

The problem is that if he were to get up around 5.00 for an era, the Sox have guys that can likely duplicate that for much less money. At this point, Demspter probably figures he could get 3 years from somebody and that he would be giving up money to take 2 years in Boston. That means the number for 2 years must be getting close to off the charts or the Sox are knuckling under on 3 years which would be a huge mistake. Even 2 years at huge money is a mistake cause you can likely get what Dempster will give them from the guys that are here now.

[Bellhorn04]

4.35 and 200 innings is pretty optimistic for Dempster. If he produced those numbers he likely gets slotted between 1-3 not 4-5. If he established an ERA around 4.50 for 200 innings, the Sox would likely consider the deal a success.

 

The problem is that if he were to get up around 5.00 for an era, the Sox have guys that can likely duplicate that for much less money. At this point, Demspter probably figures he could get 3 years from somebody and that he would be giving up money to take 2 years in Boston. That means the number for 2 years must be getting close to off the charts or the Sox are knuckling under on 3 years which would be a huge mistake. Even 2 years at huge money is a mistake cause you can likely get what Dempster will give them from the guys that are here now.

 

If he gives them 200 innings that's more than we've been getting from most of our starters. If he does it with less than a 4.5 ERA that's decent. If he does it with a 5 ERA he's Ryan Wakefield.

[jung]

Your correct Bell. I don't see him recording a 4.35 era over 200 innings in here. I am not particularly optimistic that he can roll in here with a 4.5. I think it more likely that he falls below 5.00...but once he gets above 4.5, his innings are going to suffer as well.

[MNSoxChief102]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/red-sox-to-sign-ryan-dempster.html

 

Done deal for Dempster... 2 years, $26.5 million

[NZSox]

@GordonEdes: Dempster, Red Sox strrike 2-year deal for $26.5m, pending physical., source confirms. @Ken_Rosenthal first with this one,.

[NZSox]

@msimonespn: R.A. Dickey 12.1 WAR from 2010 to 2012. Ryan Dempster 6.5 WAR from 2010 to 2012 #justsayin

[BSN07]

If Dumpster manages anything under a 5.00 ERA I will be surprisingly shocked. The only positive in this whole deal is it's not for 3 years.

[Bellhorn04]

If Dumpster manages anything under a 5.00 ERA I will be surprisingly shocked.

 

And I will be shockingly surprised.

[BSN07]

And I will be shockingly surprised.

 

lol

[redsoxfan3]

If Dempster can give us 4.50 or under and 170 for two years, I will be happy. At least it is only two. The positive is that there are rumors that if we did not get Hamilton that we will look into Sanchez and Swisher, so if we can sign those two and keep Napoli, we will be in a decent situation, especially with flexibility at 1B, in the OF, and at C. Sanchez, Lester, Buchholz, Dempster, and one of Lackey, Doubront, or Morales would be a pretry solid rotation. I am just hoping we can at least sign Sanchez or Jackson now.

[iortiz]

If Dempster can give us 4.50 or under and 170 for two years, I will be happy. At least it is only two. The positive is that there are rumors that if we did not get Hamilton that we will look into Sanchez and Swisher, so if we can sign those two and keep Napoli, we will be in a decent situation, especially with flexibility at 1B, in the OF, and at C. Sanchez, Lester, Buchholz, Dempster, and one of Lackey, Doubront, or Morales would be a pretry solid rotation. I am just hoping we can at least sign Sanchez or Jackson now.

 

That would be awesome!

[SoxSport]

I doubt the Red Sox will sign anymore players unless the Napoli deal falls through. And by that time, the best alternatives will be gone.

[Bellhorn04]

I doubt the Red Sox will sign anymore players unless the Napoli deal falls through. And by that time, the best alternatives will be gone.

 

I think there will be more. They've got 25 million + without hitting the tax threshold. They've at least demonstrated that they're not just pocketing the money from the Dodgers trade.

[example1]

I don't hate the Dempster signing, actually. 2 years is good because he will be coming off the books after 2014. He's been healthy and relatively successful the past few years. I don't love the deal but think it could have been much worse and he doesn't derail their post 2014 plans at all.

[BSN07]

Ok now that I have cooled off, I don't like the Dempster deal. But I don't hate is as much as my bitching would lead to believe. I'm thrilled it's not 3 years. I hope he does well although I'm not particularly hopeful. I think it's just as likely he will get traded mid season as it is he finishes the deal.

 

Think about it. Dempster needed a good AAV in this contract and probably wasn't getting it anywhere else other then Boston. So he takes Boston's deal knowing full well he could be moved this year or next, but he's got his money know so he doesn't care. Now if things look grim around the TDL the Sox have a piece teams could be interested in. Dempster should have value as a SP that is more then a rental. Sox eat some money and get some prospects in return. We will see I guess.

[dupree]

Is boston still in on Kyle Loshe or is this the rotation as it sits for 2013

Now that the word is Sanchez is heading to the cubs, lohse is a ground ball pitcher and so is dempster i dont like either one of them in the AL East but i think ground ball pitchers do well in fenway so i was just wondering if this is what i had to look forward to

 

And what is Kyle Lohse's asking price?

[kapsis21]

Is boston still in on Kyle Loshe or is this the rotation as it sits for 2013

Now that the word is Sanchez is heading to the cubs, lohse is a ground ball pitcher and so is dempster i dont like either one of them in the AL East but i think ground ball pitchers do well in fenway so i was just wondering if this is what i had to look forward to

 

And what is Kyle Lohse's asking price?

 

Sanchez is likely heading to Tigers, since he wants to go there and is asking Tigers to match the cubs deal.

[Station 13]

Dempster Diving $26M

 

Why not Brandon McCarthy??

[User Name]

Dempster Diving $26M

 

Why not Brandon McCarthy??

 

Why not both? And Dempester being actually healthy makes him a significantly better option for innings than McCarthy.

[a700hitter]

Dempster Diving $26M

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Why not Brandon McCarthy??

IMO, Ben is too deliberate at time and other teams beat him to the punch.

[Station 13]

Why not both? And Dempester being actually healthy makes him a significantly better option for innings than McCarthy.

 

Dempster is grossly overpaid. While McCarthy had great success vs teams from the AL East. You can't say the same with Dempster. I think he'll just be a .500 guy and while eating up over $13M.

[User Name]

Dempster is grossly overpaid. While McCarthy had great success vs teams from the AL East. You can't say the same with Dempster. I think he'll just be a .500 guy and while eating up over $13M.

 

You absolutely ignored the point. McCarthy has proven he can be very effective in the AL, but he's very injury-prone. As far as providing innings go, Dempster is a much better bet. Whether or not he's overpaid or underpaid is inconsequential.

[User Name]

IMO, Ben is too deliberate at time and other teams beat him to the punch.

 

You don't know what you're talking about.