Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[Lucienbel]

You know, I wonder if you could solve this in part by playing Big Papi at first base for 60 games and piecing the rest together. He's aged since he did that on even a semi-regular basis, but as I recall he's a moderately competent 1B, health permitting.

 

That would at least give you some flexibility to play around with the DH and other positions, and maybe work Lavarnway into the lineup.

 

Papi is likely to see sometime there any way you bend it, with the way interleague play is going to work this year. At this point I don't know how safe I would feel putting him there any more than that though. If worse did come to worse it is an option.

[BSN07]

Ortiz will probably get a few games at 1B with all the inter league play this year. But I agree with spitball in that it's too risky to put Ortiz out there even at a semi regular basis. Anything more then 10-15 games and I'm getting nervous. He's too important for the offense as things stand currently. That and his age will warrant some protection.

[dupree]

With the reports this morning of Napoli still in talkss to sign and every analyst saying that this deal will happen, are there any reports saying that the red sox on in talkss with anyone else to play first. I did look at the minor league splits on Gomez and Cherry sends to think he has upside but i would like another option to come in that could play some outfield and firstbase. Garret Jones or Micheal Morse are two that i like alot and hope thats some talks are being worked on to say the least. Gomes and Kalish worry me a lil i would like to give Kalish the majority of the playing time over Gomes because he may have more potential than Gomes considering his age and potentail upside. Also another player who could play first would make us all rest a lil easier, plus banking that napoli who i think if signed will put up big numbers in Fenway IF healthy and that seems to be more and more of an IF the longer this deal last on with no signing. So has anyone heard anything about any talks involving other candidates to serve as protection?

 

Ortiz will play 1B in interleague and im fine with that we need his bat in the lineup but a platoon of Salty and Gomez if the deal falls through and players like Morse and Jones out there will surely be the end of Cherry.

[seabeachfred]

Ortiz will probably get a few games at 1B with all the inter league play this year. But I agree with spitball in that it's too risky to put Ortiz out there even at a semi regular basis. Anything more then 10-15 games and I'm getting nervous. He's too important for the offense as things stand currently. That and his age will warrant some protection.

 

Papi will have to play first a few games at any rate when we play in NL parks, but to risk injury to one of our few authentic power hitters is insane. Just trade for Morse or Morneau and cut this stupid nonsense out. Aside from front office pom pom wavers User and MVP, most of the rest of know a platoon of Salty and Gomez is a recipe for both offensive and defensive disaster, not to mention that neither has ever been lauded for their baseball brains.

[seabeachfred]

Ortiz will probably get a few games at 1B with all the inter league play this year. But I agree with spitball in that it's too risky to put Ortiz out there even at a semi regular basis. Anything more then 10-15 games and I'm getting nervous. He's too important for the offense as things stand currently. That and his age will warrant some protection.

 

Papi will have to play first a few games at any rate when we play in NL parks, but to risk injury to one of our few authentic power hitters is insane. Just trade for Morse or Morneau and cut this stupid nonsense out. Aside from front office pom pom wavers User and MVP, most of the rest of know a platoon of Salty and Gomez is a recipe for both offensive and defensive disaster, not to mention that neither has ever been lauded for their baseball smarts.

[Lucienbel]

With the reports this morning of Napoli still in talkss to sign and every analyst saying that this deal will happen, are there any reports saying that the red sox on in talkss with anyone else to play first. I did look at the minor league splits on Gomez and Cherry sends to think he has upside but i would like another option to come in that could play some outfield and firstbase. Garret Jones or Micheal Morse are two that i like alot and hope thats some talks are being worked on to say the least. Gomes and Kalish worry me a lil i would like to give Kalish the majority of the playing time over Gomes because he may have more potential than Gomes considering his age and potentail upside. Also another player who could play first would make us all rest a lil easier, plus banking that napoli who i think if signed will put up big numbers in Fenway IF healthy and that seems to be more and more of an IF the longer this deal last on with no signing. So has anyone heard anything about any talks involving other candidates to serve as protection?

 

Ortiz will play 1B in interleague and im fine with that we need his bat in the lineup but a platoon of Salty and Gomez if the deal falls through and players like Morse and Jones out there will surely be the end of Cherry.

 

Not hearing any serious talks on anyone. They've inquired on Morse, not sure to what ends. Cafardo was saying they did talk about Garrett Jones with the Pirates but the Pirates held him to a lot of value, so it sounds like they're probably out on him if that report is true.

[BSN07]

Not hearing any serious talks on anyone. They've inquired on Morse, not sure to what ends. Cafardo was saying they did talk about Garrett Jones with the Pirates but the Pirates held him to a lot of value, so it sounds like they're probably out on him if that report is true.

 

There's no telling who becomes available in ST and on up to the deadline as well.

[User Name]

Papi will have to play first a few games at any rate when we play in NL parks, but to risk injury to one of our few authentic power hitters is insane. Just trade for Morse or Morneau and cut this stupid nonsense out. Aside from front office pom pom wavers User and MVP, most of the rest of know a platoon of Salty and Gomez is a recipe for both offensive and defensive disaster, not to mention that neither has ever been lauded for their baseball brains.

 

I'm warning up to the idea of Gomez just to piss you off because you're such an insufferable whiney douche. Any idea where I can buy a Mauro Gomez Jersey?

[mvp 78]

I'm warning up to the idea of Gomez just to piss you off because you're such an insufferable whiney douche. Any idea where I can buy a Mauro Gomez Jersey?

 

http://www.majesticathletic.com/Boston-Red-Sox-T-Shirt-Any-Player-Cooperstown-Name-and-Number-T-Shirt-_1761113955_PD.html

 

You can get a Tuck or Britton jersey here. Might have to personalize one on your own?

[BSN07]

Do I smell a Gomez avatar?

[dupree]

I wished we still had Rizzo but to get the AGon deal done he had to be involved in that trade. Hindsight is 20/20 but it would been nice to have him now and then this 1B controvers would not being going on. I thought AGon would been here for a decade just like alot of posters on here. I wondering how his shoulder issue did not have the hang ups in the contractual languge like the JD Drew and Mike Napoli deals have lingered on on and on. The medical doctors in my observation would had to think AGon's shoulder might caused a lack of power which ultimately happened. I know. They were looking at a salary dump but still you would of thought they had a plan to aquire a big bat to fill in at firstbase.

 

I also remember that we had Lars Anderson i dont know much bout him how did he get away from our farm system i cant remember want happened to cause him to leave the red sox.

[Bellhorn04]

I also remember that we had Lars Anderson i dont know much bout him how did he get away from our farm system i cant remember want happened to cause him to leave the red sox.

 

He was traded to Cleveland for knuckleballer Steven Wright.

[dupree]

He was traded to Cleveland for knuckleballer Steven Wright.

 

Ok thank ya.

 

I just hope a resolution for the 1B postition gets resolved soon.

[jung]

I think AGons slipped under the med radar because he already had his surgery. Although in hindsight the Sox should have considered whether giving a guy all the money made sense when he had not played a single inning of ball post op at that point.

 

Hey they wanted the player. The Sox were paying through the nose for pieces they thought would complete the puzzle and the went kinda' crazy with it. Don't think they much considered whether the pieces they were choosing were a fit....think they just looked to much at the numbers and wanted to take the shot at inserting those numbers into the Sox lineup. To me, they did not end up with a team...just a conglomeration of numbers.

[Dojji]

I'd bet money that the team gives Bryce Brentz reps at first base this year. It'd be a pity to squander his arm there longterm, but there are definitely worse short term solutions and they did the same thing with Brandon Moss back in the day. If he can hack it at all defensively he immediately becomes our best 1B prospect and gets an easier path to the bigs, so he should be motivated.

 

If only for the sake of giving themselves options, it's one move they absolutely need to be making.

[dupree]

I think AGons slipped under the med radar because he already had his surgery. Although in hindsight the Sox should have considered whether giving a guy all the money made sense when he had not played a single inning of ball post op at that point.

 

Hey they wanted the player. The Sox were paying through the nose for pieces they thought would complete the puzzle and the went kinda' crazy with it. Don't think they much considered whether the pieces they were choosing were a fit....think they just looked to much at the numbers and wanted to take the shot at inserting those numbers into the Sox lineup. To me, they did not end up with a team...just a conglomeration of numbers.

 

Agree. They went and spent like crazy and now it has come back to bit us. We went one year of signing Mike Cameron and John Lackey and then backed it up with a trade for agon and a signing of carl crawford( a singing i never understand) but maybe a clubhouse full of good clubhouse guys will prove us to be the oakland a's of the east but our pitching is gonna hinder us unless farrell can bring the rotation back to the form of old.. we can hope but i would rather have guys with numbers and be s***** people off the field. Who win us games than good hearted guys with good values and lose 80+ games.

 

It is a definite wait and see for this year and i hope im wrong and everything works out but as in like the daniel bard situation to getting back to a awesome relief should pitcher im not holding my breath.

[seabeachfred]

I'm warning up to the idea of Gomez just to piss you off because you're such an insufferable whiney douche. Any idea where I can buy a Mauro Gomez Jersey?

 

Whiney douche? Getting personal numbnuts? Fine, if that's the way you want it. I can read you like a book User. You simply cannot bring yourself to take any kind of stand against the Red Sox party line because you're a brown nosed apologist and I almost wish (almost, that is) that the team goes into the tank just to see you flee the board like the gutless wonder you are. The only reason you are for Gomez has nothing to do with me; it has to do with the fact that the front office might support his playing first base. If suddenly they changed course and got a first baseman worth his salt you would reverse course and march straight in line like the worthless wooden soldier you are.

 

Do yourself a favor and put me on ignore. You're not worth my time. Kiss assers never have been and you are among the worst around.

[seabeachfred]

I'd bet money that the team gives Bryce Brentz reps at first base this year. It'd be a pity to squander his arm there longterm, but there are definitely worse short term solutions and they did the same thing with Brandon Moss back in the day. If he can hack it at all defensively he immediately becomes our best 1B prospect and gets an easier path to the bigs, so he should be motivated.

 

If only for the sake of giving themselves options, it's one move they absolutely need to be making.

 

I wonder if the Red Sox front office has even given that some consideration because I think the idea has real merit Dojii. Brentz is a RH power hitter and supposedly a good enough athlete to make the switch. It worked for Millar back in 2003. It is clear to most people here save a few front office pom pom wavers that Mauro Gomez is a bad scene either for the short term and most certainly for the long term. I get the impression also that for some reason the Sox are reluctant to make that move for Morse. Possibly the risk averse Cherington is once again living up to his worst instincts. You would think something positive has to break pretty soon.

[Spitball]

It worked for Millar back in 2003.

 

Please be fair in your posts and check your facts, Fred. Kevin Millar played only 30 minor league games in the outfield. He played 683 minor league games as an infielder.

 

It is one thing to be opinionated, but it is another thing to be completely wrong and expressing it as a fact.

[BSN07]

I'd bet money that the team gives Bryce Brentz reps at first base this year. It'd be a pity to squander his arm there longterm, but there are definitely worse short term solutions and they did the same thing with Brandon Moss back in the day. If he can hack it at all defensively he immediately becomes our best 1B prospect and gets an easier path to the bigs, so he should be motivated.

 

If only for the sake of giving themselves options, it's one move they absolutely need to be making.

 

Interesting thought Dojji, it's something that they could very well to take a look at if no one else is brought in. Would be a bummer to waste his arm. Dudes got a hose for an arm. But if he holds his own with the bat they could always move him back to the OF in 2014. He's no guarantee, but could be worth a shot.

[BSN07]

Free agent right-hander Jair Jurrjens told Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports that he feels good physically and has begun throwing bullpens (Twitter link).

 

Ok, this seems like he was rehabbing. I wonder if he had the knee worked on? Explains why we haven't herd much on him yet as he is just starting to throw. I'm still hoping the Sox snag him on a minor league deal.

[dupree]

Ok, this seems like he was rehabbing. I wonder if he had the knee worked on? Explains why we haven't herd much on him yet as he is just starting to throw. I'm still hoping the Sox snag him on a minor league deal.

 

I hope we get him on a minor league deal too. Marcum has been discussed as coming in from some of the posters on here and i think he would be a nice piece to protect Lackey if his return from TJ has went slower thaan normal.

 

I just dont want someone like Marcum to block a prospect from a spot in the rotation on spot starts. If in ST any of the kids show promise let them pitch, if we are indeed in a bridge year let them log some innings and see what they got.

[BSN07]

idk either but every time I read it I laugh

 

 

Totally making a movement from this day forward anyone considered to be an absolute FO homer/apologist be known as a "Honk" can I get this seconded please

 

In all fairness we need to come up with a name for an individual that is at the other end of the spectrum too. I think for people in the middle we will just call them the "greys"

[SoxSport]

All the pitchers available right now except maybe Lohse are about the same level as what the Red Sox already have. And Lohse may be a NL pitcher, as Marcum probably is. Plus the Sox no longer have any luxury cap space unless they ditch Napoli--if you follow Speier's articles. That, by the way, is another factor that makes the Napoli decision so important. They have no salary space committing $13 mil to a guy who has a chance of breaking down this year. If they need to do something, they have to trade salary to do it.Probably Ellsbury.

 

So by respending themselves back up to the luxury cap, they have boxed themselves in again-though nearer term than previously. Their only hope is their core players bounce back. The FAs they signed are not players of high impact, and the middle part of their lineup is missing an impact hitter. Remember the days of Ortiz-Manny? They made the difference in the lineup. It hasn't been the same since Manny left.Too bad they didn't see that need when Hamilton was available.

[Dojji]

Ok, this seems like he was rehabbing. I wonder if he had the knee worked on? Explains why we haven't herd much on him yet as he is just starting to throw. I'm still hoping the Sox snag him on a minor league deal.

 

I want Jair Jurrjens. He was the real thing when he came up. Electrifying stuff. I was flabberghasted when the Tigers traded that kid.

[BSN07]

I want Jair Jurrjens. He was the real thing when he came up. Electrifying stuff. I was flabberghasted when the Tigers traded that kid.

 

Ya I'm hoping the Sox get him as well.

[Lucienbel]

I want Jair Jurrjens. He was the real thing when he came up. Electrifying stuff. I was flabberghasted when the Tigers traded that kid.

 

Also agreed. He's still at an age where he could potentially bounce back and be awesome too. One of my favorite pitching matchups of recent memory was him v. Cueto back in a 2011 regular season game. Great game to watch. He could potentially end up becoming a great steal.

[a700hitter]

Please be fair in your posts and check your facts, Fred. Kevin Millar played only 30 minor league games in the outfield. He played 683 minor league games as an infielder.

 

It is one thing to be opinionated, but it is another thing to be completely wrong and expressing it as a fact.

In the 2 years prior to obtaining him, Millar almost exclusively played the OF.

[Palodios]

Is anyone concerned about the lack of minor league signings that the Red Sox have made over the last month?

 

It feels like they are fine with the depth that they have, but I feel like they need more depth in corner outfield spots, the rotation and at first base-- even if Napoli does sign.

[BSN07]

Is anyone concerned about the lack of minor league signings that the Red Sox have made over the last month?

 

It feels like they are fine with the depth that they have, but I feel like they need more depth in corner outfield spots, the rotation and at first base-- even if Napoli does sign.

I think overall the minor league market has been kind of slow. There still so many ML free agents. I think you will see a flurry of minor league deals leading right up to and into ST. That and does the Sox system have a lot of room? I honestly don't know.