What's next for Daniel Bard?

[FredLynn]

Bard had another disaster outing tonight. A couple of hits' date=' a couple of HBP, a couple of wild pitches. You couldn't make this s*** up.[/quote']

 

I thought from the beginning that they may have ruined him. Unfortunately that is turning out to be true, at least so far.

[iortiz]

Let him rest... It's clear that his mind is not ok...send him to therapy or something, this is not about baseball anymore in his case IMO.

[jung]

Bard could go the hypnotism route. Then we would find him standing idly on the mound one game and needing to be escorted back to the dugout like that Mets pitcher decades ago.

[a700hitter]

I am starting to think that those who said he was toast are turning out to be right.

[FredLynn]

I am starting to think that those who said he was toast are turning out to be right.

 

He might make it back next year in some capacity. I don't believe that he will be the "lights out" 8th inning guy ever again. Our FO saw to that.

[seabeachfred]

He's done guys....pure and simple. He is never going to be the same pitcher he was or could have been. For that alone Cherington should be fired, though there is enough to prove his incompetence to have him canned dozens more. Just think for a moment just how far our team has fallen in less than five years. We are now the butt of jokes, a laughing stock, and an abomination as a baseball team.

 

We should start dumping malcontents like Ortiz, Beckett and other cancers on the club so not to infect our young and upcoming players. Both Papi and Beckett could b ring us some decent prospects in exchange. There are three or four teams I think that would jump at the chance to get one of those players. After this season it will too late. The rebuilding has to begin now because we are through this year......done, finished, nada, nein, nyet, no mas.

[SCM33]

He's done guys....pure and simple. He is never going to be the same pitcher he was or could have been. For that alone Cherington should be fired' date='[/b'] though there is enough to prove his incompetence to have him canned dozens more. Just think for a moment just how far our team has fallen in less than five years. We are now the butt of jokes, a laughing stock, and an abomination as a baseball team.

 

We should start dumping malcontents like Ortiz, Beckett and other cancers on the club so not to infect our young and upcoming players. Both Papi and Beckett could b ring us some decent prospects in exchange. There are three or four teams I think that would jump at the chance to get one of those players. After this season it will too late. The rebuilding has to begin now because we are through this year......done, finished, nada, nein, nyet, no mas.

 

Its not BC's fault. Hes the general manager in name/title only.

 

Much of this is Bard's fault as well. The experiment from day 1 was a failure. When the sox were looking for a closer in the first 10 games of the year, Bard should have stepped up when it looked like he wouldn't even be a #4 or #5 starter (which many of you argued with me about during the offseason).

 

Instead, he cared only about the big payday he had coming his way if the transition was successful.

[jung]

Geez you guys keep making excusing for why he was not closing while ignoring the obvious....he was not closing because the Sox no longer believed he could close. I suspect they have done a good deal wrong here but I suspect they were right on that one.

[SCM33]

Geez you guys keep making excusing for why he was not closing while ignoring the obvious....he was not closing because the Sox no longer believed he could close. I suspect they have done a good deal wrong here but I suspect they were right on that one.

 

I didn't say he could close. What I said is that it showed something about his character and intentions.

 

Nobody said he had the balls to close, because he never did.

[BornToRun]

How long has it been since we sent him down?

 

Jesus f***ing Christ. It's not gonna happen instantly.

[example1]

How long has it been since we sent him down?

 

Jesus f***ing Christ. It's not gonna happen instantly.

 

Oh, you didn't get the notice? You didn't read the posts above? It has already not happened. It's all over the message board. Bard has already not come back to where he might one day come back to, so he will never do it.

 

Also, the bird is the word.

[jung]

I think Bard will be back next year as a middle reliever or he will end up in some sort of a "change of scenery" trade to a team that is going to take a shot with him based on the potential he showed earlier in his career.

 

Being part of a trade might be the best thing for him really as coming back to Boston even next year might be tough for him.

[example1]

I think Bard will be back next year as a middle reliever or he will end up in some sort of a "change of scenery" trade to a team that is going to take a shot with him based on the potential he showed earlier in his career.

 

Being part of a trade might be the best thing for him really as coming back to Boston even next year might be tough for him.

 

If I were another team I would LOVE for the Sox to send me Bard. Somewhat cost-controlled, power arm, recent mlb dominance, currently struggling due to mechanical issues that could be predicted by a radical change to his role?

 

Sox should try to deal him.

[Bellhorn04]

If I were another team I would LOVE for the Sox to send me Bard. Somewhat cost-controlled, power arm, recent mlb dominance, currently struggling due to mechanical issues that could be predicted by a radical change to his role?

 

Sox should try to deal him.

 

I can't remember too many similar cases to what Bard is going through. It appears very serious to me. He seems to have totally lost the plate. The only other examples I can think of are Steve Blass and Rick Ankiel. For both of them it was the end of their pitching careers.

 

Can you think of anybody who went through this and came back successfully?

[Bellhorn04]

This complete loss of control is actually referred to now by some as 'Steve Blass Disease'. In golf its called 'the yips'.

[jacksonianmarch]

I can't remember too many similar cases to what Bard is going through. It appears very serious to me. He seems to have totally lost the plate. The only other examples I can think of are Steve Blass and Rick Ankiel. For both of them it was the end of their pitching careers.

 

Can you think of anybody who went through this and came back successfully?

 

Daniel Bard, in the minors. The problem was, at the time, he was a hungry kid who they tweaked and changed into a lights out pen arm. Now, they seem to just be throwing him out there to the wolves. It's time to give him a mental break.

[SemperFi Sox]

Joba 2.0

 

nice job FO, the kid had the tools to be a dominant reliever.

[iortiz]

Daniel Bard' date=' in the minors. The problem was, at the time, he was a hungry kid who they tweaked and changed into a lights out pen arm. Now, they seem to just be throwing him out there to the wolves. [b']It's time to give him a mental break[/b].

 

This.

[example1]

Yep, shut him down, have him do Arizona Fall league or something, and keep fingers crossed.

 

Not sure there are other examples of players like this... Charlie Sheen in Major League.

 

Ankiel is probably only case I remember recently.

 

They need to have him spend the off season with bob tewksbury. Maybe go to the woods and throw stones, pine cones, etc working his way back slowly. Fortunately there is time with him.

[FredLynn]

Its not BC's fault. Hes the general manager in name/title only.

 

Much of this is Bard's fault as well. The experiment from day 1 was a failure. When the sox were looking for a closer in the first 10 games of the year, Bard should have stepped up when it looked like he wouldn't even be a #4 or #5 starter (which many of you argued with me about during the offseason).

 

Instead, he cared only about the big payday he had coming his way if the transition was successful.

 

Its at least half Lucchino's fault. Both LL and Cherington need to be fired for this franchise to move forward. Left to their own devices more promising players will be screwed up.

In Bard's situation, the following rule pertains: "If it ain't broken, don't fix it".

[mvp 78]

JH: "Larry runs the Red Sox."

 

He's going nowhere.

[FredLynn]

JH: "Larry runs the Red Sox."

 

He's going nowhere.

 

Not yet. If the fans become apathetic and don't show up at the games Lucchino is history. Can't happen soon enough.

[Elktonnick]

JH: "Larry runs the Red Sox."

 

He's going nowhere.

 

I never believed that for a second. I think the whole FO is dysfunctional with clearly divided lines of authority. The whole organization is set up with competing power centers. A general manager who doesn't get to pick the on field manager, the on field manager who doesn't get to pick his coaches, an on the field manager who doesn't have sole authority on either the 25 man roster, the lineup or the batting order, two pitching coaches, players deciding whether they go on the DL, no wonder this team is playing below its potential.

[a700hitter]

I think Fred might have been right about this guy being cooked.

 

Daniel Bard’s ERA for Pawtucket rose to 8.31 (in 16 appearances) Monday night as he allowed two runs in one inning. He allowed two hits, including a two-run homer, and also walked one and threw a wild pitch . .

[Bellhorn04]

I think Fred might have been right about this guy being cooked.

 

Fred doesn't have any insight into this that the rest of us don't have. Fred also pronounced Ortiz cooked back when he had his big slump.

 

This is not promising news on Bard to say the least. Can only hope he rediscovers it somehow.

[a700hitter]

Fred doesn't have any insight into this that the rest of us don't have. Fred also pronounced Ortiz cooked back when he had his big slump.

 

This is not promising news on Bard to say the least. Can only hope he rediscovers it somehow.

I didn't say anything about his insight, but rather that he looks to have been right.

[Bellhorn04]

I didn't say anything about his insight' date=' but rather that he looks to have been right.[/quote']

 

A lot of people on this thread have been saying Bard is cooked. I thought when you referenced Fred in particular it was for a reason.

[a700hitter]

A lot of people on this thread have been saying Bard is cooked. I thought when you referenced Fred in particular it was for a reason.

He is the first one that I know on TalKSox to "stick a fork" in him. He got a lot of guff over that. I figured that it would take some time for him to get back, but it looks like the kid is completely lost.

[Bellhorn04]

He is the first one that I know on TalKSox to "stick a fork" in him. He got a lot of guff over that.

 

Fred is often the first guy with the fork ready.

[lospunchados]

I can't remember too many similar cases to what Bard is going through. It appears very serious to me. He seems to have totally lost the plate. The only other examples I can think of are Steve Blass and Rick Ankiel. For both of them it was the end of their pitching careers.

 

Can you think of anybody who went through this and came back successfully?

 

That Roy Halladay guy, he ended up being all right. He came up did well, got shelled in 2000 sent down and was wild and bad in the minors the whole rest of that year. he figured it out, it just took time.