Schill's video company in trouble

[a700hitter]

Ya think?

 

It must be killing him ....media people asking questions that he can't or doesn't want to answer. Not being able to step out onto a stage to make his presence/ point of view known. Hiding behind little comments on Facebook. That is all so unCurtlike.

Which is why the hostility aimed a Schill from Red Sox fans is bizarre and irrational. I'm not sure what people are mad about. The guy went into a business venture that he apparently worked very hard to make successful, but it flopped. People are angry at him about that? That makes no sense.

[Dirt Schilling]

Which is why the hostility aimed a Schill from Red Sox fans is bizarre and irrational. I'm not sure what people are mad about. The guy went into a business venture that he apparently worked very hard to make successful' date=' but it flopped. People are angry at him about that? That makes no sense.[/quote']

 

I don't get it either. And why is this in the Talk Sox section?

[example1]

I suspect the whole situation is very embarrassing for someone as proud as Schilling. I have many thoughts on the whole thing, but this board sucks when it gets political so we'll keep it at that.

 

I have no ill-will toward the guy and don't wish public humiliation on anyone.

[mvp 78]

Which is why the hostility aimed a Schill from Red Sox fans is bizarre and irrational. I'm not sure what people are mad about. The guy went into a business venture that he apparently worked very hard to make successful' date=' but it flopped. People are angry at him about that? That makes no sense.[/quote']

 

Curt has enough capital to make payroll. He clearly didn't care enough about the human beings involved if he can't front payroll and insurance payments or at least give adequate notice. To do what the company did this week is pretty low. I have more affinity towards the hard working people of RI than for a former baseball player.

 

You've already said that Curt will always be right because of 04 and 07. To me, that's much more bizarre and irrational than anything else.

[a700hitter]

Curt has enough capital to make payroll. He clearly didn't care enough about the human beings involved if he can't front payroll and insurance payments or at least give adequate notice. To do what the company did this week is pretty low. I have more affinity towards the hard working people of RI than for a former baseball player.

 

You've already said that Curt will always be right because of 04 and 07. To me, that's much more bizarre and irrational than anything else.

We really don't know Curt's capital situation. Also, there is no indication that the employees were not paid for the time they worked at the venture. There is no obligation moral or otherwise to pay people after they have stopped performing service for you, nor is there any obligation to pay health insurance premiums for people after they have been discharged, except for federally imposed COBRA subsidies. These people didn't devote entire careers to this venture. It flopped rather quickly. If you favor a regulatory system where the employer has to pay these types of benefits, you would have an environment where no one would take this type of risk. Most ventures fail. If you subject the entrepreneur to personal liability for ongoing employee expenses after the venture has gone bust, people will not take those risks. If this venture had been successful, those employees would have been in on the ground floor of something that could have made them a lot of money. They took a risk too. If they wanted job security, a startup software development firm is not a good choice. Curt owes the employees nothing, and no, I don't feel sorry for them. They got paid to do a job, and now the job no longer exists.

 

As to your last point, it would be a good point, except it lacks context. Let me be more precise. I only care about baseball players for what they do on the field. What they do in their personal lives doesn't matter to me. Nothing in their personal lives would change my opinion of a player, because I really only care about how they played. I don't know them as individuals, so I am not going to pass judgment on them. Those who are criticizing him don't know him as a person or all his charitable work, so they shouldn't be condemning him either. Is Curt always right? I don' t know and I don't care, and anyone that thinks they know whether Curt has been right or wrong based on some press reports is sadly mistaken.

[jung]

Well the business sector that Schill decided on is a very risky business sector. I do think if anything, his enthusiasm for gaming generally and things he thought would appeal to other gamers simply outstripped whatever business sense he does have.

 

I also think there is a likelihood that Schill sort of overlaid onto highly technical engineering exercises the same sort of thinking that make sense to him in baseball. You have the most talented pitcher, you put him on the mound in a position to succeed and more times than not he will succeed. However it is not that way in either business or engineering. Schill may well have set the bar at a level that even very talented software engineers could not reach....something pretty foreign to Schill I would bet.

 

I don't think you can really go farther than that as far as Schill is concerned. Now as for the people that are business professionals and people that are making decisions governing millions of dollars, to the extent that they let the glow that surrounds most professional athletes get in the way of good business sense, that is on them. Maybe there was little opportunity for Schill to know better but you cannot start a venture like this without people that should know better being involved.

 

Now there is some new information today that would suggest that the State is bailing on Schill as they must now think that they look foolish for having supported such a risky venture and want to try to get outta' this or at least out of the public eye ASAP.

 

I doubt the end game here is going to be anything but ugly and you would have thought that this business venture would not have even gotten this far if people that should have known better had put a set of brakes or training wheels on Schills enthusiasm.

[mvp 78]

Employees were not and have not yet been paid the 5/15 payroll. They continued to work through yesterday. As claimaints against 38 Studios that do have the right to obtain a limited amount for past due wages. However, it just seems shady that Schill put $4M in only to have it paid out of the state funds later on. You're right, I don't truly know his finances and my thoughts are purely conjecture.

 

It's sad for all involved. I know Schill was really relying on the next game "Copernicus" to make the company successfull. Too bad they couldn't make it that far.

[a700hitter]

Employees were not and have not yet been paid the 5/15 payroll. They continued to work through yesterday. As claimaints against 38 Studios that do have the right to obtain a limited amount for past due wages. However, it just seems shady that Schill put $4M in only to have it paid out of the state funds later on. You're right, I don't truly know his finances and my thoughts are purely conjecture.

 

It's sad for all involved. I know Schill was really relying on the next game "Copernicus" to make the company successfull. Too bad they couldn't make it that far.

Any unpaid payroll for services rendered will have the highest priority if there is an eventual bankruptcy. It is a sad situation, but businesses fail every day. They gave it a shot. It didn't work. They probably made mistakes and they probably did a lot of things well too. In the end it didn't work out for anyone, which is why the hostility aimed a Schill from Red Sox fans who don't know the facts is bizarre and irrational. I can understand Yankee fans piling on him, because he tore out their beating hearts and ate it twice.

[mvp 78]

Payroll has a lesser priority than secured claimants (if there are any). They may not be repaid in full and I believe their claims are limited to about $12k per person. IRS and general business claims have a lesser claim than payroll.

[a700hitter]

Payroll has a lesser priority than secured claimants (if there are any). They may not be repaid in full and I believe their claims are limited to about $12k per person. IRS and general business claims have a lesser claim than payroll.

The employees wages (up to 12K) may be delayed, but they will be paid unless there are no assets. Employees who make more than $12k in a payroll period will not generate a lot of sympathy from anyone.

[mvp 78]

The employees wages (up to 12K) may be delayed' date=' but they will be paid unless there are no assets. Employees who make more than $12k in a payroll period will not generate a lot of sympathy from anyone.[/quote']

 

Yep

[seabeachfred]

The employees wages (up to 12K) may be delayed' date=' but they will be paid unless there are no assets. Employees who make more than $12k in a payroll period will not generate a lot of sympathy from anyone.[/quote']

 

Curt should do all in his power to pay off his employees because they worked the time and should get their dime. Ripping them off out of salary is sleezy and for that I think Schilling will do the right thing, but you are spot-on with one thing you said my friend. It is almost irrational the way some people around here and elsewhere on boards seem to love to give Curt a large ration of s***. All I remember is that he risked his career and no doubt shortened it to save his team's ass in 2004, and if memory serves me right we had two WS Titles in the four years he pitched for us and won some big games for us in that last title years.

 

I'll tell you also was irrational and irritating as hell. We have people moaning and groaning over the way Wakefield and Varitek were "shown the door" after a few fruitless last seasons, but for Schilling there seems to be only contempt. It is politics in my opinion Ted and since mine and his are pretty much in tune maybe my bias in favor of the guy has something to do with politics as well. I would like most to believe it was mostly because of those two WS Titles he helped us win because that's the main reason why.

[User Name]

I don't get the Schilling hate. He tried to start a video game business, the local gov't backed him up, and it went under, as so many other businesses do. No big deal. Who's to say the employees won't receive their benefits soon?

 

Also, for what it's worth, i played through Kingdoms of Amalur and it's a pretty good game.

[VA Sox Fan]

I don't get the Schilling hate. He tried to start a video game business' date=' the local gov't backed him up, and it went under, as so many other businesses do. No big deal. Who's to say the employees won't receive their benefits soon?[/b']

Also, for what it's worth, i played through Kingdoms of Amalur and it's a pretty good game.

 

Thank you. The hate comes from him being so opinionated and outspoken. But I truly believe the majority of it comes from him being a Republican.

 

I hope and believe that before this is all said and done, that the employees will receive the payment they deserve. I really hope so.

[a700hitter]

Thank you. The hate comes from him being so opinionated and outspoken. But I truly believe the majority of it comes from him being a Republican.

 

I hope and believe that before this is all said and done, that the employees will receive the payment they deserve. I really hope so.

It's even worse because he is an avowed Conservative and a devout Christian-- the two groups against which persecution and bullying through mockery is considered cool in today's society.

[VA Sox Fan]

It's even worse because he is an avowed Conservative and a devout Christian-- the two groups against which persecution and bullying through mockery is considered cool in today's society.

 

You're right. Being Conservative and Christian in some eyes is equal to being a child molester. It's unreal. The Liberal media is helping to attempt to ruin this country.

[mvp 78]

You're right. Being Conservative and Christian in some eyes is equal to being a child molester. It's unreal. The Liberal media is helping to attempt to ruin this country.

 

Tinfoil hat.

[a700hitter]

You're right. Being Conservative and Christian in some eyes is equal to being a child molester. It's unreal. The Liberal media is helping to attempt to ruin this country.

The Press cheers on this abhorrent behavior. Think of all the flap caused by a mediocre QB Tebow because of his kneeling on one knee. Athletes have been thanking the God, Jesus and Allah for 50 years, but it had never before caused such controversy. Tebow's acts were somehow harmful to society and a violation of Church and State. The reason why is caused so much controversy? He and his mom had the effrontery to do a PSA for Right to Life during the Super Bowl two years ago. He will be a target for the rest of his life.

[a700hitter]

Tinfoil hat.

The tinfoil hats are those who fear that the Christians will take over the government and force everyone to go to church and worship the baby Jesus.

[mvp 78]

The tinfoil hats are those who fear that the Christians will take over the government and force everyone to go to church and worship the baby Jesus.

 

The problem with America is the proliferation of tinfoil hats and the lack of regulation in the tinfoil industry as a whole. When Clinton deregulated the industry in the mid 90's (due to a substantial donation from Reynolds) it was the beginning of the end.

[a700hitter]

The problem with America is the proliferation of tinfoil hats and the lack of regulation in the tinfoil industry as a whole. When Clinton deregulated the industry in the mid 90's (due to a substantial donation from Reynolds) it was the beginning of the end.

It's the way the politicians can control the masses-- make them fear some boogeyman. It's worked very well for them, so Why stop now.

[VA Sox Fan]

Tinfoil hat.

 

Does that mean you are selling them or wearing one?

[VA Sox Fan]

The Press cheers on this abhorrent behavior. Think of all the flap caused by a mediocre QB Tebow because of his kneeling on one knee. Athletes have been thanking the God' date=' Jesus and Allah for 50 years, but it had never before caused such controversy. Tebow's acts were somehow harmful to society and a violation of Church and State. The reason why is caused so much controversy? He and his mom had the effrontery to do a PSA for Right to Life during the Super Bowl two years ago. He will be a target for the rest of his life.[/quote']

 

Yep. Some people don't like him because they think he sucks or is overated. Most hate him because he's a Christian and proud of it.

 

So far, he walks the walk and talks the talk. I give the boy props. And I'm not the most religious person. By Far.

[SoxSport]

let's keep the politics where it belongs--elsewhere. administrators take note.

[NCPack2889]

I really think people hate Schilling because of his personality. Josh Hamilton is a devout Christian and no one hates him for that.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

What a surprise, conservatives whining about being attacked and hated, and "liberals" controlling everything. Everyday it's the same crap from these people. Maybe there is a damn good reason they keep constantly getting "attacked"...

 

No one wants to hear America's most privileged demographic bitch and moan about how bad they supposedly have it. This is a freakin baseball forum.

[a700hitter]

What a surprise, conservatives whining about being attacked and hated, and "liberals" controlling everything. Everyday it's the same crap from these people. Maybe there is a damn good reason they keep constantly getting "attacked"...

 

No one wants to hear America's most privileged demographic bitch and moan about how bad they supposedly have it. This is a freakin baseball forum.

You just believe in a different boogeyman. You have a tinfoil hat of another color. "Most privileged demographic"? Do they live by a separate set of rules? Do you see how ridiculous that is?

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I really think people hate Schilling because of his personality. Josh Hamilton is a devout Christian and no one hates him for that.

 

Seriously, this. I never really hear people talk about Schilling and his personal beliefs, and many don't care about it. People don't like Schilling for his annoying personality.

 

Just like with Tebow. No one cares that he is a Christian. He just has an irritating personality. His irritating personality is just exacerbated by his religiousness. I don't think people have a problem with religion, it's the bringing it up at every turn and that type of s*** that can grind people's gears.

[a700hitter]

Seriously, this. I never really hear people talk about Schilling and his personal beliefs, and many don't care about it. People don't like Schilling for his annoying personality.

 

Just like with Tebow. No one cares that he is a Christian. He just has an irritating personality. His irritating personality is just exacerbated by his religiousness. I don't think people have a problem with religion, it's the bringing it up at every turn and that type of s*** that can grind people's gears.

There are plenty of people with irritating personalities, especially in sports. Can anyone be more annoying than Bobby V? But he is not a national controversy like Tebow. I really don't see how Tebow is so irritating. He is very humble and soft spoken. He is the opposite of Schilling from a personality stand point.

[mvp 78]

Tebow is a national controversy? In what country? Not this one. He's a media darling.

 

I don't believe in boogeymen. The us vs them gag is boring to me. The world isn't black and white, at least not since technicolor was invented.