Schill's video company in trouble

[mvp 78]

Does that mean you are selling them or wearing one?

 

I'm a press and seal kind of guy. Tinfoil is overrated.

[User Name]

This devolved into s*** quickly. The point is that there's no reason to hate on Schilling because he failed on a business venture.

 

Besides, it's true that most people who hate Schill hate him because of his big mouth, not because of his political alliance.

[a700hitter]

Tebow is a national controversy? In what country? Not this one. He's a media darling.

 

I don't believe in boogeymen. The us vs them gag is boring to me. The world isn't black and white, at least not since technicolor was invented.

When there is discussion in the media of banning your celebration, i.e. Tebowing as being a violation of the Separation of Church and State, that is a controversy.

[Dojji]

This devolved into s*** quickly. The point is that there's no reason to hate on Schilling because he failed on a business venture.

 

Besides, it's true that most people who hate Schill hate him because of his big mouth, not because of his political alliance.

 

I'm not so sure that's true. Schill's big mouth would be much less annoying if you happened to agree with it most of the time. I know that because by and large, I do.

 

The problem comes when you're trying to root for laundry, and the guy who wears the laundry holds forth viewpoints -- loudly -- that directly contradict deeply felt political and even moral beliefs. I can imagine old school Christian folks having a similar problem with the Spaceman, for similar reason. In fact without being able to tell you a single anecdote because I wasn't born yet when he pitched, I guarantee it happened.

 

So there ya have it. Schill is the anti-Spaceman, annoying people on the opposite side of the political spectrum, for exactly the same reasons. The only reason people hate the Spaceman less, is because people weren't as touchy and PC back in the 70's

[a700hitter]

I'm not so sure that's true. Schill's big mouth would be much less annoying if you happened to agree with it most of the time. I know that because by and large, I do.

 

The problem comes when you're trying to root for laundry, and the guy who wears the laundry holds forth viewpoints -- loudly -- that directly contradict deeply felt political and even moral beliefs. I can imagine old school Christian folks having a similar problem with the Spaceman, for similar reason. In fact without being able to tell you a single anecdote because I wasn't born yet when he pitched, I guarantee it happened.

 

So there ya have it. Schill is the anti-Spaceman, annoying people on the opposite side of the political spectrum, for exactly the same reasons. The only reason people hate the Spaceman less, is because people weren't as touchy and PC back in the 70's

Good example. You couldn't find two more opposite guys. Yet, I love them both. They are both a bit looney and idiotic in their views, but they wore the right laundry and entertained me. Lee was a Yankee killer, and better yet, a Yankee hater. Schill killed the Yanks dead twice on the big stage- once for us and once for Arizona. I don't care about their beliefs. They are ex-ballplayers. They don't shape policy in this country. Once they left the ball field, they should be irrelevant to us as baseball fans. The truth is you never heard people on the right attacking Bill Lee for his ideas. People on the left in my experience have very thin skin and little tolerance for opposing points of view. Anyone with a different point of view is an enemy of sorts.

 

That's my opinion and the only political statement that I will make today. I've been working in Manhattan for 25 years and I have lived in NY my entire life. I know them well--many are close family members and friends.

[Dojji]

The funny thing is I don't think Yankee fans hate Schilling as much as a certain proportion of left-leaning New Englanders do. Since New England is by and large quite a left leaning region, it tends to create an interesting dynamic regarding the relationship of the fanbase and the one person in the whole danged world they shouldn't be hating. Kinda like Bruins fans and Tim Thomas.

 

The only person who is entitled to more loyalty from us, if ever such a thing existed in New England, is Papi.

[a700hitter]

The funny thing is I don't think Yankee fans hate Schilling as much as a certain proportion of left-leaning New Englanders do. Since New England is by and large quite a left leaning region, it tends to create an interesting dynamic regarding the relationship of the fanbase and the one person in the whole danged world they shouldn't be hating. Kinda like Bruins fans and Tim Thomas.

 

The only person who is entitled to more loyalty from us, if ever such a thing existed in New England, is Papi.

An interesting and true observation.

[mvp 78]

When there is discussion in the media of banning your celebration' date=' i.e. Tebowing as being a violation of the Separation of Church and State, that is a controversy. [/quote']

 

Incident 1: student runs on court after game to Tebow. He was suspended for running onto the court, not for Tebowing.

 

Incident 2: student Tebows at graduation, diploma was withheld by a teacher. The teacher was his mom.

 

Not seeing any controversy. Please site your sources.

[a700hitter]

Incident 1: student runs on court after game to Tebow. He was suspended for running onto the court, not for Tebowing.

 

Incident 2: student Tebows at graduation, diploma was withheld by a teacher. The teacher was his mom.

 

Not seeing any controversy. Please site your sources.

When a player's religion becomes a topic of non sports talk shows and Sunday morning political shows, he is controversial. I don't know why you can't see that.

[BornToRun]

Speaking for the lefties, I have no problems with Christians or conservatives. Just the crazy ones. If I hated all of them, I'd be in a blood feud with several relatives and friends. I have no problem with Tebowing, it's f***ing hilarious.

[Dojji]

a700 is right. Openly Christian players are exposed by and large to more scorn and ridicule than their skill and talent dictates. Tebow is an average quarterback who managed to be just good enough to go on a nice little run in the playoffs behind a very good offense. As far as talent goes, he's a little better than Matt Cassel -- not quite as good with his arm, much better with his feet. if it was about his skill or talent he'd be a blip on the radar. If it was about the playoffs, a lot of teams win one or two playoff games behind a surprising quarterback. If it was about showboating, he could join the club along with the 45 million wideouts who are infamous for it. Again, not worth that level of attention.

 

The fact that he grabbed such media attention is because of his religion, and his lack of fear in expressing his religion openly, thus "contrverisial" is a perfectly valid adjective to describe him.

[mvp 78]

Christian players are exposed to scorn? Guess I forgot how Bill Mueller was run out of town for thanking God in every interview.

 

Christians always believe their faith is under attack. In reality, it's just not the case. It's all a part of the conspiracy theory self righteous attitude that too many people have.

 

If you're a white Christian in this country, you're part of the majority. There's no boogeyman hiding behind the corner trying to get you.

[mvp 78]

When a player's religion becomes a topic of non sports talk shows and Sunday morning political shows' date=' he is controversial. I don't know why you can't see that.[/quote']

 

Sunday talk shows create controversies to talk about. 99% of the country doesn't care about Tebowing.

[Dojji]

Christian players are exposed to scorn? Guess I forgot how Bill Mueller was run out of town for thanking God in every interview.

 

Christians always believe their faith is under attack. In reality, it's just not the case. It's all a part of the conspiracy theory self righteous attitude that too many people have.

 

If you're a white Christian in this country, you're part of the majority. There's no boogeyman hiding behind the corner trying to get you.

 

I think you're living in dreamland a bit. The fact is that no matter how you want to spin it, Tebow's religion was a huge part of how he was perceived -- far more than his skill on the field. Which is exactly what a700 was talking about.

 

And if you think the irrational scorn wasn't there, I want to know whether you watched any TV or listened to any radio over the last 10 months or so.

[User Name]

I'm not so sure that's true. Schill's big mouth would be much less annoying if you happened to agree with it most of the time. I know that because by and large, I do.

 

The problem comes when you're trying to root for laundry, and the guy who wears the laundry holds forth viewpoints -- loudly -- that directly contradict deeply felt political and even moral beliefs. I can imagine old school Christian folks having a similar problem with the Spaceman, for similar reason. In fact without being able to tell you a single anecdote because I wasn't born yet when he pitched, I guarantee it happened.

 

So there ya have it. Schill is the anti-Spaceman, annoying people on the opposite side of the political spectrum, for exactly the same reasons. The only reason people hate the Spaceman less, is because people weren't as touchy and PC back in the 70's

 

Don't buy it. Schilling's problem is being a loudmouth in general. He opines about everything, not only things political in nature. His right-wing tendencies are only exacerbate the problem.

[seabeachfred]

As someone said, what the hell is a topic like this doing on a baseball thread? Schill's business is going belly up. Big efen deal; businesses go under all the time. As long as he can pay his workers back pay there should be no nasty bullcrap coming down the pike. For my part I have a sticker on my car that simply says LIBERALS MAKE ME SICK, and if you don't happen to be one of my few liberal friends it means stay the f*** away from me if you have any inclination to start jabbering about any leftist ********. It works and my three liberal friends respect my feelings and I respect theirs. And no liberals bother me at all.

[mvp 78]

I think you're living in dreamland a bit. The fact is that no matter how you want to spin it, Tebow's religion was a huge part of how he was perceived -- far more than his skill on the field. Which is exactly what a700 was talking about.

 

And if you think the irrational scorn wasn't there, I want to know whether you watched any TV or listened to any radio over the last 10 months or so.

 

People hated Tebow because he was overexposed on ESPN. When it's 24HR coverage of a mediocre QB, people just wanted him to go away. It had nothing to do with religion. It's the same reason people hate Lebron.

 

I thought Tebow would be great for the NFL and he was.

[a700hitter]

I think you're living in dreamland a bit. The fact is that no matter how you want to spin it, Tebow's religion was a huge part of how he was perceived -- far more than his skill on the field. Which is exactly what a700 was talking about.

 

And if you think the irrational scorn wasn't there, I want to know whether you watched any TV or listened to any radio over the last 10 months or so.

Every one is in agreement that he is not an NFL caliber starting QB at this time. About that there is no controversy. The controversy involves the other stuff.

[jacksonianmarch]

Why is this in the Red Sox forum?

[a700hitter]

People hated Tebow because he was overexposed on ESPN. When it's 24HR coverage of a mediocre QB, people just wanted him to go away. It had nothing to do with religion. It's the same reason people hate Lebron.

 

I thought Tebow would be great for the NFL and he was.

I really think you can only speak for yourself on this. Google "Tebow religious controversy" and you will have plenty to read. I think you have your head in the sand on this one. I have never known a mediocre player who was so overexposed by the media. Also, I don't know why fans would hate him for being overexposed. He had no control over that. The reason for the overexposure and the hatred stem from the controversy IMO.

[mvp 78]

Maybe it's the old chicken or egg? Personally, I think people didn't pay much attention to Tebow until it was on ESPN nonstop for weeks. People got tired of it the same way they got tired of all the Favre drama.

 

I honestly don't think people particularly cared about his religious beliefs. It's just more lame stream media stuff, amiright?

[a700hitter]

Maybe it's the old chicken or egg? Personally, I think people didn't pay much attention to Tebow until it was on ESPN nonstop for weeks. People got tired of it the same way they got tired of all the Favre drama.

 

I honestly don't think people particularly cared about his religious beliefs. It's just more lame stream media stuff, amiright?

I agree that the controversy is media created and that football fans by and large don't care about it, but the controversy created by the media was centered around his religion.

[example1]

As someone said' date=' what the hell is a topic like this doing on a baseball thread? Schill's business is going belly up. Big efen deal; businesses go under all the time. As long as he can pay his workers back pay there should be no nasty bullcrap coming down the pike. For my part I have a sticker on my car that simply says LIBERALS MAKE ME SICK, and if you don't happen to be one of my few liberal friends it means stay the f*** away from me if you have any inclination to start jabbering about any leftist ********. It works and my three liberal friends respect my feelings and I respect theirs. And no liberals bother me at all.[/quote']

 

I am shocked that you would have a bumper sticker on your car. Shocked!

[mvp 78]

I agree that the controversy is media created and that football fans by and large don't care about it' date=' but the controversy created by the media was centered around his religion.[/quote']

 

I remember D&C doing a show about Tebow and saying people should ignore his beliefs and hating him was absurd. Every caller I heard said something to the effect of "I don't care about his religion I just don't want him on my tv 24HRs a day."

[BigPapiEnFuego]

If you honestly think Tebow's hate stems from his religion you are delusional. Absolutely delusional. It's all from his over-exposure. It wasn't until he went on that good run and became a starter did the media blow him up and people got sick of him.

 

I have talked to a lot of people about him when he was a big deal and never did I hear his religion mentioned. My group of sports loving friends, most of whom are not religious at all, would talk about how f***ing annoying he is, not about his religion. Even the religious people I know found him to be an irritating prick. All of the hatred came from him being mediocre and forced down people's throat 24/7 combined with his cutesy, cheesy press conferences.

 

If Tim Tebow is getting s*** for being religious then why is Josh Hamilton so loved? Or the countless number of baseball players like David Ortiz who point to the sky after hitting a home run? Or the football players who point to the heavens after a touchdown, who kneel in the endzone before games? Plenty of players are seen kneeling and praying before games, but no one cares. Why? Because they aren't a mediocre talent being plastered on television 24/7 or having an entire sportscenter dedicated to them. They aren't at a podium after their game giving the most vanilla interview and soaking it all in like an attention whore.

 

 

oh and to add, I can't think of one time I witnessed a media report involving Tebow's religion where it was negative. The reports I have seen involving his religion(the few I've seen, and I basically only watch sports related television so that means something...) were always positive.

[a700hitter]

If you honestly think Tebow's hate stems from his religion you are delusional. Absolutely delusional. It's all from his over-exposure. It wasn't until he went on that good run and became a starter did the media blow him up and people got sick of him.

 

And hating him for being overexposed makes sense? He has no control over his coverage at all, so hating him for it is insane. As I said earlier, Google "tebow religious controversy" and you will have plenty to read-- not all of it positive.

[mvp 78]

Google bigfoot. They exist.

[a700hitter]

Google bigfoot. They exist.

Bazinga

[seabeachfred]

I am shocked that you would have a bumper sticker on your car. Shocked!

 

Well EX1, if they're reading this in Japan maybe I'll shock them too. Good retort by the way. I might even put on Casablanca tonight as an inspiration. Hey, how did you like our ninth inning comeback tonight? We haven't done that much lately. I hope it starts a trend.:harhar::harhar::harhar::harhar:

[Dojji]

Well EX1' date=' if they're reading this in Japan maybe I'll shock them too. Good retort by the way. I might even put on Casablanca tonight as an inspiration. Hey, how did you like our ninth inning comeback tonight? We haven't done that much lately. I hope it starts a trend.:harhar::harhar::harhar::harhar:[/quote']

 

I'd rather win in ways somewhat LESS likely to induce a heart attack. My ticker isn't quite what it used to be.