Beckett Questionable to Start the Season

[jung]

Well in all honesty, considering how up in the air the staff in general and the rotation in particular is, I just don't they could have convinced themselves to trade Beckett unless somebody of similar pitching talents came back in return...something of a "change of scenery" deal.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I can live with this post' date=' although I still wanted him out.[/quote']

 

Initially, I wanted him out too. But they just couldn't get equal value on him, so after I cooled off a little, I was against trading him because he really is an integral part of the rotation.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Were you happy with his last 2 starts when he has back to back outings of 6ER when a decent start in either of those games seals it up?

 

Were you happy with his off the field s***?

 

You know what? Nevermind.

 

Just watch this:

Everything will be fine.

 

Lester sucked it up too, not only in his last start but the whole damn month. I don't get what you're getting at here. Beckett doesn't make up the whole pitching staff. I can't possibly see how you can throw this on him. Why you're mentioning his off the antics I don't know but I wasn't satisfied. As a matter of fact, no one was.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Lester sucked it up too' date=' not only in his last start but the whole damn month. I don't get what you're getting at here. Beckett doesn't make up the whole pitching staff. I can't possibly see how you can throw this on him. Why you're mentioning his off the antics I don't know but I wasn't satisfied. As a matter of fact, no one was.[/quote']

 

As Mazz pointed out today (and I hate Mazz), September would have never happened if it wasn't for Beckett and Lester. And not in the bad way. They would have never been able to collapse like that if Beckett and Lester didn't carry the SP last year. The complete and utter ineptitude of the #3-5 starters was mind boggling. All the team needed was for ONE of those guys to step up in September when Beckett and Lester were taking their fall. That's where this team failed.

[jung]

The term "you can never have enough pitching" is based on the premise that it is possible to on occasion go through every arm you have got and still be screwed!

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

As Mazz pointed out today (and I hate Mazz)' date=' September would have never happened if it wasn't for Beckett and Lester. And not in the bad way. They would have never been able to collapse like that if Beckett and Lester didn't carry the SP last year. The complete and utter ineptitude of the #3-5 starters was mind boggling. All the team needed was for ONE of those guys to step up in September when Beckett and Lester were taking their fall. That's where this team failed.[/quote']

 

It shouldn't even have gotten to the September collapse. The Sox should have had the WC with ease.

[BornToRun]

As Mazz pointed out today (and I hate Mazz)' date=' September would have never happened if it wasn't for Beckett and Lester. And not in the bad way. They would have never been able to collapse like that if Beckett and Lester didn't carry the SP last year. The complete and utter ineptitude of the #3-5 starters was mind boggling. All the team needed was for ONE of those guys to step up in September when Beckett and Lester were taking their fall. That's where this team failed.[/quote']

 

Plus, if I remember correctly, Beckett f***ed up his ankle pitching in Toronto early in Septemeber for what it's worth. Bottom line is that Josh gets the blame and not Jon because Lester is a quiet kid from Washington and Beckett is a loudmouth belligerent jerk from Texas so everything has to be his fault, Beckett's personality is what's caught him so much slack, whether it's deserved or not.

[RedSoxNC84]

I was against trading him because he really is an integral part of the rotation.

 

I'm sure if he could Beckett would give that post two thumbs up.

[sleepyhollow]

Shall we say, Two Thumbs Down?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Oh, I c wat u did thur.

[a700hitter]

A third opinion for Beckett. You've got to be kidding me! This is really shaping up great.

Reports: Josh Beckett will be in Cleveland today for another thumb exam

 

WASHINGTON, D.C. — According to multiple reports, starter Josh Beckett will also be in Cleveland today to have his right thumb checked out in what amounts to a third opinion. Beckett was examined by Red Sox doctors already this spring and on Sunday he was examined by a San Antonio doctor. FoxSports was first to report.

 

Dr. Thomas Graham of Cleveland is the same doctor who performed surgery on Kevin Youkilis’ thumb.

 

Closer Andrew Bailey will also be in Cleveland today to be examined by Graham for his own thumb problem.

[TylerD]

Well like i said in another thread it sucks a bit that its against Detroit who has good pitching. I am not expecting us to put up 8 or 9 on this team especially with Verlander pitching. Guess ill have to start training in case they call me up to pitch lol.

[iortiz]

A third opinion? What did the San Antonio doctor say to him?

[MANNYHOF24]

http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/04/03/josh-beckett-cleared-pitch/w9kXAypau8dgt6TMjApVgP/story.html

 

 

Josh Beckett cleared to pitch

Consultation on thumb continues as a precaution

By Peter Abraham | Globe Staff April 03, 2012

 

Beckett went to Cleveland on Tuesday for a second opinion from Dr. Thomas Graham, but that visit was simply a precaution.

 

Barring the unexpected, Beckett will start against the Tigers on Saturday in the Red Sox’ second game of the season.

 

Closer Andrew Bailey also was scheduled to see Dr. Graham Tuesday. He is expected to need surgery. It is not clear how long he would be out.

 

Beckett threw a lengthy bullpen session on Sunday and did not miss any of his starts this spring. He allowed two earned runs on seven hits over 19 innings against major league competition.

 

“He threw 100 pitches [sunday] and felt great, hit location,’’ Valentine said. The manager added Beckett’s trip to the Texas specialist was “just for peace of mind.”

[mvp 78]

So what you're saying is that all the rhetoric here for the last 24 hours was just speculation and baseless?

 

I'm shocked.

[redsoxfan3]

A third opinion? What did the San Antonio doctor say to him?

 

The San Antonio doctor told him the only way to cure his thumb injury is to eat fried chicken and drink beer. That was a problem because of the reports from last season regarding fried chicken and beer, so the team wanted to send him to Cleveland to get another opinion to see if there is another cure.

 

On a serious note, things are looking okay for Beckett, not so much for Bailey. Let's just hope Melancon is ready to close this year.

[ORS]

So what you're saying is that all the rhetoric here for the last 24 hours was just speculation and baseless?

 

I'm shocked.

Quit overreacting. [/sarcasm]

[mvp 78]

Quit overreacting. [/sarcasm]

 

I liked your first response better.

[a700hitter]

So what you're saying is that all the rhetoric here for the last 24 hours was just speculation and baseless?

 

I'm shocked.

Of course it was baseless speculation, Beckett was just flying from Florida to Texas to Cleveland to build some frequent flyer miles. Oh, and he just happens to be very close friends with hand specialists in each of those destinations.

[Bellhorn04]

Of course it was baseless speculation' date=' Beckett was just flying from Florida to Texas to Cleveland to build some frequent flyer miles. [/quote']

 

Good point.

[BecKett]

As Mazz pointed out today (and I hate Mazz)' date=' September would have never happened if it wasn't for Beckett and Lester. And not in the bad way. They would have never been able to collapse like that if Beckett and Lester didn't carry the SP last year. The complete and utter ineptitude of the #3-5 starters was mind boggling. All the team needed was for ONE of those guys to step up in September when Beckett and Lester were taking their fall. That's where this team failed.[/quote']

 

Finally, someone talking some sense. BECKETT AND LESTER WERE NOT THE PROBLEMS. We wouldn't have even been in the hunt without those two dominating virtually all summer long. They slipped up in September and that sucks, but as others have mentioned, if we even have a pitcher who could have gone 5 innings, 4 runs consistently we would have been in.

 

Lackey/Wakefield/Weiland/Miller.

 

Can you believe we even tried to survive with these clowns? Holy s***.

[Bellhorn04]

Finally, someone talking some sense. BECKETT AND LESTER WERE NOT THE PROBLEMS. We wouldn't have even been in the hunt without those two dominating virtually all summer long. They slipped up in September and that sucks, but as others have mentioned, if we even have a pitcher who could have gone 5 innings, 4 runs consistently we would have been in.

 

Lackey/Wakefield/Weiland/Miller.

 

Can you believe we even tried to survive with these clowns? Holy s***.

 

Bedard turned out to be somewhat of a clown too.

[BecKett]

Bedard turned out to be somewhat of a clown too.

 

Agreed. He was semi-effective when he was able to pitch, but I'm sure Theo would bring in more help if he could do it over again.

 

Aceves should have been thrown into the starting rotation too. I understand his value as a long reliever, and he's lights out, but at some point you have to stop the bleeding no matter what it takes. He was the Sox' best pitcher and the team should have rode him to the end.

[a700hitter]

Josh Beckett: thumb injury 'a lot better now'

April 4, 2012 05:18 PM

 

By Peter Abraham, Globe Staff

 

DETROIT — Josh Beckett said on Wednesday that he has been dealing with discomfort in his right thumb for 18 months and surgery may ultimately be the remedy. But he is not expecting to be limited this season.

 

“Things are a lot better now,” said the righthander, who will start the second game of the season on Saturday.

 

Beckett said he had a cortisone shot in the offseason when his thumb continued to bother him. He had a second injection a few weeks ago, but there was no relief of his symptoms.

 

That’s what led to his visiting a specialist, Dr. Mark Bagg, in San Antonio, Texas on Monday. Then the team had him get examined by Dr. Thomas Graham in Cleveland on Tuesday.

 

“I had some issues the last few weeks of spring training and we’ve been getting through them,” said Beckett, who did not miss a start in the Grapefruit League, allowing two earned runs in 19 innings. “I just didn’t think it was something we should get through for six months.”

 

Beckett did not describe the injury beyond saying it was a not a ligament issue.

 

“I think everything is good,” he said. “It’s something we’ll definitely have to monitor. … We’re just covering the bases as far as after the shot, things didn’t go as smooth as they have in the past.”

 

Surgery could prove necessary in the offseason.

 

“Yeah, maybe,” Beckett said. “Just got to play it by ear.”

 

Manager Bobby Valentine said he is not particularly concerned at this stage.

 

“The nature of the injury is that it’s really not much of an injury. I would think, because he’s been cleared to pitch and compete and I haven’t been told about any limitations he might have,” he said.

Is this good news or bad news? :dunno:

[iortiz]

he has been dealing with discomfort in his right thumb for 18 months? If surgery may ultimately be the remedy, why didn't he have the surgery in October? I do not get it.

[User Name]

Because they thought it would get better on its own? Not enough is specified to come to a conclusion. That article's way too vague.

[a700hitter]

he has been dealing with discomfort in his right thumb for 18 months? If surgery may ultimately be the remedy' date=' why didn't he have the surgery in October? I do not get it.[/quote']

I have no idea. It was bothering him in the off season, but he waited until the season is ready to start to get it checked out. I don't get it.

[iortiz]

I have no idea. It was bothering him in the off season' date=' but he waited until the season is ready to start to get it checked out. I don't get it.[/quote']

 

Strange.

[ORS]

Has anyone in the media checked to confirm that they did, indeed, change the medical staff on this team? It baffles the mind how totally blundering they have been in recent years, especially when you consider the amount invested that relies on the health of the employees. The medical issues reported during this ST makes it seem like the new crew will provide no improvement.

[SoxSport]

Epstein made some big time mistakes with the pitching down the stretch. Buchholz took forever to come back, and they never really replaced him. They played politics with Wakefield vs Millwood, and they stuck with dead horses like Lackey and Miller. Surely they knew Lackey was struggling with his elbow. They even mismanaged Aceves--sticking him in the bullpen when the need was for a consistent back end starter. They kept Bard-Pap at the back end of the bullpen when the starters were struggling. Maybe they should have moved Bard to starter at that time. It can be done. These things used to be routine.

 

Behind bad performance is bad management. Slow to make changes when needed.