Beckett Questionable to Start the Season

[SCM33]

I remember when I objectively looked at the season, and said, the Red Sox need one more pitcher and one more reliever. People started lumping me in with the pessimists. But when you looked at the health records of the guys on this team, and the medical malpractice that has become a norm in this organization, it was inevitable that someone would get hurt.

 

The Red Sox didn't need Darvish or Wilson. They needed Garland, or Duke, or Wheeler or Frasor. Whether they do well or not, the Red Sox have planned poorly for this season.

 

I was right there with you.

 

Its not pessimistic. Its objective.

[iortiz]

I remember when I objectively looked at the season, and said, the Red Sox need one more pitcher and one more reliever. People started lumping me in with the pessimists. But when you looked at the health records of the guys on this team, and the medical malpractice that has become a norm in this organization, it was inevitable that someone would get hurt.

 

The Red Sox didn't need Darvish or Wilson. They needed Garland, or Duke, or Wheeler or Frasor. Whether they do well or not, the Red Sox have planned poorly for this season.

 

I was about to post kind of the same, but I do not want to sound pessimist or be pointed as one. I think that your post is objective. I think some of us have said this, one way or another over and over again.

 

Despite these issues, I guess everybody around here will support this team. Nobody wishes any bad to this team, but the opposite.

 

I think that Bard should return to pen and take the closer role and let Cook/Miller/Padilla etc. win the 5th spot. Bailey seems that going to be out for a long time but at least I hope that everything goes fine with Beckett.

[a700hitter]

I remember when I objectively looked at the season, and said, the Red Sox need one more pitcher and one more reliever. People started lumping me in with the pessimists. But when you looked at the health records of the guys on this team, and the medical malpractice that has become a norm in this organization, it was inevitable that someone would get hurt.

 

The Red Sox didn't need Darvish or Wilson. They needed Garland, or Duke, or Wheeler or Frasor. Whether they do well or not, the Red Sox have planned poorly for this season.

You were in agreement with a lot of us, because that's where a critical analysis led us.

 

If this guy is going to miss 8-12 weeks, Cherrington needs to get another arm. If we didn't need one before, we need one now. We don't have enough quality arms.

[Elktonnick]

Becketts hurt, or so he thinks. Came out in the news today with a thumb injury, the day after Bailey comes out with a thumb injury.

 

Redsox medical staff told him he was fine. He doesn't believe them so hes flying to Texas to get a second opinion.

 

Same old medical staff. Same old Beckett. Same clubhouse.

 

I thought we addressed these issues this offseason?

 

Apparently not, common denominator? Beckett.

 

Tony Massarotti made exactly the same point. What I find particularly curious is, apparently no knows exactly how either Beckett and Bailey hurt their thumbs. It is especially odd that both happened about the same time about ten days ago. Somehow I think there is something very strange about this whole business. When was the last time two ML pitchers hurt their thumbs at the same time on the same team? I don't believe in coincedences especially when it come to a character like Beckett.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Um. Can the guy miss a start before the conspiracy theorists start digging in their teeth?

 

Didn't Valentine just say he definitely thinks Beckett is going to start?

[User Name]

Um. Can the guy miss a start before the conspiracy theorists start digging in their teeth?

 

Didn't Valentine just say he definitely thinks Beckett is going to start?

 

Don't you know Beckett is making up the injury?

 

Also, don't you know this confirms the theory that all of us agreed on regarding the Red Sox being better off getting a couple more viable pitchers?

 

Different people expressed it in different ways, but it's apparently a viable back-patting vehicle.

[SCM33]

Um. Can the guy miss a start before the conspiracy theorists start digging in their teeth?

 

Didn't Valentine just say he definitely thinks Beckett is going to start?

 

Um. Can his apologists stop defending him?

 

He is a fat phony fraud. He is also a cancer, and a pussy.

 

Thumbgate.

[jung]

I am not even sure we know enough about Bailey yet. Even though the report of a possible 6 weeks or longer was out by that time, WEEI was only willing to talk about the possibility of the 15 day disabled list.

 

However they will have to get somebody I think if this is weeks, even 6 weeks.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Um. Can his apologists stop defending him?

 

He is a fat phony fraud. He is also a cancer, and a pussy.

 

Thumbgate.

 

Wow. Your ignorance is beaming.

 

You're right. This team is better without him. They have too much SP

 

Oh, and apologist? When have I ever defended him when he was in the wrong? Oh, never. But I'm the one who out of line because I'm defending your accusations that this is all some sort of conspiracy??

 

Yeah. I'm the crazy one.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Becketts hurt, or so he thinks. Came out in the news today with a thumb injury, the day after Bailey comes out with a thumb injury.

 

Redsox medical staff told him he was fine. He doesn't believe them so hes flying to Texas to get a second opinion.

 

Same old medical staff. Same old Beckett. Same clubhouse.

 

I thought we addressed these issues this offseason?

 

Apparently not, common denominator? Beckett.

 

Lol the amount of hate you have toward Beckett.

[Elktonnick]

Wow. Your ignorance is beaming.

 

You're right. This team is better without him. They have too much SP

 

Oh, and apologist? When have I ever defended him when he was in the wrong? Oh, never. But I'm the one who out of line because I'm defending your accusations that this is all some sort of conspiracy??

 

Yeah. I'm the crazy one.

 

I am not saying its a conspiracy, It is a very strange coincendence, though. Bailey is injury prone who hurts himself jumping up in the air. Beckett is a punk. Who was largely resposnsibile for the team's rotten attitude last year. He certainly hasn't earned anyone's trust after last year. Who knows how or if he hurt his thumb. It is just highly unusual for two ML pitchers to hurt their thumbs at the same time on the same team without a plausible explanation as to how it happened. I may have been born at night but I wasn't born last night!

[seabeachfred]

I wonder if the media mantra is going to shift from chicken and beer to "thumbs up their asses"

 

It does seem like a sad situation RSNC and that's because it is. We are entering the season woefully shorthanded and are expecting that Aceves can magically emerge as a closer. I have a lot of confidence in Alfredo and consider him a warrior but isn't that a lot to expect from him since he has never closed before? As for Bailey, you wonder if he's put together with spit and bailing wire. Keep your fingers crossed that the news we get on Beckett tomorrow is a helluva lot better than what we got on Bailey today.

 

For the record, on another board I predicted that Bailey would be out awhile---a long while. It didn't take brains to figure it out; just his history. Didn't pop off about it here because we really need some upbeat feeling at this time. Here's one. Cook threw well today, has thrown well all Spring. You think we might actually have g otten lucky here? We could sure use some of that right now.

[redsoxrules]

Lol the amount of hate you have toward Beckett.

 

I know LOL.

 

He's was one of the main reasons the Sox won it 2007

[SCM33]

Wow. Your ignorance is beaming.

 

You're right. This team is better without him. They have too much SP

 

Oh, and apologist? When have I ever defended him when he was in the wrong? Oh, never. But I'm the one who out of line because I'm defending your accusations that this is all some sort of conspiracy??

 

Yeah. I'm the crazy one.

 

Accusations? Conspiracy?

 

LOL, nope.....what happened last year was well publicized and I said all off season they needed to trade him......this is just an extension of that. Whether or not you want to believe it is your choice.

 

The season hasn't even started and Beckett is already pulling his s***. You people defend him like hes Pedro Martinez, meanwhile hes won over 15 games just 2 times in his Boston career and has never K'd more than 200 in a season. Throw in the fact that in 3 of his 6 years here in Boston hes had an ERA over 4.00 (4.03) once and had an ERA over 5.00 twice (5.01, 5.78) and failed to make 30 starts in 2 or his 6 years. Yeah, some ace.

[mvp 78]

I was onboard with trading him in the offseason. He'll never have an ERA as low as last year again.

 

Sometimes changing the culture is necessary.

[jung]

Well if you are referring to Josh and his penchant for not pitching at all well unless he is confident that he is in perfect health then I can understand that. If you are saying that he is faking it, I don't think that is the case.

 

However, he does not pitch well unless he is fully confident in his health as in nothing wrong at all. I have always thought this sort of odd but I guess I would prefer he go get checked by somebody he has some faith in than just sit there and stew about it or go out and pitch poorly.

 

Since V is "confident" he is going to pitch how well he pitches if he is dinged a little could be interesting. Wonder what V will think of that.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I was onboard with trading him in the offseason. He'll never have an ERA as low as last year again.

Sometimes changing the culture is necessary.

 

While this might be true, he is an important part of this team.

[SCM33]

I was onboard with trading him in the offseason. He'll never have an ERA as low as last year again.

 

Sometimes changing the culture is necessary.

 

Thank you.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Accusations? Conspiracy?

 

LOL, nope.....what happened last year was well publicized and I said all off season they needed to trade him......this is just an extension of that. Whether or not you want to believe it is your choice.

 

The season hasn't even started and Beckett is already pulling his s***. You people defend him like hes Pedro Martinez, meanwhile hes won over 15 games just 2 times in his Boston career and has never K'd more than 200 in a season. Throw in the fact that in 3 of his 6 years here in Boston hes had an ERA over 4.00 (4.03) once and had an ERA over 5.00 twice (5.01, 5.78) and failed to make 30 starts in 2 or his 6 years. Yeah, some ace.

 

Who called him an ace? You just throwing words in my mouth now?

 

I said the Sox can't afford to lose him. Dear Lord. You take Beckett's whole life and career so personally. Seriously, chill out man. He's going to make his next start. You need to get a puppy or something.

 

I never said he was an ace. I said the rotation would be considerably weaker without him. Sorry he's coming off of a 2.89 ERA year. You can continue to hate him all you want for some unknown reason (that's a lot of pent up hate you've got), but it doesn't change the fact that he's going to be a huge part of this team this year, and that this team doesn't win the WS in 2007 without him.

[Elktonnick]

Thank you.

 

As was I

[SoxFanForsyth]

While this might be true' date=' he is an important part of this team.[/quote']

 

Exactly. Give me 190 IP to a 3.45 ERA and I'll be thrilled. I'll tell you one thing right now - you're not going to find near that on the market if you trade Beckett.

 

Whether people like to admit it or not, he makes this team much better than they would be if he was traded.

[SCM33]

Who called him an ace? You just throwing words in my mouth now?

 

I said the Sox can't afford to lose him. Dear Lord. You take Beckett's whole life and career so personally. Seriously, chill out man. He's going to make his next start. You need to get a puppy or something.

 

I never said he was an ace. I said the rotation would be considerably weaker without him. Sorry he's coming off of a 2.89 ERA year. You can continue to hate him all you want for some unknown reason (that's a lot of pent up hate you've got), but it doesn't change the fact that he's going to be a huge part of this team this year, and that this team doesn't win the WS in 2007 without him.

 

Oh, its not personal. I just cant understand why Sox fans defend him. Its the fact that Sox fans defend him that pisses me off. I couldnt give a s*** about him as a person. He is a fraud and to this day he still wont hold himself accountable for last years embarrassment.

 

2007 was 5 years ago.

 

Sometimes its time for a change.

 

EDIT: I apologize for putting the ACE words in your mouth, they werent directed at you per se, just in general. Sorry if you took it that way.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Exactly. Give me 190 IP to a 3.45 ERA and I'll be thrilled. I'll tell you one thing right now - you're not going to find near that on the market if you trade Beckett.

 

Whether people like to admit it or not, he makes this team much better than they would be if he was traded.

 

It's funny though, if Beckett wasn't on the team right now this forum would go f***ing nuts. They'd bitch at the FO for not keeping him. No one will ever be satisfied.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Oh, its not personal. I just cant understand why Sox fans defend him. Its the fact that Sox fans defend him that pisses me off. I couldnt give a s*** about him as a person. He is a fraud and to this day he still wont hold himself accountable for last years embarrassment.

 

2007 was 5 years ago.

 

Sometimes its time for a change.

 

You weren't satisfied with the numbers Beckett put up last year?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Oh, its not personal. I just cant understand why Sox fans defend him. Its the fact that Sox fans defend him that pisses me off. I couldnt give a s*** about him as a person. He is a fraud and to this day he still wont hold himself accountable for last years embarrassment.

 

2007 was 5 years ago.

 

Sometimes its time for a change.

 

I'm not defending him. I'm saying that the Sox are better with him than they would be with any return they could get from him in a trade.

 

Who do you expect them to get in return on a trade? I just want this team to put out the best talent they can. Trading Beckett would hurt this team.

 

Look - the guy said he threw poorly. He isn't going to say anything about beer and chicken, but he said he threw bad. He said he s*** the bed in the final 2 starts. That's what you're going to get from him. Everytime he has a bad start, he says "I sucked. I threw like s***".

 

To be honest, Lackey could take a lesson from Beckett. He's actually one of the most accountable pitchers on the team.

[mvp 78]

It's funny though' date=' if Beckett wasn't on the team right now this forum would go f***ing nuts. They'd bitch at the FO for not keeping him. No one will ever be satisfied.[/quote']

 

True, some people will never be satisfied. If they traded Beckett and were going to develop some young arms, I wouldn't complain.

[SCM33]

You weren't satisfied with the numbers Beckett put up last year?

 

Were you happy with his last 2 starts when he has back to back outings of 6ER when a decent start in either of those games seals it up?

 

Were you happy with his off the field s***?

 

You know what? Nevermind.

 

Just watch this:

Everything will be fine.

[mvp 78]

You weren't satisfied with the numbers Beckett put up last year?

 

Running a baseball team isn't thesame as a fantasy roster. Sometimes it's more than just numbers. Beckett and Lackeyclearly had a negative impact on Lester last year.

[SCM33]

I'm not defending him. I'm saying that the Sox are better with him than they would be with any return they could get from him in a trade.

 

Who do you expect them to get in return on a trade? I just want this team to put out the best talent they can. Trading Beckett would hurt this team.

 

Look - the guy said he threw poorly. He isn't going to say anything about beer and chicken, but he said he threw bad. He said he s*** the bed in the final 2 starts. That's what you're going to get from him. Everytime he has a bad start, he says "I sucked. I threw like s***".

 

To be honest, Lackey could take a lesson from Beckett. He's actually one of the most accountable pitchers on the team.

 

I can live with this post, although I still wanted him out.

[SoxFanForsyth]

True' date=' some people will never be satisfied. If they traded Beckett and were going to develop some young arms, I wouldn't complain.[/quote']

 

After the whole September collapse and the stories about the collapse, the Sox would have been selling very low on Beckett. Tack on that they wouldn't be competing and probably would be closer to 4th than 2nd, and it would have been a reactionary and poorly thought out move.

 

As pissed of as all of us were at the SP for all of that, cooler heads will always prevail, and that's why Beckett is with this team right now.