Red Sox to send Scutaro to the Rockies

[Meh]

Rockies, Red Sox Close To Completing Scutaro Deal

By Mark Polishuk [January 21 at 4:40pm CST]

The Rockies and Red Sox are "finishing up" a trade that would send Marco Scutaro to Colorado in exchange for a pitcher, reports Troy Renck of the Denver Post (Twitter link). Renck believes the pitcher heading to Boston could be Clayton Mortensen, whose name was mentioned in previous discussions between the two teams (via Twitter).

-MLBTR

 

This time it looks for real, FOLKS! I can't understand it myself but meh. Esp with Cody Ross close to signing with the Mets.

[iortiz]

Way to go Oswalt?

[redsoxrules]

They best be getting Oswalt for this or something else good.

I liked Scutaro and he was good for this team so I hope their just not dumping him for nothing.

[iortiz]

They best be getting Oswalt for this or something else good.

I liked Scutaro and he was good for this team so I hope their just not dumping him for nothing.

 

The SP is coming... The money llne pays you -1000 if he comes.

[a700hitter]

Let's hope that they are clearing cap space for Oswalt and not to pay Ortiz.

[RedSoxNC84]

Rockies Acquire Marco Scutaro

By Mike Axisa [January 21, 2012 at 5:09pm CST]

The Rockies have acquired Marco Scutaro from the Red Sox in exchange for Clayton Mortensen, reports ESPN's Jim Bowden of (on Twitter). Troy Renck of The Denver Post first reported that the two sides were finishing up the trade.

 

It's official.

[iortiz]

Let's hope that they are clearing cap space for Oswalt and not to pay Ortiz.

 

I'm crossing my fingers my friend....

 

BTW the deal is done. Scutaro was sent to Colorado for Mortensen.

[a700hitter]

I'm crossing finger fingers my friend....

 

BTW the deal is done. Scutaro was sent to Colorado for Mortersen.

It was definitely just a salary dump, because Mortensen is a bag of suck.

[Meh]

So your lineup is...

 

C: Salty

1B: AGon

2B: Pedo

SS: Punto

3B: Youk

LF: Avilies(until Crawford comes back)

CF: Ellsbury

RF: Sweeney

DH: Ortiz

 

I mean I see there's obvious talent there with AGon, Pedo, Ells and Ortiz. Guys the Yankees pitchers will be scared of, but the rest is very MEH. Salty, Punto, alivies and Sweeney are probably below average at best.

[a700hitter]

So your lineup is...

 

C: Salty

1B: AGon

2B: Pedo

SS: Punto

3B: Youk

LF: Avilies(until Crawford comes back)

CF: Ellsbury

RF: Sweeney

DH: Ortiz

 

I mean I see there's obvious talent there with AGon, Pedo, Ells and Ortiz. Guys the Yankees pitchers will be scared of, but the rest is very MEH. Salty, Punto, alivies and Sweeney are probably below average at best.

We have to pick up some bench players, either IF or OF or both.

[iortiz]

We have to pick up some bench players' date=' either IF or OF or both.[/quote']

 

Ross is still out there but I see that move unlikely.

[Meh]

We have to pick up some bench players' date=' either IF or OF or both.[/quote']

 

Who are you guys looking at? I know you were interested in Cody Ross but he looks like a future Met. Your bench is a four man group, like the rest of the AL I'm assuming... Shoppach and MacDonald are locked into two of the four spots.

[Gringo]

Thanks Marco, sorry to see you go. :dunno:

 

TBH, I'm not sure Oswalt is the guy I want. Aging and injured....Wish we made a run at Pineda.

[Soxfan1]

Now is the perfect time to bring in Prado and Jair.

[a700hitter]

Who are you guys looking at? I know you were interested in Cody Ross but he looks like a future Met. Your bench is a four man group' date=' like the rest of the AL I'm assuming... Shoppach and MacDonald are locked into two of the four spots.[/quote']He's have to be stark raving nuts to go to the Mets if the Sox want him.

[Meh]

Thanks Marco, sorry to see you go. :dunno:

 

TBH, I'm not sure Oswalt is the guy I want. Aging and injured....Wish we made a run at Pineda.

 

You didn't have anyone that could of got him. Z said he was looking at Logan Morrison, Mike Stanton or Jesus Montero for Pineda and that was his short list.

[Meh]

Now is the perfect time to bring in Prado and Jair.

 

Whats your trade offer?

[Station 13]

Damn I like Scoot.

 

now get me Oswalt

[SoxFanForsyth]

YESSSS!!!!!

 

I love this deal. And now we can go sign Oswalt!!! It's a beautiful thing!!!!

[SoxFanForsyth]

Lester - Beckett - Buchholz - Oswalt - Bard rotation with Wilson/Melancon/Morales/Aceves/Bailey at the back of that bullpen? That's a pretty sick rotation and pen.

 

And we got Clay Mortenson, who posted a 117 ERA+ over 56 IP last season for the Rockies. He provides good depth along with Aceves, Wilson, Doubront, Cook, and Silva.

[SoxFanForsyth]

It was definitely just a salary dump' date=' because Mortensen is a bag of suck.[/quote']

 

He's good depth, and he posted a 117 ERA+ last season at the MLB level. You never know when it clicks for some of these guys.

 

If he's our #8 or #9 SP then hopefully we don't see a whole lot of him, but even if we do, if he can post a 4.0-4.5 ERA for 30-40 innings for us, I'll be very happy with the deal.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So your lineup is...

 

C: Salty

1B: AGon

2B: Pedo

SS: Punto

3B: Youk

LF: Avilies(until Crawford comes back)

CF: Ellsbury

RF: Sweeney

DH: Ortiz

 

I mean I see there's obvious talent there with AGon, Pedo, Ells and Ortiz. Guys the Yankees pitchers will be scared of, but the rest is very MEH. Salty, Punto, alivies and Sweeney are probably below average at best.

 

Because last season, you know, the season when we lead the league in almost every single MLB category, our RF hit a combined .233/.299/.353 last season. Crawford hit .255/.289/.405.

 

Wow. Talk about a massive hit in production with Sweeney (who, if he plays to the back of his baseball card, would give our RF position a 70 point bump in OPS), and Aviles (who OPS'd .775 since playing for the Sox, vs Crawfords .694 OPS).

 

I don't see at all how our offense got any worse since last year with the production we got out of RF and LF last season.

[example1]

I heard discussion on the Fireside chats podcast that there is huge incentive for the Sox to be under the cap, not so much for 2012 but ABSOLUTELY before 2014, I believe because of the new CBA and increased penalties. I know many, including myself, we're already aware of their need to get under the cap soon but it sounds like the penalties would border on disastrous if they don't get under. That explains their intense focus on it this year, as all moves need to be made with that in mind until they are under.

 

Part of their analysis focused on Ellsbury and the utter infeisibility of signing him if they are already near the cap and everything over it is taxed 50%. That makes a lot of sense. Hes not a 30m player and even if he goes elsewhere they will need money to restock behind him.

 

What does this mean? Short deals are the prime concern and the LT is a huge, huge strategic (not so much penny-pinching) priority.

[User Name]

Because last season, you know, the season when we lead the league in almost every single MLB category, our RF hit a combined .233/.299/.353 last season. Crawford hit .255/.289/.405.

 

Wow. Talk about a massive hit in production with Sweeney (who, if he plays to the back of his baseball card, would give our RF position a 70 point bump in OPS), and Aviles (who OPS'd .775 since playing for the Sox, vs Crawfords .694 OPS).

 

I don't see at all how our offense got any worse since last year with the production we got out of RF and LF last season.

 

You're arguing with a Yankees fan. What did you expect? Objectivity?

[Meh]

Because last season, you know, the season when we lead the league in almost every single MLB category, our RF hit a combined .233/.299/.353 last season. Crawford hit .255/.289/.405.

 

Wow. Talk about a massive hit in production with Sweeney (who, if he plays to the back of his baseball card, would give our RF position a 70 point bump in OPS), and Aviles (who OPS'd .775 since playing for the Sox, vs Crawfords .694 OPS).

 

I don't see at all how our offense got any worse since last year with the production we got out of RF and LF last season.

So you think Ellsbury and Ortiz will be able to retain their 2011 numbers then? If the Yankees had Miguel Cairo at 2B and Tony Womack in LF you'd be ALL over them saying how their offense wasn't going to be up to par.

[User Name]

You do know they'll have a healthy Youkilis, that Aviles OPS's over .700 and that Kalish and Crawford will come back? Right?

[Station 13]

I heard discussion on the Fireside chats podcast that there is huge incentive for the Sox to be under the cap, not so much for 2012 but ABSOLUTELY before 2014, I believe because of the new CBA and increased penalties. I know many, including myself, we're already aware of their need to get under the cap soon but it sounds like the penalties would border on disastrous if they don't get under. That explains their intense focus on it this year, as all moves need to be made with that in mind until they are under.

 

Part of their analysis focused on Ellsbury and the utter infeisibility of signing him if they are already near the cap and everything over it is taxed 50%. That makes a lot of sense. Hes not a 30m player and even if he goes elsewhere they will need money to restock behind him.

 

What does this mean? Short deals are the prime concern and the LT is a huge, huge strategic (not so much penny-pinching) priority.

 

 

 

For if they are at $189 million or less for the three seasons from 2014-16, they not only avoid paying one cent in luxury tax, which would rise to 50 percent for them as repeat offenders, but they also would get roughly $40 million in savings via the to-be-implemented market disqualification revenue sharing program. However, only teams under the luxury-tax threshold get reimbursed in this program, which is designed to prevent big markets such as Toronto and Washington from receiving revenue sharing dollars, which in turn will lower how much teams such as the Yanks pay (as long as they are under the threshold).

 

http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5572:last-week-in-bizball-the-debate-uver-the-new-mlb-cba-continues&catid=67:pete-toms&Itemid=155

[SoxFanForsyth]

So you think Ellsbury and Ortiz will be able to retain their 2011 numbers then? If the Yankees had Miguel Cairo at 2B and Tony Womack in LF you'd be ALL over them saying how their offense wasn't going to be up to par.

 

You think Gonzo will only hit 27 HR next year? You think maybe, just maybe, he'll slug a little better than .489 in the 2nd half?

 

You really, honestly think Crawford is going to hit .255 again? Come on man. Be realistic. And if Punto was replacing Pedroia, I'd say we were going to have a decrease. It's Aviles replacing Scutaro. It's a wash.

 

You act like we had some all star RF last season that is irreplaceable. You say our offense is going to struggle because we have Aviles and Sweeney starting, and then back that by saying that Ellsbury and Ortiz won't hit the same.

 

Make up your mind dude. Ellsbury and Ortiz may not hit as well as they did in 2011, but 1. Our pitching got a hell of a lot better, and 2. Our RF got a hell of a lot better, even if it is just Sweeney.

[a700hitter]

You think Gonzo will only hit 27 HR next year? You think maybe, just maybe, he'll slug a little better than .489 in the 2nd half?

 

You really, honestly think Crawford is going to hit .255 again? Come on man. Be realistic. And if Punto was replacing Pedroia, I'd say we were going to have a decrease. It's Aviles replacing Scutaro. It's a wash.

 

You act like we had some all star RF last season that is irreplaceable. You say our offense is going to struggle because we have Aviles and Sweeney starting, and then back that by saying that Ellsbury and Ortiz won't hit the same.

 

Make up your mind dude. Ellsbury and Ortiz may not hit as well as they did in 2011, but 1. Our pitching got a hell of a lot better, and 2. Our RF got a hell of a lot better, even if it is just Sweeney.

We should be able to add a RH platoon piece for RF.

[diony]

Offensive black hole at SS.