Valentine's Big Mouth

[Elktonnick]

I'm a former AS making almost 10 times what my boss makes and have a contract that is twice as long. I have a guaranteed contract. I'm in no hurry to return a phone call I don't want to deal with. Period.

 

Then he'll suffer the consequences. CC is obviously very sensitive and very dumb. And BV didn't do anything wrong despite what you may think. This controversy was all CC's doing. He'll have to face the music eventually.

[FredLynn]

I'm a former AS making almost 10 times what my boss makes and have a contract that is twice as long. I have a guaranteed contract. I'm in no hurry to return a phone call I don't want to deal with. Period.

 

1. Its common decency to return phone calls.

2. You have an ethical obligation to respond to your boss's contact attempts

3. If you choose to behave like an ass then you should expect to be treated like one.

 

Do you really mean to tell me that if this were YOU and YOUR boss called you at home asking to speak with you that you would choose not to call back if you were pissed off at him? You do that and you get fired. Crawford cannot be fired, but he will wish he were fired if he keeps behaving like this. He will be skewered by the vicious Boston media and booed every time he walks on the field. Life will be hell for him in Boston for the next seven years. He will most likely ride the pine a lot under BV if he keeps up this assinine behavior.

Which is worse, calling your boss back and being polite or enduring hell on earth in Boston in a job you hate for seven more years?

[mvp 78]

As you've stated in this thread previously, my job isn't the same as CC's. I won't be dressed down in front of my clients. So how does me returning my phone call factor into the equation. I don't have a guaranteed contract. I can be fired. CC can't. He has zero incentive to return the call.

[FredLynn]

As you've stated in this thread previously' date=' my job isn't the same as CC's. I won't be dressed down in front of my clients. So how does me returning my phone call factor into the equation. I don't have a guaranteed contract. I can be fired. CC can't. He has zero incentive to return the call.[/quote']

 

His incentives are :

 

1. Common decency and respect for your boss. If you have no common decency this does not apply to you.

2. If he keeps up this act he will endure seven years of hell in Boston. You know that is true. The fans are fed up with this kind of BS. CC will hear it in April unless he comes around.

[a700hitter]

I'm a former AS making almost 10 times what my boss makes and have a contract that is twice as long. I have a guaranteed contract. I'm in no hurry to return a phone call I don't want to deal with. Period.

Not returning the call is unprofessional.

[FredLynn]

Not returning the call is unprofessional.

 

And its EXACTLY the kind of attitude that must be extinguished on this club

[mvp 78]

Not returning the call is unprofessional.

 

I never said it wasn't. I believe they are both in the wrong. I just see BV's act not playing out well. It could end up like the final act of his Mets tenure.

[a700hitter]

I never said it wasn't. I believe they are both in the wrong. I just see BV's act not playing out well. It could end up like the final act of his Mets tenure.

We'll have to see how it plays out, but I don't think Bobby V has done anything wrong yet.

[seabeachfred]

We'll have to see how it plays out' date=' but I don't think Bobby V has done anything wrong yet.[/quote']

 

No he hasn't!!!!!! It is Crawford who is acting like a second rate bush leaguer and it is he who will pay the price for his miserable attitude if this keeps up. First of all he is not deeply admired by the fans for his rotten 2011 season, and secondly, the press is out for blood after this season's miserable collapse, a lot of it fallen on Carl's poor hitting and equally miserable fielding. If he gets off to another rotten start he could find himself in a platoon role because Valentine is not FrancoMa. You either do it his way or it's the highway. Another bad season from Crawford will see his stock drop further and will find himself being placed on waivers every month for the next five or six years.

 

Carl should tuck in his horns, show courtesy to his new manager and try and settle any differences before Spring Training so that he can enter the new season with a clean mind and a totally new and fresh outlook. It doesn't take a PHD to see that.

[YAZMAN]

We'll have to see how it plays out' date=' but I don't think Bobby V has done anything wrong yet.[/quote']

 

Stay tuned...

 

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[VA Sox Fan]

Stay tuned...

 

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I hear ya YAZ. I hear ya. Hoping for the best. But I HEAR YA.

[Elktonnick]

I hear ya YAZ. I hear ya. Hoping for the best. But I HEAR YA.

 

When Tom Caron a paid NESN employee calls out Crawford for his juvenile behavior you know his shiit is weak.

[Elktonnick]

No he hasn't!!!!!! It is Crawford who is acting like a second rate bush leaguer and it is he who will pay the price for his miserable attitude if this keeps up. First of all he is not deeply admired by the fans for his rotten 2011 season, and secondly, the press is out for blood after this season's miserable collapse, a lot of it fallen on Carl's poor hitting and equally miserable fielding. If he gets off to another rotten start he could find himself in a platoon role because Valentine is not FrancoMa. You either do it his way or it's the highway. Another bad season from Crawford will see his stock drop further and will find himself being placed on waivers every month for the next five or six years.

 

Carl should tuck in his horns, show courtesy to his new manager and try and settle any differences before Spring Training so that he can enter the new season with a clean mind and a totally new and fresh outlook. It doesn't take a PHD to see that.

 

The only PHD Carl Crawford would earn is in piled higher and deeper because he has stepped in s*** on this one.

[VA Sox Fan]

When Tom Caron a paid NESN employee calls out Crawford for his juvenile behavior you know his shiit is weak.

 

I Like TC. Valentine needs to work it out. He's the "mature" one. He's the manager, it all rests with him now. Crawford will be fine.

[Elktonnick]

I Like TC. Valentine needs to work it out. He's the "mature" one. He's the manager' date=' it all rests with him now. Crawford will be fine.[/quote']

 

I don't think so. Based on what Gammons wrote I think CC has really gone into a shell. I think last year must have affected him greatly especially the way it ended with him making a lousy defensive play. If he can't get his head straight and doesn't start listening to the right people, he may just deconstruct completely under Boston's pressure.

[a700hitter]

I don't think so. Based on what Gammons wrote I think CC has really gone into a shell. I think last year must have affected him greatly especially the way it ended with him making a lousy defensive play. If he can't get his head straight and doesn't start listening to the right people' date=' he may just deconstruct completely under Boston's pressure.[/quote']I hope he s it together. A $142 million bust would be horrendous. Under performing would be bad enough. Self destruction could get real ugly.

[Muggah]

I hope he s it together. A $142 million bust would be horrendous. Under performing would be bad enough. Self destruction could get real ugly.

 

Amen to that. It has to make you wonder whether or not this is his way of saying he wants out.

[a700hitter]

Amen to that. It has to make you wonder whether or not this is his way of saying he wants out.

If he wants out, they should place him on irrevocable waivers like they did with Manny after the 2003 season. Any team could have had him, but they all passed. They told Manny that the only way he could leave was if he tore up his contract. He stayed and shut up until mid-2006. If Crawford wants out, he'd better come out of the starting gate on fire in 2012. If he reestablishes himself, they might be able to trade him or someone might pick him off the waiver wire.

[VA Sox Fan]

Not returning the call is unprofessional.

 

John Henry saying that he wasn't in favor of the Crawford trade is unprofessional. That can't make Crawford feel too great.

[a700hitter]

John Henry saying that he wasn't in favor of the Crawford trade is unprofessional. That can't Crawford feel too great.

I was critical of the JH foot in mouth moment, but what has one thing got to do with the other?

[VA Sox Fan]

I was critical of the JH foot in mouth moment' date=' but what has one thing got to do with the other?[/quote']

 

Maybe that has bothered Crawford since it was said. If he is really avoiding BV, maybe that has something to do with it. Just throwing it out there as a possibility.

 

At the end of the season, Crawford made no excuses for the lousy September. It seems he handled his criticism well all season. But knowing an owner didn't want you, that's pretty big IMO.

 

Henry should have kept his mouth shut just as BV should have. The Hoody would be ashamed.

[a700hitter]

Maybe that has bothered Crawford since it was said. If he is really avoiding BV, maybe that has something to do with it. Just throwing it out there as a possibility.

 

At the end of the season, Crawford made no excuses for the lousy September. It seems he handled his criticism well all season. But knowing an owner didn't want you, that's pretty big IMO.

 

Henry should have kept his mouth shut just as BV should have. The Hoody would be ashamed.

It's no excuse for not picking up the phone to return a call to your manager. If his skin is that thin, his stay in Boston will be a train wreck.

[VA Sox Fan]

It's no excuse for not picking up the phone to return a call to your manager. If his skin is that thin' date=' his stay in Boston will be a train wreck.[/quote']

 

We'll see how it pans out.

 

Nothing will change my opinion that BV was wrong. It's obvious I've never been a fan of his but I'm willing to be open minded about him possibly being a successful manager in Boston. I'm also optimistic about Crawford having a better 2012 than 2011.

[Elktonnick]

It's no excuse for not picking up the phone to return a call to your manager. If his skin is that thin' date=' his stay in Boston will be a train wreck.[/quote']

 

There was no love for CC on D&C this am. That's all they talked about for more than an hour. Someone has got to get to this guy and wise him up quickly. If he still hasn't spoken to BV prior to ST its going to be a circus. Given Gammons and Pedroia's comments, I think he is one fragile dude emotionally.

[a700hitter]

We'll see how it pans out.

 

Nothing will change my opinion that BV was wrong. It's obvious I've never been a fan of his but I'm willing to be open minded about him possibly being a successful manager in Boston. I'm also optimistic about Crawford having a better 2012 than 2011.

I'm not sure what Valentine did that was wrong. He tried to reach out to the guy. Was he supposed to lie and say that he had a wonderful conversation with him? I'm not seeing anything wrong from Bobby V in this regard. I've seen Bobby V be an idiot and wear out his welcome. This is not what it looks like. CC is wrong here. There is no acceptable explanation.

[Deebs]

There were some good points brought up by Frank Lennon in an article on the Bleacher Report, one being that a manager does not have to rip his ballplayers publicly in order to keep his players in line. I agree that several of the players need to lose their sense of entitlement and selfishness, but a really good manager would be able to do that without creating a media circus.

 

Francona clearly lost his team this season, but I've always felt that the reason he was so successful here was his ability to manage the clubhouse and to keep the dirty laundry out of the press for the most part. Having the clubhouse behind you is more important than any in game strategy, IMO.

 

For those of you who think it's a great idea for Valentine to call out players publicly, be careful what you wish for. This may seem good for a while, but it will get old really fast. I don't see how you can think that negative media attention towards any player, deserving or not, can be good for the team as a whole.

[VA Sox Fan]

I'm not sure what Valentine did that was wrong. He tried to reach out to the guy. Was he supposed to lie and say that he had a wonderful conversation with him? I'm not seeing anything wrong from Bobby V in this regard. I've seen Bobby V be an idiot and wear out his welcome. This is not what it looks like. CC is wrong here. There is no acceptable explanation.

 

He simply could have said they haven't spoken yet.

 

As usual, let's agree to disagree b/c I do not agree with you. This is all a matter of opinion at this time. IMO BV was wrong.

[VA Sox Fan]

There were some good points brought up by Frank Lennon in an article on the Bleacher Report, one being that a manager does not have to rip his ballplayers publicly in order to keep his players in line. I agree that several of the players need to lose their sense of entitlement and selfishness, but a really good manager would be able to do that without creating a media circus.

 

Francona clearly lost his team this season, but I've always felt that the reason he was so successful here was his ability to manage the clubhouse and to keep the dirty laundry out of the press for the most part. Having the clubhouse behind you is more important than any in game strategy, IMO.

 

For those of you who think it's a great idea for Valentine to call out players publicly, be careful what you wish for. This may seem good for a while, but it will get old really fast. I don't see how you can think that negative media attention towards any player, deserving or not, can be good for the team as a whole.

 

I agree with this post.

[a700hitter]

He simply could have said they haven't spoken yet.

 

As usual, let's agree to disagree b/c I do not agree with you. This is all a matter of opinion at this time. IMO BV was wrong.

It's not his style to tip toe around the truth. He's a direct guy. By the time, Bobby V made his statement to the press, Crawford had already committed his misdeed, so whether you agree or disagree with Bobby V's statement, it was not an excuse for Crawford not returning his call.

[Elktonnick]

He simply could have said they haven't spoken yet.

 

As usual, let's agree to disagree b/c I do not agree with you. This is all a matter of opinion at this time. IMO BV was wrong.

 

That is essentially what he said. Remember this didn't happen in a vacuum. First everyone was advising BV to reach out and contact the players. He does that. Secondly it was CC who let it be known that he was POed at Valentine's comment about his open stance. So BV is asked the question. He gives your reply (I saw the interview) the result is the same. Fast forward to today. CC is getting ripped inthe press, not BV. The onus is on CC. He is the one putting pressure on himself. He can make this go away in an instant by one phone call. Does he ? No! Why? Because he is either utterly stupid, still POed and unable to get over being criticized and his horrible season or is an emotional basket case. Any and all are possible. This isn't going to blow over until they speak.