Phillies sign Papelbon

[WhiskeyBreath]

Maybe Papelbon didn't even want to be here.

 

Paying a reliever for more than two years is almost always a bad idea, unless its Rivera.

 

Papelbon was going where the money was. That was determined a long time ago based on how he handled his arbitration years.

 

Good luck building a bull pen that you can win with by not giving guys more than 2 years.

[a700hitter]

And this jerk protege of Theo's can't even find a manager. Memo to Ben, the manager ain't that important. The talent on the field is what is important.

[Spudboy]

f*** me in the ass sideways. Unless there is some underlying physical malady, this just makes no sense.

[Gringo]

Strange that it was Philly that came in for him. Seems like they have a logjam at the closer position already with Madson, Bastardo and Lidge...

[a700hitter]

f*** me in the ass sideways. Unless there is some underlying physical malady' date=' this just makes no sense.[/quote']Hey, Spud. I was just thinking yesterday that we haven't seen much of you lately. How are things with you?

[Spudboy]

And this jerk protege of Theo's can't even find a manager. Memo to Ben' date=' the manager ain't that important. The talent on the field is what is important.[/quote']

 

Hmmmmm........ Not so sure about that Ted. This team had the talent in '11. They had a manager too.

[a700hitter]

Strange that it was Philly that came in for him. Seems like they have a logjam at the closer position already with Madson' date=' Bastardo and Lidge...[/quote']Madson will probably walk, but with Papelbon and Bastardo they have a devastating righty-lefty combination.

[Spudboy]

Hey' date=' Spud. I was just thinking yesterday that we haven't seen much of you lately. How are things with you?[/quote']

 

My life is all f***ed up. But I have cigarettes, vodka, food, shelter, and two wonderful children that love their Dad. I can't complain. What's the haps with you?

[a700hitter]

Hmmmmm........ Not so sure about that Ted. This team had the talent in '11. They had a manager too.

They talent was overhyped. Lackey was a bag of garbage. You and I knew that Dice K was an overhyped disaster. Wakefield had become a fossil. We had fossils on the bench like Cameron and Varitek, and an untested catcher in Salty. Our bullpen blew after Papelbon, Bard and Aceves.

[a700hitter]

My life is all f***ed up. But I have cigarettes' date=' vodka, food, shelter, and two wonderful children that love their Dad. I can't complain. What's the haps with you?[/quote']Both my parents died in the first 5 weeks of the year. My brother had a heart attack. My mother in law is in a rehab with a broken hip and she is senile to boot. And the F'in Red Sox had the worst September collapse in history. 2011 has been a banner year. Damn red Sox!!

 

Other than that, everything is good. My daughter has a full time job as a chemical engineer after graduating from Northeastern and my son is gainfully employed with the federal government and mooching off me.

 

How's your son doing at MIT?

[Palodios]

I want to go through all of the biggest reliever contracts in baseball history for non-Rivera players.

 

2) Lidge 2009-2011, Save percentage 78%. 7.21 ERA in 2009, injured in 2011.

3)K-rod 2009-2011, Stats okay, 6 blown saves per year, but he turned into a PR/clubhouse nightmare.

4)Joe Nathan 2008-2011 Missed a season and a half with injuries.

5) Soriano 2011--2013 In the first year alone he missed a month with injuries and pitched to a 4.00+ ERA.

6) Billy Wagner 2006-2009 -- Was effective for first few years, but missed most of 2009.

7)Trevor Hoffman 2010-- 5.89 ERA.

8) Kerry Wood --2009-2010, completely ineffective the first half of 2010.

9) Broxton 2010-2011-- 4.04 ERA in 2010, 5.68 in just a few innings in 2011.

10) BJ Ryan 2006-2010-- In a five year contract, he missed two and a half FULL seasons.

11) Bobby Jenks 2010-- 4.40 ERA

12) Bobby Jenks 2011-2012 -- Enough said.

 

 

Paying big money for relievers is always a bad idea. Look at the list, look at any article on relief pitchers on fangraphs, yahoo sports, baseball reference. Its a bad idea.

[Laser Show]

f*** it, go all out on offense and outscore everyone.

 

This was the one no-brainer out of all the possible moves. I give this guy an F-, I don't care what he does from here on out. Watch as we spiral back to mediocrity.

[jung]

While Paps was going to follow the money and could not turn down a 4th year like that...I would not be surprised if he is happy to be out of here. Say what you want about Paps propensity to be a little over-amped, that crap that happened here is like 180* away from where Paps wants to be. New manager or not, many of the same players would be back. Almost surprised Paps did not hit somebody over the head with a chair last year.

 

Would not be surprised if Paps does not think much of the FO here either.

[WhiskeyBreath]

If the organization decides to go closer by committee, I'm burning down that dump they call Fenway. :thumbdown

[Palodios]

Papelbon was going where the money was. That was determined a long time ago based on how he handled his arbitration years.

 

Good luck building a bull pen that you can win with by not giving guys more than 2 years.

 

When was the last time the Red Sox signed a reliever for longer than 2 years?

[mvp 78]

Well you guys are a little less uppity today than when you all thought the Gonzo deal fell through... The overreactions that day were beautiful.

 

I'm not bothered by this. Closers are easier to replace than a SP.

[Laser Show]

Now can we blow up the team?

 

We need so many damn pieces.

[mvp 78]

If the organization decides to go closer by committee' date=' I'm burning down that dump they call Fenway. :thumbdown[/quote']

 

I bet you don't.

[Laser Show]

You know.. I wouldn't mind taking a run at K-Rod. We need someone with some f***ing emotion who can light a fire under someones ass.

[WhiskeyBreath]

When was the last time the Red Sox signed a reliever for longer than 2 years?

 

Probly Foulke.:dunno:

[User Name]

Probly Foulke.:dunno:

 

That didn't turn out so well either, so i can see Palodios' point.

[Cask N Flagon 76]

Wow i'm not going to get crazy just yet and i can understand not wanting to sign paps over 3 years but

i'm speechless to be honest with you guys. I honestly though 3 years/40 mil would do it guess not. Hey

what is Cherington doing did he even try wow Fenway should be fun this year

[Palodios]

Probly Foulke.:dunno:

 

And how did that one work out?

 

 

Seriously guys, get off the bridge. Look at the list of expensive reliever contracts, and realize that this is the smart decision.

[a700hitter]

None of these are comparable to Papelebon. I have noted my reasons. BTW, if you wanted to make a fair comparison, you should have noted that a number of these closers were hugely successful through age 34 (e.g. Nathan, Wagner and Hoffman) which is when Papelbon's new contract will end.

 

2) Lidge 2009-2011, Never had Papelbon's consistency or success-- just not as good

3)K-rod 2009-2011, Stats okay, 6 blown saves per year, but he turned into a PR/clubhouse nightmare. Stats okay. That's really all that matters. He's still a performer

4)Joe Nathan 2008-2011 Signed his contract at age 34-- older than Papelbon

5) Soriano 2011--2013 Same age as Papelbon, but never had Papelbon's consistency or success-- simply not as good as Papelbon

6) Billy Wagner 2006-2009 --Older than Papelbon-- signed his contract at age 34

7)Trevor Hoffman 2010-- 5.89 ERA.Way older than Papelbon-- signed his contract at age 39

8) Kerry Wood --2009-2010, Not comparable in any way shape or form to Papelbon

9) Broxton 2010-2011-- Broxton never had Papelbon's consistency and success. He's just not as good

[User Name]

Lidge, Broxton, Nathan. /offseason.

[WhiskeyBreath]

And how did that one work out?

 

 

Seriously guys, get off the bridge. Look at the list of expensive reliever contracts, and realize that this is the smart decision.

 

It worked out great. The WS win in 2004 was worth every penny they paid him.

[Laser Show]

Lidge' date=' Broxton, Nathan. /offseason.[/quote']

 

I'd replace Nathan with K-Rod and call it a day.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Hated the guy anyway.

 

Same here.

 

 

And an overrated position that will be filled easily.

[a700hitter]

f*** it, go all out on offense and outscore everyone.

 

This was the one no-brainer out of all the possible moves. I give this guy an F-, I don't care what he does from here on out. Watch as we spiral back to mediocrity.

It will happen. I have been waiting for the day when Mo's arm falls off, because i strongly believe that when they lose that security blanket the Yankees will no longer be consistently successful. Instead we let our stud closer and 9th inning security blanket walk. This will not work out well.

[User Name]

I'd replace Nathan with K-Rod and call it a day.

 

What i meant was, sign those three and pray for rain haha.