2012 Who will be our manager?

[example1]

There's not a lot of difference between Lamont and Valentine.

 

I honestly don't know that one way or the other. Do you?

 

They are both veterans but otherwise I don't know what differentiates them.

[a700hitter]

I honestly don't know that one way or the other. Do you?

 

They are both veterans but otherwise I don't know what differentiates them.

Other than personality, I don't know. The difference in their personality shouldn't cause such a delay in the decision. There isn't a massive due diligence to be done. My Employer has decided to purchase major insurance companies in less time. There are two finalists. Take a vote and get it over with. The delay is ridiculous.

[RonVermette]

I have no problem with them taking as much time as necessary. It's not like spring training is around the corner and the manager usually plays very little role in what players are signed. I assume they're working 24/7 on finding a quality starter and a couple of quality relievers.

[SoxSport]

Agree.

 

Here's what is so confusing to me, and maybe Im beating a dead horse here (havent read through the whole thread). Why is it taking this long? They obviously like Valentine alot, and Lamont was basically just a filler interview it seemed. What in the world is there to think about this long? Makes you wonder if they're really sold on Bobby.

 

It's taking so long because there is apparently a difference of opinion on what the Red Sox need for a manager. Cherington thinks they need another Francona. The higher ups are looking for a guy with ml managing experience who can run the team properly and manage a good game. They may also want a guy who is more independent of the FO--which may be the whole crux of the matter.

[iortiz]

Wow! This diligence is turning ridicoulus.

 

Is this a matter of money? Is this a matter of the correct profile? ... I don't know, but the logic indicates that this should be a GM's call (Seems to be far that way in Boston). If this takes another month I will guess that this organization has serious differences at the FO, serous! and I would wonder whether this process will be extendend for the selection of the players, if yes, we are screwed.

[jung]

There are a multitude of things that might be holding things up at this point but two that come to my mind are:

- Assuming Bobby V has been the candidate of choice for upper management, there is the chance that it was expected that he would come in and Wow everybody in the interview process. Maybe that just did not happen.

- Another possibility is one I have been thinking about for quite some time now especially in light of some comments that maybe Bobby V could hold fort here for 4-5 years. The Sox have not been offering managers long term deals of late, a departure from the norm especially for a new manager coming in. However I don't think the Sox are overly confident in anybody they are looking at now and the sticking point might well be how many years they are willing to offer against the number of years that a new manager might want. I don't think the Sox would be currently interested in offering more than three years with club option after that and maybe even less. I would expect even a guy like Valentine, out of coaching for nine years now would want more than that.

 

Again it could be any number of things but those two one of the two mentioned above seem the most likely to me.

[SoxSport]

Wow! This diligence is turning ridicoulus.

 

Is this a matter of money? Is this a matter of the correct profile? ... I don't know, but the logic indicates that this should be a GM's call (Seems to be far that way in Boston). If this takes another month I will guess that this organization has serious differences at the FO, serous! and I would wonder whether this process will be extendend for the selection of the players, if yes, we are screwed.

 

Don't think it is. Especially with a new GM. Hiring is usually two levels above you.

 

The perception has been it was Cherington's call, but the final decision is clearly above him.

 

The problem here is the manager search is way overexposed in the media--more than other teams. I'm surprised they didn't bring TV cameras in for the interviews.

[iortiz]

Don't think it is. Especially with a new GM. Hiring is usually two levels above you.

 

The perception has been it was Cherington's call, but the final decision is clearly above him.

 

The problem here is the manager search is way overexposed in the media--more than other teams. I'm surprised they didn't bring TV cameras in for the interviews.

 

Like in that reality show called Big Brother?

[Bellhorn04]

Don't think it is. Especially with a new GM. Hiring is usually two levels above you.

 

The perception has been it was Cherington's call, but the final decision is clearly above him.

 

The problem here is the manager search is way overexposed in the media--more than other teams. I'm surprised they didn't bring TV cameras in for the interviews.

 

Good one. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the networks did propose it to the Sox, but the deal didn't get done because of issues over compensation.

[iortiz]

Good one. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the networks did propose it to the Sox' date=' but the deal didn't get done because of issues over compensation.[/quote']

 

[a700hitter]

Good one. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the networks did propose it to the Sox' date=' but the deal didn't get done because of issues over compensation.[/quote']The best negotiating point that Theo has had in years is that he isn't worth much. He could print out the "The is Gone" thread as proff.

[ipot]

Larry Looch is running the show. Ben is a lame duck. That's my take.

 

And the delays have a lot to do with his fear of Bobby V overshadowing him.

[SoxSport]

I read that it was Epstein, not Hoyer, who introduced the Cubs new manager, Sveum, to the media.

Didn't seem to be much of an issue there.

 

Now with the Sox, we have the media questioning Lucchino going over Cherington's head. What's the difference vs the Cubs? None, except Lucchino handled the whole business poorly, not spelling out Cherington's responsibilities or his own. Things changed after Theo, and they should have said so. Larry's title, for one. It would be foolish to think Cherington has the power Epstein had when he left. But we had to find that out the hard way. A PR screwup.

[mvp 78]

None' date=' except Lucchino handled the whole business poorly, not spelling out Cherington's responsibilities or his own.[/quote']

 

Spelled out for whom? Ben? You? The media?

 

Do you honestly think they didn't spell this out internally?

[Elktonnick]

Spelled out for whom? Ben? You? The media?

 

Do you honestly think they didn't spell this out internally?

 

Yes!!

[a700hitter]

Day 59 of the search for a chimp to pull the levers in the dugout.

[mvp 78]

If all he will be is a chimp, then why worry about time?

[User Name]

If all he will be is a chimp' date=' then why worry about time?[/quote']

 

Because some people need a reason to bitch and moan, and others need to demonstrate that they think they know the internal workings of the Red Sox FO.

 

#1 is bad, #2 is laughable.

[SoxSport]

Spelled out for whom? Ben? You? The media?

 

Do you honestly think they didn't spell this out internally?

 

I think Cherington is smart enough to know his authority isn't the same as Epstein.

 

Was it spelled out internally? I don't know. It should have been.

 

The public perception is fuzzy because of the whole interview process.

Lucchino/Henry showed the process was flawed by rejecting the finding (Sveum).

That's their fault--they created the process.

[a700hitter]

If all he will be is a chimp' date=' then why worry about time?[/quote']I'm bored that's all. I'm not worried about it. I think it is ridiculous that it is taking this long, but I am not worried about it. I really don't give a hoot about FO politics. They are probably a bunch of snakes. I only care about them getting a good product on the field. Right now, we are down one All Star from the team that collapsed in 2011. That's not heading in the right direction. I am waiting to see moves, but they seem preoccupied with the chimp, puppet in the dugout.

[VA Sox Fan]

Because some people need a reason to bitch and moan, and others need to demonstrate that they think they know the internal workings of the Red Sox FO.

 

#1 is bad, #2 is laughable.

 

 

Yeah, there are a lot of people like that out here these days.

[jete02fan]

kind of hard to believe Cherington and the FO seem to be split between Lamont and Valentine...well, maybe it does happen often, i just feel both parites should actually want the guy they plan to hiire...last thing you want is your manager smack in the middle of a GM-FO spat...i think you guys will be right there no matter who the skipper is...

[Red Foreman]

What are they working on right now-- getting a manager, or the Epstein compensation?

 

Maddon is supposed to be unavailable, yet there are stories the Cubs might interview him for manager.

 

Wake up, Cherington.

 

The Cubs already have a manager...

[SoxSport]

Well, you heard it first right here--it's all about power.

 

Imagine Cherington in a power struggle with his boss, Lucchino, over who picks the manager.

Ben thinks he's Theo.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/11/28/looks_like_theres_a_power_struggle_on_yawkey_way/

[jung]

I actually don't think the manager hunt is distracting the Sox from planning roster moves.

 

One item I would offer in that regard would be the timing of the arbitration offer to Ortiz. I suspect the Sox knew that there were changes in the wind with regard to both the luxury tax and compensation for FA signings not to mention the changes to rules regarding draftees. While the changes to the rules regarding draftees likely did not result in any delays in the Sox deliberations regarding players, the luxury tax and compensation rule changes surely had an impact.

 

Frankly if in fact the Sox wanted to see the changes in the new CBA, I would completely understand. Also I might suggest that for those that have been anxious that the Sox spend substantially more money than the tax threshold would allow for, the new tax rates are likely a blessing as they may well result in the Sox spending much more money this year than they would have otherwise.

[SoxSport]

The Cubs already have a manager...

 

Not when I wrote my post.

[mvp 78]

Well, you heard it first right here--it's all about power.

 

Imagine Cherington in a power struggle with his boss, Lucchino, over who picks the manager.

Ben thinks he's Theo.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/11/28/looks_like_theres_a_power_struggle_on_yawkey_way/

 

Linking the same Shank article again? WTH?

[VA Sox Fan]

Linking the same Shank article again? WTH?

 

[User Name]

Linking the same Shank article again? WTH?

 

You're like the voice of reason on this site.

[VA Sox Fan]

Lovullo out and it's down to two

 

Posted by Peter Abraham, Globe Staff November 28, 2011 05:10 PM

By Peter Abraham, Globe Staff

 

A few minor updates on the managerial situation:

 

• A team source says that Torey Lovullo has been eliminated from consideration.

 

• It will be either Gene Lamont or Bobby Valentine. No mystery candidate (John Farrell, Brad Mills, etc.) is in the running. So expect Lamont or Valentine to be named by the end of the week.

 

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