2012 Who will be our manager?

[jung]

Not sure there is an offset to the number of "experts" sighting the Cubs job as a better job to take than the Sox job. This is becoming an interesting dynamic. Managers preferring other destinations, players have been looking elsewhere more favorably....this trend is not helping matters.

[soxfan74]

Sox could expand there search if Sveum takes the Cubs job.

 

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

[a700hitter]

Maybe Wendell Kim is available if the Red Sox are fixated on hiring a former third base coach.

[SCM33]

still praying for Sandy Alomar Jr.

[SCM33]

He might be the smartest guy around, but will he be forceful enough to stand up to Cherington and Lucchino-and the players-if he thinks he is right?

I have no idea what his baseball IQ is; hopefully its much higher than mine. It should be, just as my "pediatrician IQ" should be much higher than his. He gets a shot at it. I am reserving judgement for now and joking a bit about it. Lets see how it plays out.

 

Any manager who is forceful enough to stand up to Cherington and Lucchino will have a short stay here.

 

We need a guy the players listen to and respect, thats it.

[mvp 78]

Any manager who is forceful enough to stand up to Cherington and Lucchino will have a short stay here.

 

We need a guy the players listen to and respect, thats it.

 

Yeah, it's be like an office manager standing up to the CEO and Board of Directors. They need someone who can follow their plan. I think some posters are either out of touch with reality or think the Sox are "sports entertainment" like the WWE.

[SoxFanForsyth]

This is a train wreck.

 

I'm getting awfully tired of this ownership group right now. The Cardinals went 12 days without a manager before they found one. Now the Cubs have gone 14 days without a manager before they found one.

 

But the Sox have gone 48 days and still no offers on the table? WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

[SoxSport]

Just read Abraham's article about Sveum.

 

I had a feeling yesterday the ownership was not quite on the same page as Cherington regarding Sveum. I read something about "more interviews are possible." My impression is that Cherington, as a newbie GM, is on a short leash, and Lucchino is probably running the show on major decisions.

 

Now the big letters in the lead at the Globe imply Sveum prefers the Cubs, but the small print in the article says Lucchino and Henry prefer someone with more major league managing experience. Translated, that could mean Valentine, as Cafardo has suggested. Apparently, Henry likes Valentine.

[User Name]

This is a train wreck.

 

I'm getting awfully tired of this ownership group right now. The Cardinals went 12 days without a manager before they found one. Now the Cubs have gone 14 days without a manager before they found one.

 

But the Sox have gone 48 days and still no offers on the table? WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

 

 

Terry Francona hiring process:

 

2004:

 

Terry Francona meets with the Red Sox: November 3.

 

Terry Francona goes for follow-up session: November 18.

 

Terry Francona gets second interview: November 19.

 

Terry Francona takes physical: November 26.

 

Terry Francona is officially announced as manager: December 04.

 

 

They have a process that they have laid out, and will probably not alter it because fans are losing sleep over it.

 

By the way, not having a manager in place didn't stop Curt Schilling from expressing his interest to go to the Sox, and Foulke's negotiations were very advanced by the time the Sox announced Francona.

[a700hitter]

It would be funny if after the Cubs introduce Sveum as their new manager that they offer him to us as compensation for Theo.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So the Sox got rid of Grady Little on 11/3, and Francona was getting his physical on 11/26? There are 23 days between those two.

 

As of today, 49 days have passed since Francona was officially let go. There's quite a difference there. If they stuck to their plan and even had a 30 day process, we would have had a new manager in before Halloween. Now, we're a week from Thanksgiving.

[User Name]

This offseason is different. The managerial search officially started when Cherington became GM.

[a700hitter]

So the Sox got rid of Grady Little on 11/3, and Francona was getting his physical on 11/26? There are 23 days between those two.

 

As of today, 49 days have passed since Francona was officially let go. There's quite a difference there. If they stuck to their plan and even had a 30 day process, we would have had a new manager in before Halloween. Now, we're a week from Thanksgiving.

My recollection is that the Tito hiring had a lot to do with Big Schill coming to Boston. Schill didn't agree to the trade until Thanksgiving. The Sox were probably waiting on his decision. If Schill said no, maybe they would have hired Maddon instead of Tito. Here there are no such considerations that have been made public.

[jung]

Maybe this process is taking longer because it is something of a sham. On the one hand JH and LL don't want to simply override a process and hire Valentine but on the other hand they might also be expecting that Cherington comes to them with Valentine as the top candidate so they can continue this sham.

 

I am not even sure that the whole "we want a guy with more managerial experience" thing might just be a cover. At any rate I won't be surprised if one day or at least someday we will be introduced to Valentine as the new Red Sox Manager.

 

This is very disconcerting though. Cherington goes through a process in fact, picks through five guys based on that process, presents his top guy and "No" nothing happens. At this point I think LL better clue Cherrington in as to who he and JH want and see if Cherington can live with that or Ben needs to figure it out for himself. If not Ben may have the shortest career as a GM in the history of MLB.

 

It does appear that this is an organization that did not even set priorities, agendas and standards for top hires BEFORE giving Cherington his marching orders.

 

This may be an organization with an ownership group and top management that just expects the GM to recognize that their slightest expressed inclinations one way or the other are actually "the marching orders". At the very least this reinforces the perception that JH and LL are going to rule this team with an iron fist. That in itself is going to narrow the field even further. Let's see how badly to I want to go manage a team where I am the hand picked choice of ownership (read lackey) only to eventually be run out of town on a rail.

[YAZMAN]

What about Eck? He's bright, a HoF'er who started and closed, knows pitching and the game well, and played a ton under one of MLB's premier managers with LaRussa.

 

Is it that he doesn't want to manage, or that he wouldn't be the puppet the FO wants? Certainly he'd clean up the clubhouse issues and run a tight ship, but is it that he's too upfront and outspoken for the brass?

[seabeachfred]

Any manager who is forceful enough to stand up to Cherington and Lucchino will have a short stay here.

 

We need a guy the players listen to and respect, thats it.

 

It's just my opinion but all evidence points to a manager who Duce Lucchino can control, pretty much the way Epstein used FrancoMa pretty much as his errand boy. The Boston Press is not hinting and not so quietly that there is evidence that the Boy Blunder actually had imput about who to put in the starting lineup. If we are going to go through this again why not just put a computer and printer in the dugout and the bumbling Bill James in charge. The fact that we still don't have a manager in place is utterly ridiculous, and if anyone points out we went through the same thing in after 2003 might be accused of being just a little disengenuous. In '03 we almost went to the WS and would have if one of our usual assortment of brainless managers had made the right move. This year it comes on the heels of the most miserable regular season collapse in baseball history---or certainly right there with the worst. There should be more urgency now because we're on the floor and need to pick ourselves up and start getting it right.

 

I also believe that a manager totally under the thumb of Lucchino and Cherington is a sure bet to keep the system we have in place in a broken condition. And how about an interview with Dave Martinez? We can'r get a Maddon; maybe his protege would be the answer. We sure don't need another FrancoMa.:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown

[seabeachfred]

Maybe this process is taking longer because it is something of a sham. On the one hand JH and LL don't want to simply override a process and hire Valentine but on the other hand they might also be expecting that Cherington comes to them with Valentine as the top candidate so they can continue this sham.

 

I am not even sure that the whole "we want a guy with more managerial experience" thing might just be a cover. At any rate I won't be surprised if one day or at least someday we will be introduced to Valentine as the new Red Sox Manager.

 

This is very disconcerting though. Cherington goes through a process in fact, picks through five guys based on that process, presents his top guy and "No" nothing happens. At this point I think LL better clue Cherrington in as to who he and JH want and see if Cherington can live with that or Ben needs to figure it out for himself. If not Ben may have the shortest career as a GM in the history of MLB.

 

It does appear that this is an organization that did not even set priorities, agendas and standards for top hires BEFORE giving Cherington his marching orders.

 

This may be an organization with an ownership group and top management that just expects the GM to recognize that their slightest expressed inclinations one way or the other are actually "the marching orders". At the very least this reinforces the perception that JH and LL are going to rule this team with an iron fist. That in itself is going to narrow the field even further. Let's see how badly to I want to go manage a team where I am the hand picked choice of ownership (read lackey) only to eventually be run out of town on a rail.

 

Jung, you're one thousand percent right. THIS WHOLE THING IS A SHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bellhorn04]

What about Eck? He's bright' date=' a HoF'er who started and closed, knows pitching [i']and[/i] the game well, and played a ton under one of MLB's premier managers with LaRussa.

 

Is it that he doesn't want to manage, or that he wouldn't be the puppet the FO wants? Certainly he'd clean up the clubhouse issues and run a tight ship, but is it that he's too upfront and outspoken for the brass?

 

Eck seems to me to be a guy whose baseball knowledge and insight leans heavily to the pitching component. As such, he might make an excellent pitching coach but I don't think he would be a good manager.

[User Name]

You guys are reading too much into this. It's all due process by a team with a new GM and an usually hands-off owner who has just become a hands-on owner because of last year's circumstances.

 

They will take their time and find a guy who all three think is the best for the job. And what's with the Valentine conspiracy theory? He wasn't even a finalist.

[FredLynn]

It's just my opinion but all evidence points to a manager who Duce Lucchino can control, pretty much the way Epstein used FrancoMa pretty much as his errand boy. The Boston Press is not hinting and not so quietly that there is evidence that the Boy Blunder actually had imput about who to put in the starting lineup. If we are going to go through this again why not just put a computer and printer in the dugout and the bumbling Bill James in charge. The fact that we still don't have a manager in place is utterly ridiculous, and if anyone points out we went through the same thing in after 2003 might be accused of being just a little disengenuous. In '03 we almost went to the WS and would have if one of our usual assortment of brainless managers had made the right move. This year it comes on the heels of the most miserable regular season collapse in baseball history---or certainly right there with the worst. There should be more urgency now because we're on the floor and need to pick ourselves up and start getting it right.

 

I also believe that a manager totally under the thumb of Lucchino and Cherington is a sure bet to keep the system we have in place in a broken condition. And how about an interview with Dave Martinez? We can'r get a Maddon; maybe his protege would be the answer. We sure don't need another FrancoMa.:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown

 

Apparently Martinez is not going to be considered because he is felt not to have enough experience:

 

Bradford from the Herald explains why neither Tim Wallach or Dave Martinez will get an interview for the Sox mgr job....

 

Tim Wallach won’t be next up in Red Sox manager search

 

MILWAUKEE — Speculation regarding potential names on the Red Sox list of candidates for the team’s vacant manager position was rekindled Wednesday night when Sox president Larry Lucchino and general manager Ben Cherington both said the organization was most likely going to expand its pool of interviewees.

 

Despite the likelihood that the team will meet with a new candidate, two names that still won’t be part of the process are Tim Wallach and Dave Martinez.

 

Wallach, who was once considered a leading candidate to be interviewed by the Red Sox for their search, has not been eligible to be included in the team’s interviewing process due to a clause in his contract with the Dodgers.

 

The 54-year-old, who has been serving as the Dodgers’ third base coach, has a stipulation in his current contract that states teams have a brief window after the season’s completion to ask for permission to interview Wallach for a managing job. The Red Sox did not ask for permission to talk to the former major league hitting coach and Triple-A manager prior to the expiration of that window.

 

Martinez, the Tampa Bay bench coach, fell out of consideration during the due diligence phase of the process, as he was simply viewed (by both the Sox and Cubs) as not being a strong enough candidate to justify an interview. Early on in the process, the 47-year-old’s name had been included in most conversations regarding who might be brought in for interviews by thosee teams.

 

Multiple reports stated late Wednesday night that Dale Sveum, a finalist for the Red Sox’ manager job, had been offered the Cubs’ managerial position. FoxSports.com reported that the Red Sox had not made Sveum an offer at the time of Chicago’s offer.

[jung]

And what's with the Valentine conspiracy theory? He wasn't even a finalist.

 

Valentine was neither a finalist nor part of the original group. However that was a group compiled by BC who apparently went through this process thinking he had his priorities straight and had picked based on standards that would result in the process bringing a candidate to the top. That did not happen. Hence, either he did not understand the priorities and standards that would inspire ownership and upper management or the whole damn thing is a sham with nobody being chosen until BC stumbles on the guy that JH his buddies at the top actually want.

[a700hitter]

It has been finalized. Next step is Theo sends Sveum to the Red Sox as compensation.

 

Dale Sveum To Manage Cubs

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 17, 2011 at 12:12pm CST]

 

The Cubs will hire Brewers hitting coach Dale Sveum to be their next manager, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (on Twitter). Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun Times hears that the Cubs may announce their next manager as soon as tomorrow (Twitter link) and suggests it will be Sveum. The Cubs offered the managerial job to Sveum yesterday.

 

Cubs president of baseball operations Theo Epstein would not confirm that the team offered Sveum the position, according to MLB.com's Carrie Muskat. However, Epstein said the process is in its final inning. “We’ve got to get the 27th out,” he said.

[Elktonnick]

It has been finalized. Next step is Theo sends Sveum to the Red Sox as compensation.

 

Can't say I am unhappy about the Cubs not the Red Sox getting Sveum. But the whole affair makes Cherington look foolish and inept.

[SoxSport]

Prediction: Bobby Valentine will be the next Red Sox manager.

 

Valentine and Lucchino were together at a function in Hartford on Nov. 3rd. Just read that in the Globe this aft. The Sox ownership has apparently gone over the FO heads. They want a manager with major league managing experience who has some clout. Sveum was not given an offer after a meeting with Lucchino and Henry.

 

It's clear Henry wants a name manager with experience, and Valentine appears to be the only one out there available.

 

Interesting that Henry, who is the no.1 sabermetrics guy on the Red Sox--an expert according to the Moneyball book--prefers a LaRussa-type manager at this point. My view is saber belongs in the FO with the GM and his staff--picking the right players. The manager has to be able to play chess.

[SoxSport]

My recollection is that the Tito hiring had a lot to do with Big Schill coming to Boston. Schill didn't agree to the trade until Thanksgiving. The Sox were probably waiting on his decision. If Schill said no' date=' maybe they would have hired Maddon instead of Tito. Here there are no such considerations that have been made public.[/quote']

 

I believe that. Schilling had a free reign in Philly when Tito was manager there. He could stay in the game as long as he wanted--which often was too long. The result was a shoulder operation. That didn't happen in Boston.

[SoxSport]

It has been finalized. Next step is Theo sends Sveum to the Red Sox as compensation.

 

I'm reading the Red Sox are still holding out for a major Cubs player. They are looking for a Garza or a Castro, or some other regular.

[seabeachfred]

Can't say I am unhappy about the Cubs not the Red Sox getting Sveum. But the whole affair makes Cherington look foolish and inept.

 

You have to keep in mind that it is a little of role reversal this time out. Before Epstein had control of the situation which he won in the Gorilla Suit caper in late 2005 while Duce Lucchino was sent to the sidelines. He called the shots and Fetch FrancoMa became his running dog. This time around the CEO Duce is running the show and GM Cherington (and I use that title loosely) is the fetcher. It looks like we might have a real dud of a GM on our hands now. He looks about as dumb from this event as possible.

[User Name]

I'm honestly astounded by some of the conclusions you guys are coming up with here hahaha.

[seabeachfred]

Prediction: Bobby Valentine will be the next Red Sox manager.

 

Valentine and Lucchino were together at a function in Hartford on Nov. 3rd. Just read that in the Globe this aft. The Sox ownership has apparently gone over the FO heads. They want a manager with major league managing experience who has some clout. Sveum was not given an offer after a meeting with Lucchino and Henry.

 

It's clear Henry wants a name manager with experience, and Valentine appears to be the only one out there available.

 

Interesting that Henry, who is the no.1 sabermetrics guy on the Red Sox--an expert according to the Moneyball book--prefers a LaRussa-type manager at this point. My view is saber belongs in the FO with the GM and his staff--picking the right players. The manager has to be able to play chess.

 

Excellent point in your last paragraph SoxSport. Keep the sabermetrics in the FO and let it pick some of the players needed, that along with trying to judge the character of the players it desires, something that the computer and its spread sheets and printouts can't do-----and then hire a good manager with clout and then get the hell out of his way. Bobby Valentine would be an excellent choice and he was some of our first choices from the get-go until we were told he wasn't in the running. He may still not be as Cherington looks more incompetent by the hour.

[a700hitter]

I'm reading the Red Sox are still holding out for a major Cubs player. They are looking for a Garza or a Castro' date=' or some other regular.[/quote']If we got Castro, I'd be completely giddy until opening day.