2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[SoxSport]

GammOHs says the Mets want Xander or Jacobs as well as Felix Doubront for Beltran. Can't be bothered to see if it's already been posted. I think thats about on par though.

 

take it and run, Theo. Better to have the Mets wait for Dubront to be healthy for a few minutes. Beltran could be a very useful DH in the AL in the future.

I get the impression Beltran is steering a deal to Boston and the AL. He sees the DH coming, too, in his future.

[SoxFanForsyth]

BTW' date=' I have a feeling something big is gonna go down with NY. Just like last yr, the Yankees are being linked with everyone, but nobody has any sort of solid info. The needs for NY are essentially another shutdown starter, a lefty reliever and a big time bat to DH. I have a feeling 2 of those needs get filled[/quote']

 

They need something. The Sox have been starting to get healthy again and could be set to go on a monster tear, especially if Buchholz gets back.

[SoxSport]

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/alex-speier/2011/07/21/counting-chips-how-industry-views-sox-prospect

 

After reading this, I get a couple of impressions:

 

1) it's far to early to be making any judgements on Iglesias' hitting. Most kids take a dip in their average coming up to AAA.

Plus he's only 21. 6 months in AAA and the kid can't hit? Phooey. He looked good circling the bases in Boston scoring the tying run. Speed will help his offense if he can get on base. just play all-star defense, kid.

 

2) time to deal Dubront. Overweight coming into ST? That tells me his injuries are due to a lack of conditioning. You suspect that with a few of the other Red Sox players. Tito is much too laid back to be running a boot camp in Ft Myers. Maybe that explains the slow starts.

[SoxFanForsyth]

After reading this, I get a couple of impressions:

 

1) it's far to early to be making any judgements on Iglesias' hitting. Most kids take a dip in their average coming up to AAA.

Plus he's only 21. 6 months in AAA and the kid can't hit? Phooey. He looked good circling the bases in Boston scoring the tying run. Speed will help his offense if he can get on base. just play all-star defense, kid.

 

2) time to deal Dubront. Overweight coming into ST? That tells me his injuries are due to a lack of conditioning. You suspect that with a few of the other Red Sox players. Tito is much too laid back to be running a boot camp in Ft Myers. Maybe that explains the slow starts.

 

I'm not sure about giving up Doubront +1. Especially not +Brandon Jacobs or +Xander Bogaerts. Jacobs may have the highest power ceiling in our minor leagues, and Bogaerts is a SS with "Above-average power potential and home run projection. High offensive ceiling. Potential run producing bat." (per SoxProspects).

 

I think Theo is a very smart GM and he will set a limit on what he is willing to give up for 2 months of a bat and no compensation picks. I'd give up Doubront by himself, but there's no way I'd give up our #10 Prospect (Doubront) + #13 (Bogaerts) or #17 (Jacobs).

 

If the Mets want Doubront + a lower level prospect, fine. But if they're asking for Doubront + Bogaerts or Jacobs, I think we can live with Reddick.

[ORS]

After reading this, I get a couple of impressions:

 

1) it's far to early to be making any judgements on Iglesias' hitting. Most kids take a dip in their average coming up to AAA.

Plus he's only 21. 6 months in AAA and the kid can't hit? Phooey. He looked good circling the bases in Boston scoring the tying run. Speed will help his offense if he can get on base. just play all-star defense, kid.

 

2) time to deal Dubront. Overweight coming into ST? That tells me his injuries are due to a lack of conditioning. You suspect that with a few of the other Red Sox players. Tito is much too laid back to be running a boot camp in Ft Myers. Maybe that explains the slow starts.

This is a constant theme from you, the lack of conditioning leading to injuries thing. While it's absolutely true that poor conditioning can be a contributor to injury, it's not safe to come to a 100% conclusion it is like you've done here. There are many examples of players whose conditioning is suspect and never seem to get hurt, and there are even more examples of players with excellent conditioning that can't seem to stay on the field. Many injuries have nothing at all to do with conditioning.

 

And, no, that doesn't explain the slow starts. I'm not there, but I'd be surprised if this year's ST was any different than any other year since Tito has been there, and this is the first year they started off slow. In fact, in recent years, the Sox have been quick out of the gate.

[a700hitter]

GammOHs says the Mets want Xander or Jacobs as well as Felix Doubront for Beltran. Can't be bothered to see if it's already been posted. I think thats about on par though.

Do it. I'd prefer just to pay the cash, but this is not a big price.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Do it. I'd prefer just to pay the cash' date=' but this is not a big price.[/quote']

 

Maybe Doubront + Bogaerts, but absolutely 110% not Brandon Jacobs. This guy is going to be special when he matures.

[SoxSport]

This is a constant theme from you, the lack of conditioning leading to injuries thing. While it's absolutely true that poor conditioning can be a contributor to injury, it's not safe to come to a 100% conclusion it is like you've done here. There are many examples of players whose conditioning is suspect and never seem to get hurt, and there are even more examples of players with excellent conditioning that can't seem to stay on the field. Many injuries have nothing at all to do with conditioning.

 

And, no, that doesn't explain the slow starts. I'm not there, but I'd be surprised if this year's ST was any different than any other year since Tito has been there, and this is the first year they started off slow. In fact, in recent years, the Sox have been quick out of the gate.

 

100% conclusion?

How do you know an injury is not due to a lack of conditoning?

 

I'm stating facts I've read. Dubront went into ST overweight. Sportswriters have said some Red Sox players looked like they weren't well-conditioned early in the season.

 

Is there a correlation between conditioning and injuries? You betcha.

 

Ever try to run a few miles without pre-stretching exercises?

 

I watched Garciapara when he was young doing stretch exercises on the ground before and after ST games in Ft Myers.

 

Conditioning is critical in avoiding injuries. The older you get, the more critical.

[Interestedobserver]

Do it. I'd prefer just to pay the cash' date=' but this is not a big price.[/quote']

 

Which is why they can probably beat it elsewhere. The Mets sounded like they were ready to deal yesterday, and teams pulled back. Whoever comes up with the best deal at the wire gets him. That's not the best the Sox can do. Also, Carlos wants to stay in the NL, although he likes Boston. He's a proud guy, and doesn't want to DH.

[example1]

GammOHs says the Mets want Xander or Jacobs as well as Felix Doubront for Beltran. Can't be bothered to see if it's already been posted. I think thats about on par though.

 

They may want that, but I think it is too much to pay for a 3 month rental. The Sox think very highly of Xander and Jacobs. The Mets should be lucky to get one MLB regular out of this deal (Doubront should be able to contribute to their rotation in 2-3 years).

 

The Mets aren't trading a young, home-grown superstar like Adrian Gonzalez. They are trading a guy who is regularly injured and who won't return draft picks at the end of the year. They might be able to get that type of talent elsewhere, but I suspect the Sox will not be interested in a deal like that one.

[example1]

Maybe Doubront + Bogaerts' date=' but absolutely 110% not Brandon Jacobs. This guy is going to be special when he matures.[/quote']

 

The same thing can be said of Bogaerts, no? True 5 tool potential and at a very young age at a key position. This is a guy who is at Greenville at 18 years old and he has 6 HR at a defensive premium position. He's one of their better prospects.

[Thunder]

Hey guys the teams that want Beltran are the Sox, Giants, Brewers, Braves, and Phillies, all of which are contenders. Beltran can reject any trade, but says he wants to stay in the NL. That only eliminates the Sox. But, if we offer Reddick...

[a700hitter]

Yankees Sign Marcus Thames

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 22 at 8:58am CST]

 

The Yankees signed Marcus Thames to a minor league deal, according to George A. King III of the New York Post. The 34-year-old, who played for the Yankees in 2002 and 2010, will report to the Yankees' minor league complex before he's assigned to Triple-A. Thames hit .288/.350/.491 in a part-time role with the Yankees last year, adding 12 home runs.

 

The Dodgers released Thames this week after a disappointing stint in which he hit .197/.243/.333 in 70 plate appearances. Though the Dodgers acquired the 34-year-old for his ability to hit left-handed pitching (.824 career OPS), he struggled against southpaws, posting just a .167/.231/.306 line. In ten big league seasons, he has a .246/.309/.485 line with 115 homers.

[AtWork]

GammOHs says the Mets want Xander or Jacobs as well as Felix Doubront for Beltran. Can't be bothered to see if it's already been posted. I think thats about on par though.

 

I'd be fine with that price, but I imagine it would take more than that.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The same thing can be said of Bogaerts' date=' no? True 5 tool potential and at a very young age at a key position. This is a guy who is at Greenville at 18 years old and he has 6 HR at a defensive premium position. He's one of their better prospects.[/quote']

 

The only reason I am ok with Bogaerts is that he projects as a 3B or a corner OF as he builds strength, and we have Middlebrooks and Vitek logjammed at 3B, and Jacobs, Brentz, etc for OF. But you're right, he's got potential to be a stud. I would feel sick if we had to give him up, but that feeling could be turned if Beltran comes in and helps us win a world series.

[Dojji]

I'd be fine with that price' date=' but I imagine it would take more than that.[/quote']

 

That's a pretty heavy price tag for 2 months of an aging outfielder. Xander Bogaerts is probably going to wind up at third base,he has tons of raw ability. Jacobs has virtually unlimited power potential. And Doubront could be starting for the Sox right now if that was the direction the franchise wanted to go. So basically an MLB ready pitcher and a very high ceiling stud A baller. Sure they're "just" prospects, but I just run Reddick out there and hope for the best. Seems saner.

[SoxFanForsyth]

That's a pretty heavy price tag for 2 months of an aging outfielder. Xander Bogaerts is probably going to wind up at third base' date='he has tons of raw ability. Jacobs has virtually unlimited power potential. And Doubront could be starting for the Sox right now if that was the direction the franchise wanted to go. So basically an MLB ready pitcher and a very high ceiling stud A baller. Sure they're "just" prospects, but I just run Reddick out there and hope for the best. Seems saner.[/quote']

 

I agree. If that's the price tag for Beltran, I hang up. That would be a stupid trade. Like I said, I'd go Doubront straight up, Reddick straight up, but those are the two best offers I make to the Mets. If another team wants to be an idiot and overpay and outbid me, fine, I've got a guy hitting .380 and crushing LHP that I can roll with.

[AtWork]

That's a pretty heavy price tag for 2 months of an aging outfielder. Xander Bogaerts is probably going to wind up at third base' date='he has tons of raw ability. Jacobs has virtually unlimited power potential. And Doubront could be starting for the Sox right now if that was the direction the franchise wanted to go. So basically an MLB ready pitcher and a very high ceiling stud A baller. Sure they're "just" prospects, but I just run Reddick out there and hope for the best. Seems saner.[/quote']

 

Maybe I just don't value Doubront enough. At second thought, that package would fit the bill of 1 or 2 of our best prospects which I've said from the outstart that it would take.

[Dojji]

Maybe I just don't value Doubront enough. .

 

He's pretty easy to underrate.

 

I can see why trading him isn't a big deal in fans' minds since he seems to be a bit of a tweener at the moment, but Doubront is a guy who can help us if he gets the opportunity.

 

Boston needs to stop this habit of dismissing any non top prospect's chances to crack the rotation and going out to sign a guy instead of using their own prospects outside the top 10. Weakens the team as a whole. Leave yourself open to the concept of being pleasantly surprised and don't try to outguess yourself, Theo.

[jacksonianmarch]

But you also run into the possibility that said "outside the top 10" player gets smoked on the big stage and any trade stock he had just goes out the window. Doubront will never be a top notch starter, IMO. He looks more like a lefty reliever to me or a back of the rotation NL starter. He is the kind of guy you deal for a rental

[SoxFanForsyth]

But you also run into the possibility that said "outside the top 10" player gets smoked on the big stage and any trade stock he had just goes out the window. Doubront will never be a top notch starter' date=' IMO. He looks more like a lefty reliever to me or a back of the rotation NL starter. He is the kind of guy you deal for a rental[/quote']

 

I don't think anyone has a problem trading Doubront straight up. It's when you add Bogaerts or Jacobs to the package that makes it too much.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacobs is too much as he is looking like he may be a big time stud. Bogaerts though is the kind of you who gets dealt as a second fiddle here. Nobody deals a prime time player like Beltran for a fringy lefty straight up. It's always a package. My guess is that Theo is happy enough with the production he should get out of Reddick from here on to forgo dealing away a package he isnt comfortable with.

[Dojji]

Not when you consider what he's done, the level he's doing it at and his age. Playing passably well as a shortstop with patience and power amply demonstrated in mid A at age 18 is something to take seriously.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Lavarnway is hitting .469/.564/.1000 vs LHP in AAA in 32 AB this year. It's really too bad that we can't get him out in RF in a platoon situation.

[Dojji]

He just doesn't have the mobility to play a big league corner outfield post. You're right though, it is a pity.

 

If we could just find him a position Lavarnway would kill it for us. Trade Ortiz. I'm only about half joking.

[SoxFanForsyth]

He just doesn't have the mobility to play a big league corner outfield post. You're right though, it is a pity.

 

If we could just find him a position Lavarnway would kill it for us. Trade Ortiz. I'm only about half joking.

 

The guy is clearly not being challenged in AAA ball. He's hitting AAA pitching as well as I would expect guys like Ortiz, Gonzo, and Pedroia to rip them. Not at all saying he's going to turn into that caliber of a hitter, I'm saying he's hitting the ball as well as anyone could expect a plus MLB hitter to hit it.

 

We gotta find a way to hide his glove somewhere.

[example1]

Jacobs is too much as he is looking like he may be a big time stud. Bogaerts though is the kind of you who gets dealt as a second fiddle here. Nobody deals a prime time player like Beltran for a fringy lefty straight up. It's always a package. My guess is that Theo is happy enough with the production he should get out of Reddick from here on to forgo dealing away a package he isnt comfortable with.

 

No he isn't. Theo remembers Hanley Ramirez and wishes they didn't have to part with him. I would be surprised if he were to trade away arguibly their best 18 year old prospect for a couple months of n injury prone Beltran. That has potential disaster written all over it.

 

Maybe instead of Doubront they move Weiland and nothing more.

[boston22407]

According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Carlos Beltran sweepstakes has been narrowed down to five teams.

That would be the Red Sox, Giants, Phillies, Braves and Rangers. Olney reports the Pirates and Guardians are "basically out of the conversation." The Giants have the greatest need, but all five clubs should have the pieces to land Beltran if they are serious about making a deal.

[boston22407]

According to ESPN's Jerry Crasnick, the Padres are most focused on moving Heath Bell, Chad Qualls, Aaron Harang and Ryan Ludwick ahead of next Sunday's non-waiver trade deadline.

Noticeably absent from that list is Mike Adams. Although it's not a certainty he will not be dealt, a desperate team could be willing to offer San Diego the huge bounty they are believed to be seeking for their soon-to-be 33-year-old righty, it's looking more and more likely he'll still be with the Padres on August 1 while closer Heath Bell will be elsewhere. If he's still on your team's wire, now is the time to pounce.

[boston22407]

According to Sports Illustrated's Jon Heyman, Hiroki Kuroda may be willing to waive his full no-trade clause "on a case-by-case basis."

The word has been out that Kuroda would prefer not to be dealt to the East Coast, though it sounds like he could be amenable to it if the right situation arose. According to Heyman, the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Guardians and Rangers have all expressed at least some degree of interest in the Dodgers righty.