2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[a700hitter]

The Globe is running a story saying Ricciardi, Alderson's assitant, was seen scouting the Portland Sea Dogs in Maine last night. That could mean the Mets are looking at AA prospects for Beltran. They also added Reyes as a possibility, though Reyes would command more than AA prospects.

 

This shows the Red Sox are actively pursuing Beltran--in my view. And are willing to give up AA level prospects. It tells me 1) Beltran wants to play in Boston, and 2) maybe the Mets would prefer to deal Beltran away from the Phillies and the Braves. It also gives the Sox an option to extend Beltran next year as a part-time outfielder and DH option in case Papi becomes too expensive.

 

It looks to me Beltran is very much in the picture.

This is long hanging fruit. Theo needs to get this done.

[Dojji]

I'd part with Federowicz for Beltran if it comes to that. Taking Lavarnway, Salty, and the fact that Varitek is still capable of at least playing backup, we don't really need FedEx so badly, and his brilliant D and adequate bat might intrigue NYM. It's a pretty good balance of a well regarded prospect and a guy we can spare.

[AtWork]

The Globe is running a story saying Ricciardi, Alderson's assitant, was seen scouting the Portland Sea Dogs in Maine last night. That could mean the Mets are looking at AA prospects for Beltran. They also added Reyes as a possibility, though Reyes would command more than AA prospects.

 

This shows the Red Sox are actively pursuing Beltran--in my view. And are willing to give up AA level prospects. It tells me 1) Beltran wants to play in Boston, and 2) maybe the Mets would prefer to deal Beltran away from the Phillies and the Braves. It also gives the Sox an option to extend Beltran next year as a part-time outfielder and DH option in case Papi becomes too expensive.

 

It looks to me Beltran is very much in the picture.

 

Or they could have had scouts at the game because the Sea Dogs were playing the Mets AA team

[AtWork]

The Red Sox aren't willing to part with the prospects the Mets want, according to Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com. The Mets are interested in Josh Reddick, Ryan Kalish, Jose Iglesias, Anthony Ranaudo, Felix Doubront and Will Middlebrooks, according to Edes. Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald hears that the Red Sox are focusing on internal solutions, particularly Reddick.

 

One MLB official says the Rockies never seriously intended to deal Jimenez, according to Jayson Stark of ESPN.com (on Twitter). It still sounds like he's staying put.

The return in a Jimenez trade "would have to blow everybody away," GM Dan O'Dowd told Woody Paige of the Denver Post.

The Rockies have yet to receive a single official offer for Jimenez, report Yahoo's Tim Brown and Jeff Passan. The Tigers, Reds, and Yankees are said to be the "most smitten" clubs. The writers add that a Tigers package would have to include pitching prospect Jacob Turner, the Reds would have to part with catcher Devin Mesoraco, and the Rockies inquired on Jesus Montero and Manny Banuelos of the Yankees.

[Dojji]

I can't think of one of those guys I'd swap for Beltran.

[BornToRun]

The Mets can go and get f***ed if that's what they're looking for, I say we pick up a Reed Johnson/Josh Willingham and put him on the bench and ride it out with Reddick for the rest of the year. I think we should be looking for pitching.

[a700hitter]

The Mets can go and get f***ed if that's what they're looking for' date=' I say we pick up a Reed Johnson/Josh Willingham and put him on the bench and ride it out with Reddick for the rest of the year. I think we should be looking for pitching.[/quote']And in the World Series the Phillies pitching will tear through our lineup without Ortiz.

[Dojji]

And if we get that far, it's because the team has dealt with good pitching, so your point is moot.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

And in the World Series the Phillies pitching will tear through our lineup without Ortiz.

 

I love how every one of your posts says that it is going to be us and the Phillies in the World Series. I am going to laugh(and be angry, obviously) if neither makes it.

 

 

Let's focus on the road there first. That is more important.

[a700hitter]

And if we get that far' date=' it's because the team has dealt with good pitching, so your point is moot.[/quote']No it's not. Did you see how poorly the offense performed without Ortiz in the interleague play? We have performed well against good pitching with Ortiz in the lineup, but not without him. If you think that sitting him for 4 games in a 7 game series will not seriously impair the Sox chances of victory against any sort of pitching, then you must be crazy.

[a700hitter]

I love how every one of your posts says that it is going to be us and the Phillies in the World Series. I am going to laugh(and be angry, obviously) if neither makes it.

 

 

Let's focus on the road there first. That is more important.

The Sox will get to the playoffs without making any moves. Winning the Series will be difficult no matter who they face, because Ortiz will be sitting for 4 of the 7 games.

[AtWork]

Why would the Red Sox sit Ortiz? They've had him play 1st base previously in World Series away games. Besides, even if he did sit every game it's not worth giving up one or two of our best prospects for the possibility that Beltran could play in 4 away games in a World Series.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

And if we get that far' date=' it's because the team has dealt with good pitching, so your point is moot.[/quote']

 

 

Didn't see this before my post. But this is exactly right. Plenty of good pitching has been destroyed this year by the sox. Even lefthanders.

 

 

If our pitching staff is healthy, which it is on the way to being right now, then this team matches up with the Phillies pretty well. Factor in our offense, even with Ortiz sitting in an NL park(and factoring the addition of Crawford who wasn't around for interleauge) then things like pretty good and not panic worthy.

[a700hitter]

Didn't see this before my post. But this is exactly right. Plenty of good pitching has been destroyed this year by the sox. Even lefthanders.

 

Not with Ortiz sitting on the bench. We have trouble with Guthrie when Ortiz is sitting.

[Dojji]

People need to stop holding up the Philly rotation as some sort of unbeatable boogeyman. It's good, but so is our lineup -- with or without Beltran. It'll come down who our #3 starter is if we do meet them in the playoffs.

[Dojji]

Not with Ortiz sitting on the bench. We have trouble with Guthrie when Ortiz is sitting.

 

If you want a slump proof lineup good luck. Such a thing is completely and utterly impossible.

 

Good pitching will always beat good hitting. No matter how good the hitting is. You can journey through time and bring up a complete dream team of all the best players in history, and a good pitcher who's on his game will shut them down. There's no getting around that.

 

Besides, Guthrie's not a bad pitcher. It's just his misfortune to be an Oriole.

[BornToRun]

The Sox will get to the playoffs without making any moves. Winning the Series will be difficult no matter who they face' date=' because Ortiz will be sitting for 4 of the 7 games.[/quote']

 

We were also sans Crawford and Darnell McDonald was hitting 5th every night. CC's back and in the playoffs, McDonald's sorry ass doesn't even sniff the lineup. Our pitching can at least match up to theirs and we have decent history against Lee and Halladay, they're not invinicible. Would I like Beltran? Yes. Would I give what the Mets are asking to get for him? I'd rather sit through a presentation of John Sterling going over every one of his stupid homerun calls.

[a700hitter]

If you want a slump proof lineup good luck. Such a thing is completely and utterly impossible.

 

Good pitching will always beat good hitting. No matter how good the hitting is. You can journey through time and bring up a complete dream team of all the best players in history, and a good pitcher who's on his game will shut them down. There's no getting around that.

 

Besides, Guthrie's not a bad pitcher. It's just his misfortune to be an Oriole.

Pulling out a key piece from a lineup in a short series is very hard to overcome. It doesn't matter who the opponent would be. Ortiz makes the guys around him better. The whole dynamic of the lineup changes without him. A lineup with Reddick, Salty, Scutaro and the pitcher as the bottom 4 is much less fearsome. Beltran would help immensely.

[BossSox]

The Mets can go and get f***ed if that's what they're looking for' date=' I say we pick up a Reed Johnson/Josh Willingham and put him on the bench and ride it out with Reddick for the rest of the year. I think we should be looking for pitching.[/quote']

They should try to get Gio Gonzalez (it was suggested in an article). I mean they only have one lefty in the rotation and Gio's on fire. The price would probably be too high though.

[BornToRun]

If you want a slump proof lineup good luck. Such a thing is completely and utterly impossible.

 

Good pitching will always beat good hitting. No matter how good the hitting is. You can journey through time and bring up a complete dream team of all the best players in history, and a good pitcher who's on his game will shut them down. There's no getting around that.

 

Besides, Guthrie's not a bad pitcher. It's just his misfortune to be an Oriole.

 

I think that cliche isn't always true, I get what you're saying and agree with most of what you've been saying but I don't think it's as simple as that. I'm still siding with you on this one though.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Not with Ortiz sitting on the bench. We have trouble with Guthrie when Ortiz is sitting.

 

1. You're talking about a few series where Carl Crawford was missing, Darnell McDonald was hitting 5th, and we had Mike Cameron in the lineup. The lineup, even without acquiring Beltran, will be nothing like that come October in NL parks.

 

2. You cite 1 game in a 3 game series... They could of easily lost that game even with Ortiz. The entire team pretty much got shut down that day. You don't even mention the fact that the Sox scored 15 runs in the other game, and won 4-0 in the other... What's the point of even using that game in your arguement?

[BornToRun]

They should try to get Gio Gonzalez (it was suggested in an article). I mean they only have one lefty in the rotation and Gio's on fire. The price would probably be too high though.

 

That and I doubt Beane will be interested, he's young pitching. Not only that, he's left-handed. Even if available, I can see the price being very high.

 

EDIT: On the subject of playing in the NL parks, is it possible to put AGon out there in right again? Philly's right field isn't too tough, assuming we do get Philly.

[MNSoxChief102]

While I certainly would be upset to see the Sox overreact and give away a top level prospect for Beltran, I wouldn't be at all opposed to putting together a big package to get Hunter Pence. You don't trade away blue chip prospects for veteran players who's best years are behind them, but to get a guy in his prime like Pence, it's something to consider.

 

A package consisting of Iglesias, Reddick, Weiland/Doubront, and another mid-level guy would be where I'd start. It would dent our farm system for sure, but we'd still have Renaudo and Kalish waiting in the wings, and given Theo's excellence in stockpiling draft picks and finding really good players throughout the draft I'd be willing to do it to get a guy like Pence in the fold.

 

I can only imagine how awesome our offense would be with Pence in RF... he would be a monster in Fenway IMO

[BornToRun]

While I certainly would be upset to see the Sox overreact and give away a top level prospect for Beltran, I wouldn't be at all opposed to putting together a big package to get Hunter Pence. You don't trade away blue chip prospects for veteran players who's best years are behind them, but to get a guy in his prime like Pence, it's something to consider.

 

A package consisting of Iglesias, Reddick, Weiland/Doubront, and another mid-level guy would be where I'd start. It would dent our farm system for sure, but we'd still have Renaudo and Kalish waiting in the wings, and given Theo's excellence in stockpiling draft picks and finding really good players throughout the draft I'd be willing to do it to get a guy like Pence in the fold.

 

I can only imagine how awesome our offense would be with Pence in RF... he would be a monster in Fenway IMO

 

The reports are that it would take a massive overpay to land Pence, one I'm not sure we should make.

[BossSox]

That and I doubt Beane will be interested, he's young pitching. Not only that, he's left-handed. Even if available, I can see the price being very high.

 

EDIT: On the subject of playing in the NL parks, is it possible to put AGon out there in right again? Philly's right field isn't too tough, assuming we do get Philly.

Well we have to make a move for a pitcher. The 4th and 5th spots in the rotation are somewhat f***ed. I know it's highly unlikely but I wish they got Ubaldo. He's one of my favorite pitchers in the NL and after the no hitter he has shown that he has the potential to do great things. That price tag would be insane as well. Going after Beltran isn't going to make a huge difference. At the end of the day it all comes down to who has the best pitching. Look at the 2010 Giants for example; no they didn't have an amazing lineup like the 2011 Sox, but they sure had one thing: PITCHING.

[BornToRun]

What about Aaron Harang, guy's putting up solid numbers with the Padres. I don't think he'd cost too much and is definately available. I can see him being a low 4 ERA guy at the back of the rotation. His numbers are decently in line with career averages when you factor in the park he plays in, move him to Fenway and a regression hits I'm sure but I think he could be a solid anchor to the tail end of our rotation for the final two months.

[BossSox]

You just can't expect an all star at every position. I always thought the 2004 Yankees lineup was dangerous with Giambi, Sheffield, A-roid, Jeter, Matsui, etc. But now I think that we're exceeding that.

[BornToRun]

Well we have to make a move for a pitcher. The 4th and 5th spots in the rotation are somewhat f***ed. I know it's highly unlikely but I wish they got Ubaldo. He's one of my favorite pitchers in the NL and after the no hitter he has shown that he has the potential to do great things. That price tag would be insane as well. Going after Beltran isn't going to make a huge difference. At the end of the day it all comes down to who has the best pitching. Look at the 2010 Giants for example; no they didn't have an amazing lineup like the 2011 Sox' date=' but they sure had one thing: PITCHING.[/quote']

 

I want Garza, badly, but the Cubs are douches and refuse to trade him. I'd put together a package for him and Jeff Baker. That's a deal where I'd consider giving up some of our top minor league talent.

 

Edit: Chad Billingsley also looks like a very good option as well, quietly having a pretty solid season.

[a700hitter]

1. You're talking about a few series where Carl Crawford was missing' date=' Darnell McDonald was hitting [b']5th[/b], and we had Mike Cameron in the lineup. The lineup, even without acquiring Beltran, will be nothing like that come October in NL parks.

 

2. You cite 1 game in a 3 game series... They could of easily lost that game even with Ortiz. The entire team pretty much got shut down that day. You don't even mention the fact that the Sox scored 15 runs in the other game, and won 4-0 in the other... What's the point of even using that game in your arguement?

It was one of the few games that Ortiz has missed other than interleague games, and it was yesterday-- easy to remember. We also underperformed today without Ortiz. Arieta has a 5+ ERA and the O's pen sucks. Yet, we only got 4 runs.

[MNSoxChief102]

The reports are that it would take a massive overpay to land Pence' date=' one I'm not sure we should make.[/quote']

 

To get a guy like Pence you have to pay a premium. He's not a 34 year old guy that will be here for 3 months for a pennant run and then head off to a team willing to pay him way more than he's worth. He's a 28 year old two time All Star that's in the prime of his career,with speed, defensive skill, and capable of hitting for average/power. Guy's like that don' t grow on trees.

 

If we can make the package one in which we don't dump all of our best prospects, I'm all for it. Giving up one really good player plus a group of guys capable of becoming a solid player down the road would be something I'd be fine with doing. I think Theo is smart enough to understand that and if he really wants Pence, he'll make it happen without sacrificing our best players.