Yankees 2010-2011 Hotstove Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

I've been saying this all along and I do beleive Jeter will get what he wants by the end of it.

 

Same with Mo

 

Aside from marketing, tell me why the Yankees cannot live without Jeter?

[WhiskeyBreath]

Aside from marketing' date=' tell me why the Yankees cannot live without Jeter?[/quote']

 

Of course they can live without Jeter, but seeing how he is going to retire a NYY, you pull this type of s*** with this guy.

[Divinity]

Really?

 

Publicly calling out Jeter like they have been is a disgrace. There's no need to air this stuff out in the media. I just don't get it. They are looking like the Red Sox with these negotiations.

 

Jeter's side fired the first shot with they "baffling" comment, plus airing it out will let all the fans know that the Yankees wanted Jeter back but that he decided he didn't want to if he doesn't resign.

[Spudboy]

I am enjoying this Jeter folly.

 

It doesn't matter who fired the first salvo.

 

Jeter's agent is guilty of malfeasance. And Jeter has a case of Papi-itis.

 

No team in their right mind will offer more than the Yankees.

 

He's a 36 y.o. SS worth 6-9 mil for 2 years at most.

 

His value is best realized in pinstripes. Hence the generous 3/45 offer from the Yankees.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Jeter's side fired the first shot with they "baffling" comment' date=' plus airing it out will let all the fans know that the Yankees wanted Jeter back but that he decided he didn't want to if he doesn't resign.[/quote']

 

Ooooooh, he said "baffling". Big time s*** right there.

[Keeper]

Regardless of how Jacko and Y228 see the negotiations, the general perception is the Yankees are dicking around with Jeter. Their offer was more than fair, but publicly daring him to try the open market is a big slap in the face to the face of the franchise.

[jacksonianmarch]

That is not the general perception where it matters. I can tell you most actual Yankee fans are perfectly fine with a pay cut for Jeter

[jacksonianmarch]

Yankees signed Neal Cotts the other day. Was a good reliever between the Chicago clubs then fell off the map. He's a lefty which is a bonus, but I consider him a la Royce Ring last yr. Lefty insurance should Logan suck, Marte not come back at the ASB and whichever lefty we sign via FA doesnt pan out

[ORS]

That is not the general perception where it matters. I can tell you most actual Yankee fans are perfectly fine with a pay cut for Jeter

Define "actual".

 

Point being, that sounds like condescending code for "pink hats", and I think the pink hats for all clubs that have them probably outnumber the the diehards by a large margin, and the executives aren't interested in whether or not you are an "actual" Yankee fan, but just want you engaged and spending money. In other words, to the execs, those "pink hats" are actual fans that represent actual dollars.

[a700hitter]

Define "actual".

 

Point being, that sounds like condescending code for "pink hats", and I think the pink hats for all clubs that have them probably outnumber the the diehards by a large margin, and the executives aren't interested in whether or not you are an "actual" Yankee fan, but just want you engaged and spending money. In other words, to the execs, those "pink hats" are actual fans that represent actual dollars.

Just because you consider yourself to be a real fan and you don't go to the games doesn't mean that the people who go to the games are pink hats or that the pink hats spend more money than real fans. There is not a shred of logic or fact to back up that assertion. Since you follow most of the games on GameDay, I guess you must also conclude that mostly pink hats have MLB Xtra Innings.

[jacksonianmarch]

Define "actual".

 

Point being, that sounds like condescending code for "pink hats", and I think the pink hats for all clubs that have them probably outnumber the the diehards by a large margin, and the executives aren't interested in whether or not you are an "actual" Yankee fan, but just want you engaged and spending money. In other words, to the execs, those "pink hats" are actual fans that represent actual dollars.

 

I see your point. Then again, what reasonable human being is going to look at Jeter's last season, his age, and his position and justify how the guy could ask for more than what is being brought to the table? I thought 3yrs $45 mil was an outrageous offer

[ORS]

The same people who think last year was just an off year. There are plenty of them, you know this is true. I mean, "He's Jetuh!"

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Jeter did have an "off year" but I also dont think that any Yankee fan who actually watches the games thinks he is what he was a decade ago. I think his bat has more upside than a .270 hitter for 2011, although I doubt we ever see the .330 of 2009 or a UZR higher than -5 ever again. The fact is, a 36yr old minus defensive SS who hits .290 with a .750OPS is worth WAYYY less than $15 mil per.

[BSN07]

Mariano Rivera will have many teams looking to pry him away from the Bronx if negotiations with the Yankees sour, according to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News.

 

This is the deal I'm hoping goes south for the Yankees. Sign Jeter long term and lose Mo would be best case scenario

[Divinity]

This is the deal I'm hoping goes south for the Yankees. Sign Jeter long term and lose Mo would be best case scenario

 

Except in reality they'll sign Jeter short term and keep Mo for 2 more years.

[Keeper]

Except in reality they'll sign Jeter short term and keep Mo for 2 more years.

 

Jeter will likely get 4 years. That's not a short term deal.

[Keeper]

Yankees signed Neal Cotts the other day. Was a good reliever between the Chicago clubs then fell off the map. He's a lefty which is a bonus' date=' but I consider him a la Royce Ring last yr. Lefty insurance should Logan suck, Marte not come back at the ASB and whichever lefty we sign via FA doesnt pan out[/quote']

 

What's up with the Yankees getting former White Sox lefty relievers? Marte, Logan, now Cotts. Hopefully, you guys never get Thornton.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jeter will likely get 4 years. That's not a short term deal.

 

I doubt that he gets more than 3

[BSN07]

I doubt that he gets more than 3

 

Then the will likely give him more money on the 3 year offer. Which isn't exactly short term either. That's a serious investment for a lot of teams.

[BSN07]

Derek Jeter’s representatives are asking for at least $80MM more than the Yankees are willing to offer in negotiations for the free agent shortstop, according to Bill Madden of the New York Daily News. The starting point for Jeter and agent Casey Close was six years and $150MM, according to Madden, who reports that the Jeter camp is not budging from demands for a $25MM annual salary. Alex Rodriguez’s contract “is at the cruz of Jeter’s and Close’s stance,” according to Madden.

 

Wow..

[jacksonianmarch]

And people think the yanks are the ones docking around Derek

[BSN07]

And people think the yanks are the ones docking around Derek

 

It's becoming a more interesting story then I thought it would. I don't care about the outcome either way, it's just made for some entertaining reading.

[example1]

I actually do care. I can't wait for the day when Jeter, Mariano, Pettitte and Posada aren't part of the team any more.

[Cocos Disciples]

I actually do care. I can't wait for the day when Jeter' date=' Mariano, Pettitte and Posada aren't part of the team any more.[/quote']

 

And Hanley, Soria, Lee and Montero are!

[example1]

And Hanley' date=' Soria, Lee and Montero are![/quote']

 

I will take Soria coming into the game 10 times out of 10 if it means Rivera isn't.

 

When the Red Sox broke up the Manny and Ortiz duo many people assumed that they could replace it with other equally skilled players. Instead, we've seen that it isn't easy to replace a Gehrig/Ruthian combination. This doesn't mean it is impossible to put a competitive team on the field, just that it usually isn't a 1:1 fix (i.e., they aren't likely to get a Jeter equivalent in terms of overall impact on the franchise).

 

Jeter is on the short list of greatest Yankees of all time. Rivera is undoubtedly the best big-inning reliever of all time. Both are PRE-first ballot hall of famers (the ballots are a mere formality). I'll take my chances that some other player will fold under pressure, struggle with injuries, be a clubhouse douchebag, or just not be a good fit for NY (like AJ Burnett, Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson, etc.,).

[yankees228]

The Yankees don't need Derek Jeter, but Derek Jeter needs the Yankees (because no team will be willing to pay him close to what the Yankees are). Make that 3/45 offer a take it or leave it deal, give him a week to sign. At that point, if he doesn't accept, move on and replace his bat with Crawford.

[Palodios]

If the Yankees put Izturis at SS, I'd be okay with them replacing Gardner with Crawford.

[ORS]

Just because you consider yourself to be a real fan and you don't go to the games doesn't mean that the people who go to the games are pink hats or that the pink hats spend more money than real fans. There is not a shred of logic or fact to back up that assertion. Since you follow most of the games on GameDay' date=' I guess you must also conclude that mostly pink hats have MLB Xtra Innings.[/quote']

What is this gibberish? I made one assumption in that post, and one only, that the people that most consider "pink hats" outnumber the diehards. Where are you getting these accusations pointed at me from what I posted?

[a700hitter]

What is this gibberish? I made one assumption in that post' date=' and one only, that the people that most consider "pink hats" outnumber the diehards. Where are you getting these accusations pointed at me from what I posted?[/quote']Where's the ban hammer?

[ORS]

You're reaching.