Yankees 2010-2011 Hotstove Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

And it's reported they are playing hardball with Mo as well. Not saying things won't eventually get done' date=' but it's been a bit rockier then I thought it would be.[/quote']

 

Well, Ole Steinny would just sit back and write checks to guys who didnt deserve them. And ARod is hopefully the last of those insane contracts. Granted, AJ's isnt great, but it at least was only a little more than market value for a then #2. Jeter has a ton of marketability and a lot of the "pink hat" section of Yankee fans love him for his looks and how "smooth" he plays instead of his actual production. I get that, and it is probably worth a large sum of change. But no way is he worth more than what the Yanks are offering. I am glad Cashman isnt caving like a Chilean mine.

 

In terms of Mo, I wouldnt dick around with him on the years. He wants 2 years, give the man two yrs. If you insist on playing around with a 1 yr extension, some moron will be willing to overpay for him just for the wow factor. Don't get into that game. Offer him 2yrs, $30 million and leave it out there. I highly doubt any other GM beats that

[Flynnatic10]

it will feel weird if Jeter leaves. Resign him or he has to retire!

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

it will feel weird if Jeter leaves. Resign him or he has to retire!

 

I'm down for this.

[jacksonianmarch]

I would sign up for that too. Man, would I sign up for that.

[a700hitter]

I have been calling Jeter a prima dona for years. Now, for the first time in his career he is not being coddled by the FO and press, and he is completely baffled. He is Derek Jeter and he believed that he would always be a Yankee and that the Yanks would always give him what he wanted. He has been believing his press clippings and he painted himself in a corner, because the FO knows he won't play for anyone else. Stupid move on his part. The team has him over a barrel. This contract negotiation is just act I. After he signs, he will be moved off SS at some point. That will really cause fireworks and bad feelings. He will not make that move graciously.

[WhiskeyBreath]

I have been calling Jeter a prima dona for years. Now' date=' for the first time in his career he is not being coddled by the FO and press, and he is completely baffled. He is Derek Jeter and he believed that he would always be a Yankee and that the Yanks would always give him what he wanted. He has been believing his press clippings and he painted himself in a corner, because the FO knows he won't play for anyone else. Stupid move on his part. The team has him over a barrel. This contract negotiation is just act I. After he signs, he will be moved off SS at some point. That will really cause fireworks and bad feelings. He will not make that move graciously.[/quote']

 

He's going to end up getting north of the 3 year 15 per that they offered him though.

[Divinity]

Jeter will come back with his tail between his legs when he realizes the Yankees 3/15 offer was far better then anything else out there.

[jacksonianmarch]

If I were the Yankees, I would give him until Sunday to accept the 3yr $45 mil contract. After that, it drops to 2yrs $30 mil with a club option for that third year

[WhiskeyBreath]

I'm really enjoying the Jeter negotiations. :thumbsup:

[Keeper]

Same. It's getting kind of ugly.

[yankees228]

I'm really enjoying the Jeter negotiations. :thumbsup:

 

Well then that makes two of us. I'm glad to see the Yankees taking this kind of approach with Jeter. I just hope they stick to it, which I still doubt.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Cashman is putting his foot down here. As are the Steinny's. I really and truly hope they do not budge on Jeter. Kinda hope they are willing to have some lattitude with Mo, though, as I think he actually has a market at the value he is looking for

[BSN07]

Can you imagine Jeter getting his 3,000 hit in a Cardinals uniform or something lol.

 

I can see why the Yankees are playing hardball. But from Jeter's view, this team has done nothing but bend over and take it by overpaying other teams FA's for years. So why wouldn't he think they would cave to him?

[Palodios]

Jacko-- where did you read about them offering arbitration to Wood? I found an article that said otherwise on the post.

[BSN07]

Jacko-- where did you read about them offering arbitration to Wood? I found an article that said otherwise on the post.

 

From what I have read they only offered Arbitration to Vasquez.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Well then that makes two of us. I'm glad to see the Yankees taking this kind of approach with Jeter.

 

Really?

 

Publicly calling out Jeter like they have been is a disgrace. There's no need to air this stuff out in the media. I just don't get it. They are looking like the Red Sox with these negotiations.

[yankees228]

Really?

 

Publicly calling out Jeter like they have been is a disgrace. There's no need to air this stuff out in the media. I just don't get it. They are looking like the Red Sox with these negotiations.

 

I don't really care what is said or isn't said. That doesn't matter to me in the least. All that matters to me, in this specific situation, is the stance the Yankees take, and so far I've been pleased.

[yankees228]

Can you imagine Jeter getting his 3,000 hit in a Cardinals uniform or something lol.

 

I can see why the Yankees are playing hardball. But from Jeter's view, this team has done nothing but bend over and take it by overpaying other teams FA's for years. So why wouldn't he think they would cave to him?

 

Because now that Cashman and Hal are controlling the team, and not George, they've taken a more fiscally responsible approach.

[jacksonianmarch]

Really?

 

Publicly calling out Jeter like they have been is a disgrace. There's no need to air this stuff out in the media. I just don't get it. They are looking like the Red Sox with these negotiations.

 

That's not really accurate. Close, Jeter's agent, called out the Yankees negotiating tactics as "baffling". Cashman refuted those points

[WhiskeyBreath]

That's not really accurate. Close' date=' Jeter's agent, called out the Yankees negotiating tactics as "baffling". Cashman refuted those points[/quote']

 

Exactly. Why refute those points in the press they way they have been doing?

 

All it is doing is going to make Jeter look like the bad guy in the end. I don't understand it. This isn't just any regular free agent, it's Derek Jeter.

[redsoxrules]

Because now that Cashman and Hal are controlling the team' date=' and not George, they've taken a more fiscally responsible approach.[/quote']

 

lol wut?

 

Texeira , CC and Burnett says hello

[yankees228]

lol wut?

 

Texeira , CC and Burnett says hello

 

Burnett was a mistake, but Teixeira and CC were paid what they're worth. And even more evidence to support my point lies in last offseason.

 

EDIT: fiscally responsible =/= not giving out huge contracts

[ORS]

Burnett was a mistake, but Teixeira and CC were paid what they're worth. And even more evidence to support my point lies in last offseason.

 

EDIT: fiscally responsible =/= not giving out huge contracts

Are they worth $31M / season? When you consider that at the time of their signing the Yankees were already over the LT threshold, that is what they are costing in terms of $$. The thing many people forget is that when the Yankees got north of $200M, it's really also at 40% on the amount over the LT. Last year the LT was approximately $160M, so a $200M budget for player salaries really costs $216M, which the Yankees are fine with, and futher illustrates the inequity of the system.

[yankees228]

Are they worth $31M / season? When you consider that at the time of their signing the Yankees were already over the LT threshold' date=' that is what they are costing in terms of $$. The thing many people forget is that when the Yankees got north of $200M, it's really also at 40% on the amount over the LT. Last year the LT was approximately $160M, so a $200M budget for player salaries really costs $216M, which the Yankees are fine with, and futher illustrates the inequity of the system.[/quote']

 

That's a good point. I was just looking at the salaries of the individual players, as they all contribute to the Yankees exceeding the luxury tax threshold. But my main point is that, unlike a few years ago, they seem reluctant to severely overpay players, and they look for cheaper alternatives (starting last offseason).

[jacksonianmarch]

Exactly. Why refute those points in the press they way they have been doing?

 

All it is doing is going to make Jeter look like the bad guy in the end. I don't understand it. This isn't just any regular free agent, it's Derek Jeter.

 

If Close is coming out and attacking the Yankees way of business, they have every right to defend themselves

[WhiskeyBreath]

If Close is coming out and attacking the Yankees way of business' date=' they have every right to defend themselves[/quote']

 

That's not the entire story here.

[a700hitter]

That's not really accurate. Close' date=' Jeter's agent, called out the Yankees negotiating tactics as "baffling". Cashman refuted those points[/quote']Even though Jeter's agent fired the first salvo, I am surprised that Cashman and the Yankees have made such a public statement about the negotiations. Are the two sides just posturing or is more going on behind the scenes?

[jacksonianmarch]

That's not the entire story here.

 

Close came out publicly and said that the way the Yankees were doing business was baffling. Then he said that the Yankees havent made an official offer. Cashman, came out publicly with not only a straightforward answer, but the actual offer. He played the media card perfectly after Close chose to lie to the media. Cashman, for once, has a player by the balls here. Jeter will not be able to get the same deal on the open market and if he did, I am sure the Yanks would be pretty happy with him moving on

[redsoxrules]

Jon Heyman of SI.com weighs in on the Derek Jeter contract talks and says the Yankees can't take the chance that Jeter walks out on them, even if it costs them an extra year or a few more million

 

I've been saying this all along and I do beleive Jeter will get what he wants by the end of it.

 

Same with Mo

[a700hitter]

Making Jeter walk to another team would solve the bigger problem inevitably coming down the pike-- telling Jeter he has to move from SS.