Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[Dipre]

*checks*

 

You're right. Dang it's going to be hard to trade enough talent to convince Hoyer to part with a power bat that good and that cheap. Even a basement dweller like SD needs a draw or two.

 

I'll be honest with you.

 

I've lost all hope for A-Gon. I just think we can get someone better than Uggla if we're gonna eat Lowell's salary.

[Dojji]

I'd heard that there's some trade talks centering around Curtis Granderson and Edwin Jackson.

 

that being the case, can Cabrera talks be that far behind?

[Dipre]

I'd heard that there's some trade talks centering around Curtis Granderson and Edwin Jackson.

 

that being the case, can Cabrera talks be that far behind?

 

You read my mind.

[Dojji]

I wonder what it'd take to get Cabrera.

 

Kelly, Reddick, Bard, Westmoreland? Too much? Too little?

[Paradisecity]

Gom saying that Dipre is right, Dipre and Dojj getting along....

 

(In best Jurassic Park voice) Welcome......to Bizarro Talksox.

[Dipre]

I wonder what it'd take to get Cabrera.

 

Kelly, Reddick, Bard, Westmoreland? Too much? Too little?

 

Too little.

 

Prolly add Bowden and ask for another mid-tier minor leaguer.

[BSN07]

Too little.

 

Prolly add Bowden and ask for another mid-tier minor leaguer.

 

What if the Sox took on the contract of Magglio? That's close to 40M off next years payroll for Detroit. They could use that lock up Verlander and Jackson long term.

 

 

Bowden, Kelley, Reddick, MDC, Anderson(or one of the other 1B prospects)+1 + 40M off the books next season, (plus they get rid of Magz 15M 2011 option, and the 126M left on Miggys deal) is pretty tempting I would have to think.

[jacksonianmarch]

So you would rather they hamstring the payroll this year by adding Uggla to play 1st, sign Bay or Holliday while absorbing Lowell's contract to be on the bench or dumping him on another team.

 

I'm sorry, but i just don't see the offensive upgrade as enough to commit this type of financial butcher job.

 

There should be no hamstringing of payroll in Boston. They are WAY below where they were in 2007 (werent they somewhere in the 165 mil range?). As it stands right now, they could probably spend 50 mil per season this offseason and be right around their highest water mark. Uggla is an arb eligible guy, likely to command somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 mil this upcoming yr. Plus, he's under control for 2 more yrs. You dont pass that up based on payroll, especially in Boston

[jacksonianmarch]

I wonder what it'd take to get Cabrera.

 

Kelly, Reddick, Bard, Westmoreland? Too much? Too little?

 

A lot. Even though he is out of shape and has the rep of being a crappy teammate, he is one of the best hitters in the game and he's under 30. It would take a ton of talent, so much so that it wouldnt be worth it.

[BSN07]

A lot. Even though he is out of shape and has the rep of being a crappy teammate' date=' he is one of the best hitters in the game and he's under 30. It would take a ton of talent, so much so that it wouldnt be worth it.[/quote']

 

Yes, if finances were not an issue it would take a ton of talent. Considering the $ involved, it will take a lot of talent but less then what I believe you are insinuating.

[jacksonianmarch]

The money involved is a given. All big market clubs would be in on him. The money wont be an issue unless a team like KC wants in, which I doubt.

[Dipre]

There should be no hamstringing of payroll in Boston. They are WAY below where they were in 2007 (werent they somewhere in the 165 mil range?). As it stands right now' date=' they could probably spend 50 mil per season this offseason and be right around their highest water mark. Uggla is an arb eligible guy, likely to command somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 mil this upcoming yr. Plus, he's under control for 2 more yrs. You dont pass that up based on payroll, especially in Boston[/quote']

 

Yeah you do.

 

You pass up when you can look for an obviously better option.

[BSN07]

The money involved is a given. All big market clubs would be in on him. The money wont be an issue unless a team like KC wants in' date=' which I doubt.[/quote']

 

Ok which big market teams can take on the contract and have a spot open?

 

LAA could put him at 3B( don't see it)

 

St. Louis in LF/3B(maybe if they miss out on Bay/Holliday, but not likely)

 

Boston, has money and a spot open

 

NYY I would assume have the money and undoubtedly make a spot for him

 

LAD, not sure what their financial situation is with the McCourts divorce saga, they could stick him at 3B.

 

NYM need a 1B, LF, but there is no way they have the talent to pull off a deal.

 

Any other teams I'm forgetting that could give up prospects and take on 126M?

[BSN07]

Adrian Gonzalez's agent meeting with Padres about trade plans

 

Padres GM Jed Hoyer and Adrian Gonzalez's agent, John Boggs, are scheduled to meet soon to discuss the player's future -- which could include anything from a trade, to remaining a Padre through the final two years of his contract, to a rewriting of the current contract. "I don't know what is going to happen," Gonzalez said yesterday. "I'm in a win-win situation" -- meaning he will either go to a contending team that can afford him or remain playing in his hometown. What Gonzalez seems most happy about is that he'll be in Europe for the next month as his future is decided. "I'd rather be away from it," he said. Gonzalez said he is happy with the direction of the Padres, with reservations. "Some steps have been taken," he said. "There are still pieces to be put in place. I'd like to see the moves they make in the offseason, if I'm still around."

 

 

So maybe we will know if this is going to be a viable target this off season soon.

[Dojji]

Too little.

 

Prolly add Bowden and ask for another mid-tier minor leaguer.

 

Since it's Cabrera, their 1B, I'd say at least one of Rizzo and Anderson would probably be included.

[Dojji]

What if the Sox took on the contract of Magglio?

 

there are other bad contracts I'd rather take on lol.

 

I have no idea what the Tigers thought they were doing, letting Magglio pick up his option. That was $18M they didn't have to spend -- all they had to do to stop it was give some youngster like Ryan Raburn a bit of playing time in right.

[Dipre]

there are other bad contracts I'd rather take on lol.

 

I have no idea what the Tigers thought they were doing, letting Magglio pick up his option. That was $18M they didn't have to spend -- all they had to do to stop it was give some youngster like Ryan Raburn a bit of playing time in right.

 

PR hit. Maggs has done a lot for that franchise. I agree with the premise though.

[Dojji]

How about Ichiro?

 

I know the Mariners would never trade him, but they should -- it would free up a lot of money for a team that has a superstar stud ace to re-sign.

 

Slide Ichiro into RF, and Drew becomes our solution in left.

 

An outfield of Drew in left, Ellsbury in CF, and Ichiro in right would be a flyball hitter's worst nightmare.

 

And the notion of Ellsbury and Ichiro hitting first and second in our lineup would be a catcher's worst nightmare.

[Dipre]

How about Ichiro?

 

I know the Mariners would never trade him, but they should -- it would free up a lot of money for a team that has a superstar stud ace to re-sign.

 

Slide Ichiro into RF, and Drew becomes our solution in left.

 

An outfield of Drew in left, Ellsbury in CF, and Ichiro in right would be a flyball hitter's worst nightmare.

 

And the notion of Ellsbury and Ichiro hitting first and second in our lineup would be a catcher's worst nightmare.

 

The only way that could work is if we could upgrade another position with a very solid power hitter.

[BoSox21]

How about Ichiro?

 

I know the Mariners would never trade him

 

And, really, that's where the post should end.

[Dojji]

As Dipre is fond of saying, no one is untouchable.

[BSN07]

As Dipre is fond of saying' date=' no one is untouchable.[/quote']

 

I wouldn't touch Ichiro with a 10' pole...

[Dipre]

I really don't think replacing Bay's power with Ichiro's skillset is a good idea.

[BSN07]

I really don't think replacing Bay's power with Ichiro's skillset is a good idea.

 

^ Co-signed

 

 

I would rather go with Hermida then to trade valuable prospects for Ichiro.

[Dojji]

What's wrong with his skillset? We're talking about a guy with an .812 career OPS, blinding speed and brilliant defense. Who cares how much of it is average driven when this is a guy who has the skills to justify his AVG?

 

Many of you would leap at exactly the same skillset if the guy was named Crawford instead of Ichiro. And Ichiro's OBP dwarfs Crawford's.

[Dipre]

What's wrong with his skillset? We're talking about a guy with an .812 career OPS, blinding speed and brilliant defense. Who cares how much of it is average driven when this is a guy who has the skills to justify his AVG?

 

Many of you would leap at exactly the same skillset if the guy was named Crawford instead of Ichiro. And Ichiro's OBP dwarfs Crawford's.

 

I really don't think replacing Bay's power with Ichiro's skillset is a good idea.

[Dojji]

It's all about putting runs across the plate. Icihro does it one way, Bay does it another.

 

I don't think we'd have to worry as much about power with Ellsbury and Ichiro at the top of the order. It takes less power to score a speed guy after all, that's why depowered teams love them and one of the big reasons that the Angels, who are OK for power but nowhere near elite, keep scoring runs as well as they do.

[Dipre]

It's all about putting runs across the plate. Icihro does it one way, Bay does it another.

 

I don't think we'd have to worry as much about power with Ellsbury and Ichiro at the top of the order. It takes less power to score a speed guy after all, that's why depowered teams love them and one of the big reasons that the Angels, who are OK for power but nowhere near elite, keep scoring runs as well as they do.

 

This really doesn't make much sense.. The little piranhas gimmick is already being performed by the Twins, and even they're backing away from it.

[Dojji]

that's because their little pirhanas (those not named Denard Span anyway) are gimps who don't execute defensively well and have no OBP. We're not talking about Tolbert, Punto, and Gomez here. Ellsbury and Ichiro are legitimate big league hitters with solid OBP's and the talent to maintain them.

 

When they had Punto getting on base, he and Span made it work. Once Punto flatlined, it fell apart. that's not a fault of the straegy, it's a fault of the personnel who executed it.

[Dipre]

that's because their little pirhanas are gimps who don't execute defensively well and have no OBP. We're not talking about Tolbert, Punto, and Gomez here. Ellsbury and Ichiro are legitimate big league hitters with solid OBP's and the talent to maintain them.

 

When they had Punto getting on base, he and Span made it work. Once Punto flatlined, it fell apart. that's not a fault of the straegy, it's a fault of the personnel who executed it.

 

So you think that instead of getting a LF who will only cost money, or a big bopper who will consolidate the lineup, the FO's time an effort would be better spent pursuing a player that:

 

A) They're probably unwilling to trade.

 

B ) If they traded him, would cost a whole lot of prospects, is owed a lot of money, and is not a spring chicken.

 

C) Doesn't really fit what the common consensus would say this lineup lacks right now, which is power.

 

Well, more power to you then.