Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[TheKilo]

No player is untouchable.

 

But logic would dictate that Seattle would do everything in their power to extend him before trading him.

 

No one here is saying Theo's an idiot, but "it takes two to Tango", and Seattle is a team that's a couple of breaks from making the playoffs.

 

Let's stick to reality here, please. The other teams in MLB are not feeding tubes for the Yanks and Sox.

 

Aren't you the "SD WILL trade Adrian Gonzalez" spokesperson?

[example1]

Aren't you the "SD WILL trade Adrian Gonzalez" spokesperson?

 

He posted that information before. You should search through the 80+ pages (50+ if you do the LONG pages) and find what he said... you know, so you won't keep being wrong.

[yankees228]

Dipre, do you really think the Mariners are a couple breaks away from making the playoffs? I understand that they won 85 games this year, but they outperformed their PYTH by 10 full games. It would seem like they got a lot of breaks, and they still finished 12 games out of the division, in 3rd place.

[TheKilo]

But remember the Sox have been in negotiations for A-Gon since before the trade deadline' date=' and he's a player Theo covets. So if there's someone they're going to sell half the farm for, it's him.[/quote']

 

Hoyer's not dumb. He's not going to trade Gonzalez for anything less than Boston's best prospects and I don't think Theo is going to want to make the deal it would take.

 

Any thought on Prince Fielder? Could he be had for a lesser package? Or what about Miguel Cabrera (my pipe dream)?

[TheMino007]

I've wanted Miggy since last offseason. I'd take on Prince Fielder and his massive gut (and contract in the future) and have him play 1st next season and then move him to DH in 2011 once Ortiz hits the road. Theo can't just diddle around and fantasize with one play like he did last offseason with Teixeria, he needs to explore all possible trade options. He can't just look at A-Gon all offseason while other hitters are signed and other big bats are shopped.

[Dipre]

Hoyer's not dumb. He's not going to trade Gonzalez for anything less than Boston's best prospects and I don't think Theo is going to want to make the deal it would take.

 

Any thought on Prince Fielder? Could he be had for a lesser package? Or what about Miguel Cabrera (my pipe dream)?

 

I said "it's a longshot". I've acknowledged it, but i think it'd be easier to pull off than a trade for Felix.

 

At e1: Well i don't wanna look at 50 pages either, but you're the one calling me out, so you can do that yourself. No offense meant.

[Dipre]

Hoyer's not dumb. He's not going to trade Gonzalez for anything less than Boston's best prospects and I don't think Theo is going to want to make the deal it would take.

 

Any thought on Prince Fielder? Could he be had for a lesser package? Or what about Miguel Cabrera (my pipe dream)?

 

I think Cabrera and Fielder are both more feasible than A-Gon.

 

Detroit's payroll is completely bloated, so they might deal him for the right package. Fielder's about to get very very expensive, so the Brewers might be more open to trading him than ever.

[a700hitter]

Miggy Cabrera is a pig. He's Manny without Manny's talent.

[yankees228]

His career average OPS+ is 140. That's pretty impressive, and worth giving up a lot for.

[Dipre]

Miggy Cabrera is a pig. He's Manny without Manny's talent.

 

Miguel Cabrera age 26 season: .942 OPS, 142 OPS +

 

 

Manny Ramirez age 26 season: .976 OPS, 146 OPS+

[a700hitter]

His career average OPS+ is 140. That's pretty impressive' date=' and worth giving up a lot for.[/quote']I've watched this guy play a lot, and he is one of the biggest dogs in the game. The night before the biggest game of the year didn't he stay out late, get drunk and beat his wife? Oh, and wasn't he out with the other team? He had to apologize to his teammates. Let someone else enjoy this pig's OPS.

[Dipre]

I've watched this guy play a lot' date=' and he is one of the biggest dogs in the game. The night before the biggest game of the year didn't he stay out late, get drunk and beat his wife? Oh, and wasn't he out with the other team? He had to apologize to his teammates. Let someone else enjoy this pig's OPS.[/quote']

 

This is an entirely different argument from "He's Manny without Manny's talent".

 

Cabrera is about to reach Ramirez levels of production and hasn't even reached his ceilings yet.

[example1]

At e1: Well i don't wanna look at 50 pages either, but you're the one calling me out, so you can do that yourself. No offense meant.

 

No offense taken. I figured if you posted articles earlier then it would be easier for you to find them again with a quick google search, highlight, copy, paste, routine.

[a700hitter]

This is an entirely different argument from "He's Manny without Manny's talent".

 

Cabrera is about to reach Ramirez levels of production and hasn't even reached his ceilings yet.

he's a bigger dog than Manny, and I just don't think he is as good as Manny.

[TheKilo]

I'm glad the FO doesn't pay you to think

[a700hitter]

I'm glad the FO doesn't pay you to think

This FO will never take in this dog... never.

[Dipre]

Dipre' date=' do you really think the Mariners are a couple breaks away from making the playoffs? I understand that they won 85 games this year, but they outperformed their PYTH by 10 full games. It would seem like they got a lot of breaks, and they still finished 12 games out of the division, in 3rd place.[/quote']

 

The Rangers over-performed as well pitching wise, and the Angels are probably getting weaker. So yes, i believe they're a couple breaks away from full-out contention.

 

And even if they weren't, would you trade Felix knowing full well this team is not that far away from contention AND you can probably muster the money to extend him?

[Dojji]

I'd go after Miguel Cabrera, at least as one of a number of options. Even if his defense tanks like some seem to think it will (I see no reason to believe it must), he's an elite bat and has demonstrated in the past that he can tolerate a move into the outfield.

 

He's about on par with Jason Bay in left field, if you're willing to pay Bay you should be willing to pay for the same or better production in a body 5 years younger.

 

That said, the Tigers really haven't showed any signals that they're really thinking of packing it in at the moment and haven't really thrown out any obvious signals that they're considering blowing it up. They'd like to shed salary I'm sure, but shedding it by getting rid of their best player isn't probably what they have in mind.

[yankees228]

The Rangers over-performed as well pitching wise, and the Angels are probably getting weaker. So yes, i believe they're a couple breaks away from full-out contention.

 

And even if they weren't, would you trade Felix knowing full well this team is not that far away from contention AND you can probably muster the money to extend him?

 

If I'm the Mariners, I don't even think about trading Felix. I'm in complete agreement with you on that front.

 

I just don't think the Mariners are close to being a playoff team. That was my sole contention.

[Dipre]

If I'm the Mariners, I don't even think about trading Felix. I'm in complete agreement with you on that front.

 

I just don't think the Mariners are close to being a playoff team. That was my sole contention.

 

If the Angels lose Figgins and Lackey, and Rangers pitching regresses at least a bit, they're in it IMO.

[Dojji]

I'll add "if the Mariners can score another bigtime bat" onto that list of caveats, but I basically agree.

 

For the Mariners, contention or not will come down to what they can muster for a lineup.

[BSN07]

I'd go after Miguel Cabrera, at least as one of a number of options. Even if his defense tanks like some seem to think it will (I see no reason to believe it must), he's an elite bat and has demonstrated in the past that he can tolerate a move into the outfield.

 

He's about on par with Jason Bay in left field, if you're willing to pay Bay you should be willing to pay for the same or better production in a body 5 years younger.

 

That said, the Tigers really haven't showed any signals that they're really thinking of packing it in at the moment and haven't really thrown out any obvious signals that they're considering blowing it up. They'd like to shed salary I'm sure, but shedding it by getting rid of their best player isn't probably what they have in mind.

 

Detroit is desperate enough money wise that they are shopping Jackson. They might listen to offers on Miggy. They have 100M wrapped up in 10 players next season so far. With about 20M expected in arb raises.

 

It all depends on how desperate the Tigers are. The Sox could take on a another big contract like Magglio as well. That would save Detroit a s*** load of money. I think it's almost 40M next season between the two of them.

[BSN07]

Add the Reds to the list of teams that are slashing, rather than spending, this off-season. Fanhouse's Ed Price and Jeff Fletcher are reporting that Cincinnati is looking to cut their payroll from $71MM in 2009 to between the $65-$70MM range next season. While it may not sound like much of a reduction, Cot's Baseball Contracts lists the Reds as owing just under $66MM to just ten players for next season, leaving little room to fill out the rest of the roster.

 

The article goes on to list Arroyo, Harang, Phillips as players that could be dealt to to lower the teams payroll. It also mentions for the right deal, Votto could be made available.

 

I know Phillips is pretty slick fielder @ 2B, anyone think he could make a transition to SS?

 

Also if other talks fall through for a 1B, Votto wouldn't be a bad player to look in on.

[Dipre]

The article goes on to list Arroyo, Harang, Phillips as players that could be dealt to to lower the teams payroll. It also mentions for the right deal, Votto could be made available.

 

I know Phillips is pretty slick fielder @ 2B, anyone think he could make a transition to SS?

 

Also if other talks fall through for a 1B, Votto would be an excellent player to look in on.

 

Fixed.

[Dojji]

I'm a little nervous about Votto if only because his career BABIP is .350 and his LD% has dropped steadily. If we got him, I'd be at least a little worried about regression

 

Looks like he wouldn't be a bad Fenway hitter -- he goes to left field a lot. Other than that one small BABIP-fueled concern, I wouldn't have a problem with getting Votto.

[BoSox21]

I don't know why the hell they would trade Votto

[Dojji]

Because they got Lars Anderson or Anthony Rizzo back and also 2-3 other very interesting high ceiling prospects?

[Dipre]

I'm a little nervous about Votto if only because his career BABIP is .350 and his LD% has dropped steadily. If we got him' date=' I'd be at least a little worried about regression[/quote']

 

He has two full seasons in the Major Leagues.

 

So how has his LD% "regressed steadily"?

 

And he played a lot of time last year with an undisclosed injury that caused him to be dizzy to the point of losing balance sometimes, yet still managed a .981 OPS.

 

Please do some sound research.

[Dipre]

I don't know why the hell they would trade Votto

 

It'd have to be a hell of a package, but again, no player is untouchable.

[BSN07]

Is Phillips good enough to play SS?