Trading Manny

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Is Shilling going to be around after this year though?

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Is Shilling going to be around after this year though?

 

Most likely he's not going to be there.

[Fried Neckbones]

Most likely he's not going to be there.

 

Which, of course, frees up his - what $17-18 million per - to go out and get a nice free agent bat (and there are some good ones) in the '07 off season. Which makes losing Manny even more palatable.

 

That's right - it's the 2007 hot-stove thread!!!

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nice :thumbsup: I think Schilling made 13m last year, but he probably has incentives there to bring it up into the 15m range. In this climate that's a good OF or corner IF.

[ARod2212]

This is like a soap opera. I don't see how it is at all possible for Manny to go back to that clubhouse and expect to be successful. They thrived on chemistry in 2004, and it seems like all of that is gone.

[Ray10]

Which, of course, frees up his - what $17-18 million per - to go out and get a nice free agent bat (and there are some good ones) in the '07 off season. Which makes losing Manny even more palatable.

 

That's right - it's the 2007 hot-stove thread!!!

 

Maybe that money can be used to go after one Vernon Wells who we all know won't be going back to Toronto. I'd be up for the Jays going after him.

[BSN07]

I give up on this hole tradin Manny thing. If he goes thanks for the memorys, if he stays then glad to have you. I won't waste anymore braincells on the discussion.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://cbs4boston.com/sports/local_story_334083531.html

 

been away for awhile, but here is a story I read about Schilling saying that Manny wants out.

[BSN07]

Jackson, I read that one yesterday and took it as a good sign that he was going to be traded. But most writers are still saying it's a 50-50 shot. Whatvere happens I really don't care. Just aslong as we fill our other needs and don't spend all our time with the Manny situations.

[elsrbueno]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/01/sox_nixon_in_07/

 

This article focuses on Nixon at the beginning, but the underlying principle is trading Manny to San Diego for Peavy+ and bringing Nixon back to platoon with Pena in Manny's vacated spot.

 

I love the prospect-laden LA deal I proposed yesterday, but if the Padres really are willing to trade Peavy, a 26 year old ace caliber pitcher, the Sox have to consider that the top option.

 

J Peavy,A Gonzalez, S Linebrink?

[rician blast]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/01/sox_nixon_in_07/

 

This article focuses on Nixon at the beginning, but the underlying principle is trading Manny to San Diego for Peavy+ and bringing Nixon back to platoon with Pena in Manny's vacated spot.

 

I love the prospect-laden LA deal I proposed yesterday, but if the Padres really are willing to trade Peavy, a 26 year old ace caliber pitcher, the Sox have to consider that the top option.

 

J Peavy,A Gonzalez, S Linebrink?

 

Agree, but I'd have to believe that the Sox would need to include another player and/or eat some of Manny's salary. Seems like too much to give up by the Padres. Gonzalez had an OPS of .862 in his first full season in 2006, we know the line on Peavey and the importance of young, cheap and effective starting pitching, and Linebrink is a solid reliever and is still only 30.

[BSN07]

If the Sox get offered those three players just for Manny, i'm sorry to all the"don't trade Manny"people out there but they would sooooooooo have to pull the trigger on that one. That being said, I really don't see SD ponying up that much for Manny. There not that deep at pitching( starter wise) and Gonzalez looks like he might be a stud.

 

If Theo pulls that trade off, then maybe he is the boy genius everyone used to think he was. Yes our offense would not be as potent, but we could get by, besides our starting rotation would be just Nasty. Everyone in the rotation would be capable of winning 15+ games. I would rather see us with a dominating rotation and win in OCT. then have a hi ranking offense and get sent home in the first round because we have no pitching like the NYY.

[BSN07]

Nice article on bostonglobe.com about bringing back Trot. Saying They might offer arbitration to him and have him platoon with WMP. They say if it is offered it's a good sign Manny will be dealt. They said the top trade right now being talked about is Peavy from SD.

 

With WMP/Nixon, Drew and Crisp in the OF(where they each play is up for debate, WMP has to be only considered in LF tho) theres alot of options. As far as the offense goes the article says a rotation of Schilling, Beckett, Peavy, Matsuzaka, Papelbon might out weigh the lack of a big hitter( Manny).

 

If the Sox can get Peavy and Gonzalez( maybe a prospect in there), put Youk at 3rd and send Lowell out for more bullpen stability or a closer, they have to pull the trigger. yes we would lose Manny but the entire team will be better and more well rounded.

[jacksonianmarch]

The padres have refused and will continue to refuse to throw Peavy into any deal for Manny, was the report out of SD today. The papers are saying that the padres may never have been serious after all.

[Fried Neckbones]

The padres have refused and will continue to refuse to throw Peavy into any deal for Manny' date=' was the report out of SD today. The papers are saying that the padres may never have been serious after all.[/quote']

 

Trying to drive up the price for LAD?

[jacksonianmarch]

Trying to drive up the price for LAD?

 

or for SF. Thus far the only public rumblings have been out of the NL West. I do think Texas would like to get into the fray, but they have a pitching staff to worry about and will likely be late to the party. There is an issue in that the teams now know (thanks to Schilling) that Manny wants out....AGAIN. Once again, that lowers his price a little knowing that he wants out and his constant headache is going to be a problem as well. Plus the report that he wants the last 2 options picked up (at 20mil a yr) will hurt as well. AND, none of the teams they are talking to will give them the commodity they need which is a bullpen ace.

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or for SF. Thus far the only public rumblings have been out of the NL West. I do think Texas would like to get into the fray' date=' but they have a pitching staff to worry about and will likely be late to the party. There is an issue in that the teams now know (thanks to Schilling) that Manny wants out....AGAIN. Once again, that lowers his price a little knowing that he wants out and his constant headache is going to be a problem as well. Plus the report that he wants the last 2 options picked up (at 20mil a yr) will hurt as well. AND, none of the teams they are talking to will give them the commodity they need which is a bullpen ace.[/quote']

 

I don't think the Sox have the offer they've been waiting for and they may not be getting it. This isn't a matter of placating Manny (like last year) when we say "I hope manny sees they're trying to trade him but they can't and he'll WANT to come back." It just seems done this time, like Manny has checked out and Boston has checked out on him. In some sense they're desperate because his position dictates how the rest of the roster looks.

[Bosoxwest]

CNN reporting Manny has increased his "wish list" to 13-14 teams. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_heyman/12/01/scoop.friday/?cnn=yes

 

Definitely seems to want out.

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Trot Nixon was not offered arbitration. This indicates that a Manny deal is not so imminent.

 

So... Manny, Coco and Drew in the OF? Hopefully sign Lugo and Matsuzaka.

 

Solid lineup:

 

Youkilis

Crisp

Ortiz

Manny

Drew

Lowell

Varitek

Lugo

Pedroia

 

w/ Pena, Hinske, Cora, backup catcher and maybe Murphy on the bench?

 

Schilling

Matsuzaka

Beckett

Papelbon

Wakefield

 

 

now improve the bullpen and I think we're looking good.

 

We would have 3 OFers who can play CF adequately.

 

(don't take this as "Manny won't be traded", but its defininately not certain and none of the packages I've seen have been very interesting without a 3rd team being involved.)

[BSN07]

It's being reported on foxsports.com that SD will not include Peavy in a Manny deal.:thumbdown F... them, they don't get him then:harhar: . Send him to LA for the kids, and SD can watch him make LA division champs. Linebrink and Gonzalez are not enough for Manny. Maybe if they threw in Greene. But with no Peavy, I would rather have the LA trade or just keep him.

[Cocos Disciples]

Yes lets trade a HOF'er, just to spite them damn Padres! mwahhahahaha

[Beckett95]

any trade with the Padres now should include Cesar Carrillo

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any trade with the Padres now should include Cesar Carrillo

 

The sox really need to get some quality mlb-ready talent and some solid minor league talent out of this deal. They should swallow some money the first year to get extra talent thrown in.

 

Deep in the bowels of 'that other sox site' (looks like MOSH, but isn't) I read discussion about a flip for Miguel Cabrera... we might as well throw it out here.

 

Sox get:

Miguel Cabrera, Betemit

 

Dodgers get:

Manny-Rammy

 

Florida gets:

Ellsbury, Kottaras, Broxton and Kemp

 

or something along those lines. It is basically mixing and matching the best of the Sox and Dodgers farm system to get Cabrera, and likely to establish FLA as a dominant force for years and years to come. What a young nucleus they would have. If I were them I might pull the trigger.

 

If I'm the Sox, however, I don't know about giving up Manny AND Kottaras AND Ellsbury for Miguel Cabrera and Betemit.

[Beckett95]

id do it if id didnt include Ellsbury, throw in Bowden/Bucholz and i probably would do it

[Gom]

Taken from Foxsports:

 

Since 1998, Manny Ramirez has averaged 40 home runs and 127 RBI and been an annual participant in the All-Star Game. His career slugging percentage of .600 exceeds those of Hank Aaron, Joe DiMaggio and Willie Mays. In the whole history of the game, only six players have driven in more runs at age 34 than Ramirez, and all of them are in the Hall of Fame: Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Mel Ott, Aaron, Al Simmons and Babe Ruth.

 

Why would you guys even entertain trading this guy?

[Cocos Disciples]

Oh! He's good...well then we shouldn't trade him! Someone needs to contact Theo ASAP.

 

WHY DIDN'T ANYONE THINK OF THIS????

[TheKilo]

id do it if id didnt include Ellsbury' date=' throw in Bowden/Bucholz and i probably would do it[/quote']

 

 

 

If we can get MIGUEL CABRERA...throw in Ellsbury all they want.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Taken from Foxsports:

 

Since 1998, Manny Ramirez has averaged 40 home runs and 127 RBI and been an annual participant in the All-Star Game. His career slugging percentage of .600 exceeds those of Hank Aaron, Joe DiMaggio and Willie Mays. In the whole history of the game, only six players have driven in more runs at age 34 than Ramirez, and all of them are in the Hall of Fame: Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Mel Ott, Aaron, Al Simmons and Babe Ruth.

 

Why would you guys even entertain trading this guy?

 

Because he wants to be traded and no matter how good a guy is, if he doesnt want to be on the team and quits on them halfway through the season, hes not worth it anymore.

 

Manny gave us some great years, now its time for him to go.

[Gom]

I realize that Manny is a pain in the ass sometimes, and he quit on the Sox last season. That was after you guys were out of it anyways. The guy came to play when you had a chance anyways.

 

Pretty much like every other Hall of Famer you've had in the last twenty years, you will run this guy out of town as well.

[SuperManny]

I realize that Manny is a pain in the ass sometimes, and he quit on the Sox last season. That was after you guys were out of it anyways. The guy came to play when you had a chance anyways.

 

Pretty much like every other Hall of Famer you've had in the last twenty years, you will run this guy out of town as well.

 

Ouch, I'm one of Mannys biggest supporters but keep in mind that he's the one requesting the trade. I have no doubt that the Sox FO would like to move him anyways but lets not act like Manny is being run out of town. You might want to focus on how the Yankee fans treat AROD instead of worrying about the Sox.

 

No matter what Manny will always be the man because of this:

 

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006VTMVQ.01-A189WN3T5ROVH._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_V65718625_.jpg