The No-No Thread

[italstallianion]

This is the only instance where we know exactly how a call affected the outcome of a game. That's because the game was over if the proper call was made. So yes' date=' this call should have been reversed. It would set no undue precedent.[/quote']

 

 

Maybe the precedent that Bud Selig does the right thing, but that's about it.

[Dipre]

Maybe the precedent that Bud Selig does the right thing' date=' but that's about it.[/quote']

 

The real precedent set is putting accuracy above traditionalism. It's not only saving the perfect game, but what it represents.

[ORS]

Selig could have avoided such a precedent by noting that the outcome of the game was unchanged by the changed call. The next guy made an out. The final score would be 3-0 either way. He could have called it a special case decision that was made to "preserve the integrity of the game". Instead, he chickened out. Doing that would have been a bold move, and that's not Bud's thing.

[Dipre]

Selig could have avoided such a precedent by noting that the outcome of the game was unchanged by the changed call. The next guy made an out. The final score would be 3-0 either way. He could have called it a special case decision that was made to "preserve the integrity of the game". Instead' date=' he chickened out. Doing that would have been a bold move, and that's not Bud's thing.[/quote']

 

Now the media's got plenty of fodder to both criticize him and push the replay argument. Selig's lack of balls is going to end up costing him in the long run. Even that idiot Rosenthal made some arguments that made sense in regards to the importance of preserving the kid's perfect game. It's that bad.

[redsoxrules]

If this dosent get instant replay started, nothing will

[Dipre]

If this dosent get instant replay started' date=' nothing will[/quote']

 

It's already creating a large push in the media:

 

Former MLB umpire Don Denkinger supports using instant replay in baseball games to rescind questionable calls, a major sport outlet reported Thursday.

 

Denkinger told ESPN Thursday the MLB should consider implementing instant replay to help umpires reverse their blown calls.

 

Denkinger, 73, said instant replay could help “clean things up” on so many areas in a baseball game.

 

The former MLB umpire spoke out one in the wake of veteran umpire Jim Joyce’s controversial call in the ninth inning of Wednesday’s game between the Detroit Tigers and the Cleveland Guardians.

 

Joyce prevented Tigers pitcher Armando Galarraga from becoming the 21st MLB player to record a perfect game after incorrectly calling Guardians shortstop Jason Donald safe at first base on a grounder.

 

Replays showed Galarraga clearly beat Donald on the first bag, making the call one of the worst in the last 25 years of the MLB.

 

Denkinger, whose blown call in Game 6 helped the Kansas City Royals win the 1985 World Series over the St. Louis Cardinals, said he experienced the same felling Joyce is going through.

 

Denkinger also lauded Joyce for making a public apology for Galarraga and baseball fans for the damage he has done.

 

Read more: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018887766?Ex-Ump%20Denkinger%20Supports%20Instant%20Replay%20For%20MLB#ixzz0pq1hzhEc

[redsoxrules]

they should do it like football , 2 challenges a game

 

and it couldn't be used to argue balls and strike

[ORS]

You know, this is probably Theo's fault for not successfully petitioning MLB to have Jim Joyce removed from the crew for the Detroit/Cleveland series.

[Dipre]

You know' date=' this is probably Theo's fault for not successfully petitioning MLB to have Jim Joyce removed from the crew for the Detroit/Cleveland series.[/quote']

 

 

If i behave, will you adopt me?

[a700hitter]

Selig could have avoided such a precedent by noting that the outcome of the game was unchanged by the changed call. The next guy made an out. The final score would be 3-0 either way. He could have called it a special case decision that was made to "preserve the integrity of the game". Instead' date=' he chickened out. Doing that would have been a bold move, and that's not Bud's thing.[/quote']He's a weasel. Under his spineless leadership, the PED epidemic blossomed to the point where teams were fielding middle infielders with 21 inch necks. It permanently damaged the integrity of the game and its records. Everyone in the game knew it was going on-- players, managers, FO executives, owners, and media.

[Spudboy]

He's a weasel. Under his spineless leadership' date=' the PED epidemic blossomed to the point where teams were fielding middle infielders with 21 inch necks. It permanently damaged the integrity of the game and its records. Everyone in the game knew it was going on-- players, managers, FO executives, owners, and media.[/quote']

 

And fans.

[Northern Star]

He's a weasel. Under his spineless leadership' date=' the PED epidemic blossomed to the point where teams were fielding middle infielders with 21 inch necks. It permanently damaged the integrity of the game and its records. Everyone in the game knew it was going on-- players, managers, FO executives, owners, and media.[/quote']

 

Selig is an absolute joke. He also allowed the All Star fiasco to happen instead of thinking ahead and saying "hmm, what it...?"

[Northern Star]

And fans.

 

Fans didn't seem to have a problem lapping up videogame HR totals from Sosa and McGwire, though. And then the abomination that was 73 HRs.

[See Red]

This is the only instance where we know exactly how a call affected the outcome of a game. That's because the game was over if the proper call was made. So yes' date=' this call should have been reversed. It would set no undue precedent.[/quote']

 

I gave you two. The Twins/Mariners game, which happened the next day and that Cardinals/Royals World Series from way back when.

 

Instant replay is terrible in the NFL because if the referees blow three calls, and you challenge the first two, win, and then get that third challenge, then your still f***ed on the fourth blown call. It's also terrible because it slows the game down and they still get calls wrong, even with the replay. Don't you ever sit there while you're watching seventeen replays of a play to determine whether or not a guys knee was one half an inch off of the ground before the ball popped loose or whether there was a single blade of green grass in between a guys toes and the sideline and say to yourself "what's the f***ing point?"

 

By the way, doesn't the fact that the whole god damn country is up in arms over a blown call that cost a guy a perfect game (his team still won) yet noone seems to care about the fact that an obvious blown call in the Twins/Mariners cost the Twins the game bother anybody?

[italstallianion]

I gave you two. The Twins/Mariners game' date=' which happened [i']the next day[/i] and that Cardinals/Royals World Series from way back when.

 

Instant replay is terrible in the NFL because if the referees blow three calls, and you challenge the first two, win, and then get that third challenge, then your still f***ed on the fourth blown call. It's also terrible because it slows the game down and they still get calls wrong, even with the replay. Don't you ever sit there while you're watching seventeen replays of a play to determine whether or not a guys knee was one half an inch off of the ground before the ball popped loose or whether there was a single blade of green grass in between a guys toes and the sideline and say to yourself "what's the f***ing point?"

 

By the way, doesn't the fact that the whole god damn country is up in arms over a blown call that cost a guy a perfect game (his team still won) yet noone seems to care about the fact that an obvious blown call in the Twins/Mariners cost the Twins the game bother anybody?

 

 

Not even slightly.

[See Red]

Not even slightly.

 

Why? The Tigers still won the game. The Twins took a loss because of their blown call.

 

In the words of Herm Edwards, you play to win the game.

[italstallianion]

Why? The Tigers still won the game. The Twins took a loss because of their blown call.

 

In the words of Herm Edwards, you play to win the game.

 

 

First of all, I think that's the worst quote in sports, but beyond that, this is history that we're dealing with. The likelihood of the one game having an effect on the playoffs of a 162 game season this year is minor, and even then, it feebles in comparison to something as historic as a perfect game.

 

In all fairness, I think that the other call should be overturned as well, and that replay should have been used in the Min/Sea game as well. I'm just saying that the perfect game is BY FAR more important than the Min/Sea game.

 

I only have so much care in me, and right now it's going to the perfect game, my girlfriend, a case of Sam Adam's Summer Ale, and MLB 2010 the show.

[See Red]

First of all' date=' I think that's the worst quote in sports, but beyond that, this is history that we're dealing with. The likelihood of the one game having an effect on the playoffs of a 162 game season this year is minor, and even then, it feebles in comparison to something as historic as a perfect game. [/b']

 

In all fairness, I think that the other call should be overturned as well, and that replay should have been used in the Min/Sea game as well. I'm just saying that the perfect game is BY FAR more important than the Min/Sea game.

 

I only have so much care in me, and right now it's going to the perfect game, my girlfriend, a case of Sam Adam's Summer Ale, and MLB 2010 the show.

 

How have the Twins' last two regular seasons ended?

 

Hint: They played 163 games.

[Dipre]

First of all, I think that's the worst quote in sports, but beyond that, this is history that we're dealing with. The likelihood of the one game having an effect on the playoffs of a 162 game season this year is minor, and even then, it feebles in comparison to something as historic as a perfect game.

 

In all fairness, I think that the other call should be overturned as well, and that replay should have been used in the Min/Sea game as well. I'm just saying that the perfect game is BY FAR more important than the Min/Sea game.

 

I only have so much care in me, and right now it's going to the perfect game, my girlfriend, a case of Sam Adam's Summer Ale, and MLB 2010 the show.

 

Which Dipre will kick your ass in soon enough and you will lose most of your care for it.

[italstallianion]

How have the Twins' last two regular seasons ended?

 

Hint: They played 163 games.

 

 

 

That doesn't change anything, a perfect game is more important to me than one team's season. Either way, I believe in accuracy in both cases. I'm just saying that with the perfect game drama, I couldn't care less about the Min/Sea game.

 

Besides, if Minnesota was a legitamite title contender in either season, your point would have slightly more poignancy.

[italstallianion]

Which Dipre will kick your ass in soon enough and you will lose most of your care for it.

 

 

 

I hate online play. I'd rather play in person, and even then, I'm a nasty competitor. I should have a sign that says "Doesn't play well with others". You'd probably win, but I'm a sore loser, so I'd probably break a lot of stuff. I just really hate losing.

[ORS]

I gave you two. The Twins/Mariners game' date=' which happened [i']the next day[/i] and that Cardinals/Royals World Series from way back when.

 

Instant replay is terrible in the NFL because if the referees blow three calls, and you challenge the first two, win, and then get that third challenge, then your still f***ed on the fourth blown call. It's also terrible because it slows the game down and they still get calls wrong, even with the replay. Don't you ever sit there while you're watching seventeen replays of a play to determine whether or not a guys knee was one half an inch off of the ground before the ball popped loose or whether there was a single blade of green grass in between a guys toes and the sideline and say to yourself "what's the f***ing point?"

 

By the way, doesn't the fact that the whole god damn country is up in arms over a blown call that cost a guy a perfect game (his team still won) yet noone seems to care about the fact that an obvious blown call in the Twins/Mariners cost the Twins the game bother anybody?

Both of those are hypotheticals. The Twins/Mariners is a 1-1 game going into the 11th with the correct call. You don't know if that call changed the outcome of the game, as the Mariners still could have won. The Denkinger call was in the 8th, same thing.

 

This situation was unique in that the outcome and score would have been unchanged if the call was overturned.

[See Red]

Both of those are hypotheticals. The Twins/Mariners is a 1-1 game going into the 11th with the correct call. You don't know if that call changed the outcome of the game, as the Mariners still could have won. The Denkinger call was in the 8th, same thing.

 

This situation was unique in that the outcome and score would have been unchanged if the call was overturned.

 

The Denkinger call would've been the first out of the 9th inning.

 

It wasn't as much of a hypothetical in the Twins/Mariners games because the Mariners scored the game winning run on that play. They may have lost the game anyway, but they didn't get a chance to play it out, which is the issue. They may not have won, but they surely lost because of that specific play.

[rhet]

The Denkinger call would've been the first out of the 9th inning.

 

It wasn't as much of a hypothetical in the Twins/Mariners games because the Mariners scored the game winning run on that play. They may have lost the game anyway, but they didn't get a chance to play it out, which is the issue. They may not have won, but they surely lost because of that specific play.

 

The Cards lost the game AFTER the Denkinger call, not BECAUSE of it. They lost the series when they couldn't win game 6 or game 7, despite having a lead after Denkinger's call in game 6.

 

That is quite different than an ump's blown call on what would have been the last play of a game.

[yankees228]

The Denkinger call would've been the first out of the 9th inning.

 

It wasn't as much of a hypothetical in the Twins/Mariners games because the Mariners scored the game winning run on that play. They may have lost the game anyway, but they didn't get a chance to play it out, which is the issue. They may not have won, but they surely lost because of that specific play.

 

While you're right about the Denkinger call (in terms of when it happened), your post doesn't counter ORS' argument. Fact is, Jim Joyce's blown call did take place in a very unique situation, and is not analogous to the two examples you provided.

[Youker20]

Does fenway park allow dogs into the stadium?

[DirtDog331724632256]

Does fenway park allow dogs into the stadium?

 

yeah they call em fenway franks

[Dipre]

Cole Hamels no-hitting the Padres through six.

[See Red]

And Adrian Gonzalez puts an end to the no-hitter and the shutout in one swing.

[MDF3530]

Um, you might want to turn on the White Sox-Cubs game. Both Lilly and Floyd have no-nos through five.