Sox continue to try to deal Manny

[riverside sluggers]

Trust me, the Sox would be able to fork over the money for him. I could see something like 5 years/$60 million. Lee is worth that money

 

Yes Pujols would be good, but regardless Cardinals wouldnt trade him at all. And I perish the thought of Bostron trading away my big papi, including two more of our top prospects. So that should be a dead issue

[TheRivernator]

There is one HR threat that I know will be a free agent

 

If there was any way for Sox to acquire Derrek Lee this next offseason, it would make my day instantly. Sorry if I posted this in another thread. Im just gonna be lobbying this season in hopes of Boston acquiring the 6'-5" power slugging 1st baseman.

 

Its insurance in case Manny is traded, or even a hell of a bonus with Manny still in the lineup.

 

3. Ortiz

4. Ramirez

5. Lee

 

You have to remember that the biggest contract given by the current sox regime was to schilling, and the highest offensive salary given by the regime was to ERent and Vtek. I dont think Lee would settle for 4 yrs 40, he would likely ask for much more than Konerko and may command Magglio money at 5 yr 75 mil. I dont see the sox shelling out that kind of coin....

[ORS]

You have to remember that the biggest contract given by the current sox regime was to schilling, and the highest offensive salary given by the regime was to ERent and Vtek. I dont think Lee would settle for 4 yrs 40, he would likely ask for much more than Konerko and may command Magglio money at 5 yr 75 mil. I dont see the sox shelling out that kind of coin....

If Lee has another year like he did last year, then yeah, he'll command that type of money. Saying the Sox FO wouldn't pony up that kind of dough is a bit judgemental since no bat of that caliber has hit the market since they took over. One thing is certain, they freed up some money this offseason to go into next season's FA market, which is considerably better than the last 3 have been.

[TheRivernator]

If Lee has another year like he did last year, then yeah, he'll command that type of money. Saying the Sox FO wouldn't pony up that kind of dough is a bit judgemental since no bat of that caliber has hit the market since they took over. One thing is certain, they freed up some money this offseason to go into next season's FA market, which is considerably better than the last 3 have been.

 

It is considerably better than this yrs market was. I still think that the 05 market was a good one. Either way, there is a big distinction between the cream and the rest of the crop for this next one, so there will either be huge money or no money paid...

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

If Lee has the same kind of year he had last season I could easily see him looking for a contract like the one Pujols got. (It was something like 7 years for 100 mill).

[ORS]

Lee will be 30 next year, meaning whoever signs him gets hm for 31+, so I don't see him getting 7 years. The Cards extended Pujols for years 25+, so the 7 years they gave him made sense.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Lee will be 30 next year, meaning whoever signs him gets hm for 31+, so I don't see him getting 7 years. The Cards extended Pujols for years 25+, so the 7 years they gave him made sense.

I doubt he would get it but what I said was he would be looking for a contract similar to it.

[seabeachfred]

Tony, I thought about Santana for Manny straight up and, sorry about that, I reject it out of hand. Think of Ruth and Gehrig. No, David and Manny are quite in that class, but they sure as hell beat any one-two power and RBI punch of any team in baseball. One thing I don't want to see is the Big Papi lumbering his way down to first on another intrenional walk after another this year. With Manny behind him we have no worries about that; without Manny the pressure becomes intense on Tek, Trot, Lowell and Youk to supply power that could knock the off of their game. Later for that.

[kreinbihl34]

Either Lee would be a big pickup but I would still want Derrek. Youk or Lowell both could be flops (hopefully not). Also they both are similar age (carlos is a year younger) they both probably want 4-5 year contacts but I wouldn't give anything over 3 years 40mil... we don't want aging former allstars like the yanks.

[nueva]

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND! Manny for prospects that is bologna Manny can only be delt for high end Un-Signed/Signed players such as a Vlad/or Tejada.

[jsinger121]

no we can't.....if the red sox would be able to get ervin santana, figgins, brandon wood, and howie kenrick for manny.....manny would have been gone already.

[TheRivernator]

no we can't.....if the red sox would be able to get ervin santana, figgins, brandon wood, and howie kenrick for manny.....manny would have been gone already.

 

I think the angels should eventually make a deal, but the price the sox were asking for was unrealistic. Kendry Morales, Darrin Erstad should get it done so long as the angels eat the entire contract....

[jsinger121]

i would not make that deal at all.....the red sox don't have to trade manny.....they only will trade manny if it benefits their future. erstad is a stiff now.

[TheRivernator]

i never seen a bigger ballwasher such as yourself.......i can't wait til cano comes back to earth because frankly i don' think that he is that good.

 

Hey f*** you man. Seriously, I am a ballwasher? Have you read the s*** that your are writing? You would defend the aging, injured, "coming off a career low" loretta yet dump on a 22 yr old 2b who improved as the season went along and had a solid yr? Your logic boggles the mind. Try some realism some time.

 

Here are some recent moronic comments, paraphrased no doubt, made by you.

 

1. Pedroia is basically better than Eckstein

he doesn't even compare to eckstein....from what i have seen of him he is a better fielder with a much stronger arm and has alot more plate discipline

 

2. Loretta is going to be great this yr

3. Cano is going to suck this yr

can't wait til cano comes back to earth because frankly i don' think that he is that good

 

4. Having a good single A level is meaningless

having a successful single A is meaningless and does not mean the big club will be successful in the future.

 

more ballwashing

(ellsbury)still about 2 seasons away but showed tons of promise last yr in lowell. great speed. gets on-base. needs to develop more power.

 

the yankees could have helped themselves last yr when they could have taken craig hansen but instead took cj henry. (btw, neither has contributed to the MLB in a positive way yet, but good job with that one skippy)

 

pitching and defense wins championships.....the red sox have both

 

schilling has no arm problems. at the end of the yr he looked as if he was just about back. now he has shed alot of the fat and got back in shape for the season. i wouldn't be shocked to see him win 18-20 games in 2006. he is fully healed and it was an injury that from the get go they said it would be 18 months for a full recovery back to normal

 

one question, do you swallow after you suck off all that sperm?

 

You are a ballwasher and much more my friend and I think you have received your share of reacharounds in your time. Not every position is perfect, there are problems on both teams, but at the same time give credit where credit is due. Your lack of intellectual reasoning is showing and your blatant "rose-colored glasses" are very apparent. You want realism

 

Yankees-

Their age is a concern

Their injury history in the rotation is a concern

Their DH is a concern

Their catcher is a concern

The bullpen being able to repeat 2005 stats while on other teams is a concern

Some bigger than others, but they are all concerning. If healthy, this team should be great even with the above mentioned concerns

 

Red Sox

The 2b, ss, and 3b are coming off career lows, that has to be a sox fans concern

The cfer is a young kid from a small market replacing an icon, the pressure has to be a concern

Beckett's arm and history of mediocrity outside of friendly confines should be a concern

Schilling in every aspect is a concern

Clement and Foulke lack of nutsack is a concern

Nixon has to be a concern

The middle relief making a smooth transition to boston is a concern

 

 

Even if healthy, the sox have no idea how they will be. Lowell, Loretta and AGon may be on the fast track downhill or 2005 may have been a mirage. Beckett may just need to get out of the humidity of florida and his blisters will go away. Maybe he can make a seamless ALE transition. Maybe Schilling is fine now and truly hasnt lost it. Here is the thing, both teams have concerns, but I think the biggest concerns lie within the sox organization, but I also believe that the biggest gain can lie on the sox side. If Clement, Beckett and Schilling get back to what worked and gel together, then the top of the rotation will be stellar and will propel them to the playoffs no doubt, but that might not be the likely scenario. While the yankee concerns are worrisome, I think they have enough in lineup and pitching to get them to the playoffs even if they have some injury probs. Therein lies the difference. The yankees have enough collaterals to withstand a problem or 2 and their lineup can mash their way to many wins even if the pitching implodes. The sox will need to rely on schilling, beckett, and clement to get them there and that will be a big task, because the offense invariably took a step back. Now if the sox pitching did gel and all 3 harnessed their abilities, then the sox will be the team to beat in the playoffs. If not, then the sox wont make the playoffs. See what I mean.

 

Now, try to debunk that mr balls deep....

[jsinger121]

you have cano pinned for the hall of fame already and he hasn't been in the bigs for a season.

 

all im doing is giving my evaluation of some of our prospects i have seen and to me some of them are impressive.

[seabeachfred]

Hey Riverman, later for the filthy language. If you don't agree with a Red Sox fan, fine, but don't live up to the low opinion most of us Red Sox fans have of Yankee rooters. Cano has some talent, no question, but to say he is better than Loretta is loony at best, and ridiculous at worst. If we were all honest with ourselves we would all come to the conclusion that it is going to be a three-team race with Toronto in there as well, and the team that could avoid injuries and play to their abilities is going to win. You have a beef with that summation? Let's hear it.

[a700hitter]

no we can't.....if the red sox would be able to get ervin santana, figgins, brandon wood, and howie kenrick for manny.....manny would have been gone already.

I wonder what the odds are that any one of them will become a Hall of Famer. To trade a sure-fire Hall of Famer still in his prime for prospects is not equal value, no matter how hot the prospects. Only a team in financial distress should make such a trade. The Red Sox are not in financial distress.

[jsinger121]

santana is a pretty good pitcher. figgins is a very solid player who can play anywhere. brandon wood hit 50 homers last season. and howie kenrick batted .330.....if the angels were to do this deal the red sox would not hesitate....they would accept immediately...its called flexibility and the best package the red sox could even get in return.

[a700hitter]

santana is a pretty good pitcher. figgins is a very solid player who can play anywhere. brandon wood hit 50 homers last season. and howie kenrick batted .330.....if the angels were to do this deal the red sox would not hesitate....they would accept immediately...its called flexibility and the best package the red sox could even get in return.

It's still not equal value. It's a grab bag of top prospects, but not equal value. The fact that the Sox would do it immediately if it were offered only proves that it would be a distress sale. They must be afraid that keeping Manny will be disruptive.

[jsinger121]

its called getting payroll flexibility while getting a very good package in return. they would be getting a young pitcher in ervin santana who was solid last yr along with figgins who can play anywhere and 2 of the best prospects in the game that will become fixtures in the red sox infield for years. i have no doubt in my mind the sox would have made that move. it was the angels who rejected it.

[a700hitter]

its called getting payroll flexibility while getting a very good package in return. they would be getting a young pitcher in ervin santana who was solid last yr along with figgins who can play anywhere and 2 of the best prospects in the game that will become fixtures in the red sox infield for years. i have no doubt in my mind the sox would have made that move. it was the angels who rejected it.

Free up payroll by getting rid of underperforming players, but not one of the top RH run producers of all time. Santana is a hot prospect, but he is still not a proven commodity. Figgins may play a bunch of positions, but he is not too good at any of them. I was at Fenway when he played RF in a day game and he looked clueless. I kept hoping that something would get hit his way. He's not very confidence-inspiring at 3B either. You can look up the stats and tell me that he has very few errors etc. etc., but numbers don't tell the full story when it come to defense. He's not very good at any position and he is below average at some. Also, he's a bit of a choker offensively in big series. Quantity does not equal quality no matter where they quantity is rated in the top 100 prospects. Those predictions don't mean much

[jsinger121]

i just said the angels were the ones who rejected the trade.....the red sox were the ones who proposed it and were willing to do it. again you have never even seen what wood or kenrick can do and i will take santana on a staff anyday. i love manny but if the red sox are going to trade him i would trade him for this package in a second.

[Manny Goes Boom]

its called getting payroll flexibility while getting a very good package in return. they would be getting a young pitcher in ervin santana who was solid last yr along with figgins who can play anywhere and 2 of the best prospects in the game that will become fixtures in the red sox infield for years. i have no doubt in my mind the sox would have made that move. it was the angels who rejected it.

 

We need more than just prospects. And why the hell are we worried about payroll flexibility? We're not talking about the Tampa Bay Devil Rays...this is the Boston Red Sox. We had the secodn highest payroll in baseball last year and have for years. We haven't had a problem paying him his money before what the hells the problem with paying it now?

 

Fielding prospects=100 loss seasons and pissed fans bro...we also need proven vets, thank God your not Theo's ACTUAL assistant, because we would be like the Arizona Diamondbacks and in last place for like ever. We have plenty of spects and have great chemistry, no need to f*** with the team anymore.

[jsinger121]

the red sox proposed the trade to the angels so i guess im not the only one who would do the trade. one problem is the angels rejected it immediately because they know what they have in santana, wood, and kendrick.

 

everyone know the deal will never go down because the angels would never do that no matter how good manny is.

[kreinbihl34]

Free up payroll by getting rid of underperforming players, but not one of the top RH run producers of all time. Santana is a hot prospect, but he is still not a proven commodity. Figgins may play a bunch of positions, but he is not too good at any of them. I was at Fenway when he played RF in a day game and he looked clueless. I kept hoping that something would get hit his way. He's not very confidence-inspiring at 3B either. You can look up the stats and tell me that he has very few errors etc. etc., but numbers don't tell the full story when it come to defense. He's not very good at any position and he is below average at some. Also, he's a bit of a choker offensively in big series. Quantity does not equal quality no matter where they quantity is rated in the top 100 prospects. Those predictions don't mean much

 

The reason he (Figgins) is not very good at all the positions is simpile because he plays all of them. Anyone that has to play everywhere doesn't get the time that others get to improve their skills at one place. If I was boston I would drop all the prospects and maybe ask Vlad and Figgins for Manny plus 10mil??

[jsinger121]

the angels are not trading vlady because they are trying to find someone to protect him in the lineup.

[a700hitter]

i just said the angels were the ones who rejected the trade.....the red sox were the ones who proposed it and were willing to do it. again you have never even seen what wood or kenrick can do and i will take santana on a staff anyday. i love manny but if the red sox are going to trade him i would trade him for this package in a second.

I don't doubt that the Sox proposed the trade and that the Angels turned it down. I don't think it represents equal value from a talent perspective. Just because the Sox offered it and the Angels turned it down doesn't mean the Sox would be getting equal talent. When Manny is involved, his contract is a huge factor. I think that such a trade would hurt the team's performance in '06, probably in '07 and maybe even in '08 unless some of those big prospects pan out.

[kreinbihl34]

But if I were the Angels I might look back at Vald's poor performance in the playoffs

[jsinger121]

he had a poor performance because he rarely got anything to hit. who did he have protecting him? and don't tell me an aging garrett anderson is his so called protection because he is not.

[a700hitter]

...the angels rejected it immediately because they know what they have in santana, wood, and kendrick.

They think they know what they have. They will not know for sure until these guys prove themselves at the ML level. There are very few can't miss prospects, and even they can get derailed by injury and other misfortune.