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  1. You don’t have to do any WAR. All you have to see is 35 starts, and 175-200 innings, and the rest will thr care of itself.🙈
  2. Been lots of what if questions on here if he was one. Really!🤫
  3. And Crochet isn’t a FA, and wouldn’t be one for the next two seasons.
  4. You are really going to compare the Yam Man, and Cro Man’s resume at age 25?🙈🤭. Yam Man had already thrown 897 innings compared to 219 for Crochet. Yes it was in another country, but that’s not even close to an = comparison. If, if, if on Crochet. Everyone is very well aware of that. I’m all for offering Crochet an extension, but just not as high as your suggestion of starting him out with $20M+ the next two years.
  5. I don’t think it has anything to do with being an old schooler at all. I’ve asked for comps, and I’ve been told there is no comp, and there is a reason for that No pitcher that I know of has been paid $20M a year, and given a 6 figure contract after only pitching 219 career innings, and only 146 as a starter. It doesn’t matter his age, his years of service, his arbitration, or FA status. No doubt he has good stuff, and potential' but some on here are trying to to make him out to be better than he is at this point in his career. He may get there, and then again he might not. I get it that the RED Sox traded some precious highly rated suspects For him, and everyone wants him to tun out to be one of a kind.
  6. What’s not easy to predict is what the Red Sox will offer.
  7. Brez was in an extending mood. He tried to get Casas to extend too.
  8. What would Duran get if he was a FA? What would Houck get if he was a FA? What would Casas get if he was a FA. What will Pivetta get, because he IS a FA?
  9. I never said it did, so once again I’ll point out the FACT that he is NOT a FA, and won’t be until 2027. Why do you keep bringing up FA when Cro Man is NOT a FA. I don’t care what Cro Man would get as a FA, because he is NOT one. All I care about right now is 2025.
  10. $3.8M is what Cro Man is worth this year. How is that Mumbo jumbo?
  11. I can’t answer, because he’s not a FA. Who say’s he worth $20M now? Time' and process says NO.I don’t have any problem offering $20M in 2027. I have a problem offering him $20M in 2025, or 2026. I get all you’re saying, but where we differ is I want to see more innings under his belt, before I start offering him the big bucks. Same with Houck, or more AB from Duran to do it again this year.
  12. What he would get as a FA two years from now would depend on what he would do the next two years. He’s not a FA right now, so it’s really irrelevant. Be happy the Red Sox won a bidding war with other teams. They just did it with suspects instead of with money. Most likely others wouldn’t give up what the Red Sox did.
  13. I get all that but,the FACT is Skubal, and Cro Man are not FA. Time, and process, time, and process.
  14. It doesn’t matter why he has a limited IP sample size. That doesn’t change the fact that he does. You’re basing that he’s that good after 1 yr, and 146 innings as a starter, and I’m not. That’s the difference. I know you want him to be that good, and I do too, but to me he has to show he can go 35 starts, and 175+ innings as a,starter, and do it again. Houck had a good year last year, and I want to see him do it again, before I offer him a big long term contract. Same with Duran. Good year last year, but can he do it again? That’s why these guys are where they’re at contract wise, because of Arbitration. Skubal is only getting $10M this year after winning the Cy Young.. Time, and process.
  15. #1 I don’t see the Red Sox signing, or trading for a 3B this year without getting rid of Casas, or Yoshida, so I certainly don’t think there is any big brain storming going on to do that, and in return playing Yoshida in LF. I just don’t see it.
  16. Injury concern is always there for a pitcher. The lack of innings pitched is just a big factor to me in offering him a long term big money contract especially paying him $20M+ for this year as some have suggested on here.
  17. I understand all of this, but the fact is he has only pitched 219 career innings, and only 146 innings as a starter. Having missed time for whatever reason doesn’t change that. No doubt he has good stuff, but that doesn’t always translate to success on the mound. I would just like to see more innings under his belt, before I offer him a huge long term contract.
  18. This has nothing to do, or take away from the fact that Cro Man has such a limited resume,
  19. They only way I see Masa spending much time in the OF this coming year is if Masa is raking at the time, and not hitting pingpong ball to the IF, and someone like Raffy being injured, so he can’t play in the field, but can DH.
  20. Sale got out from under the bad injury juju that has enveloped Boston the past few years that has bitten Story since he’s been here, and got Gio last year. I don’t think ANYONE is saying nobody has ever had a bounce back year in Boston.
  21. Bogey already had a long resume, and had won two championships with the Red Sox when he signed while Cro Man doesn’t have much of a resume at all.
  22. I agree that locking Bogey long term would not have been worth it long term.
  23. I agree on Masa not doing much of a sniff in the OF unless he’s still looking for that ball that got stuck in that lightbulb in the wall.
  24. Like Sale they would probably have to play for someone else.
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