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I’d bet my first born son we are not done. The vast majority of trades happen right up against the deadline

Yeah I saw a few tweets, but like….i don’t know what to trust on twitter on a day like today. Plenty of smoke. it feels like Kelly is the ceiling for how expensive the Sox wanna get. I don’t hate it, it’s certainly much better than a lot of the other names we’ve heard floating around. Kelly has been solid this year

I want Joe Ryan but I have a feeling we will end up with Merrill Kelly. which I wouldn’t completely hate

Yeah, given the low cost of a 1B I've moved 1B up on my own personal priority list. I still want a starter. Not sure any of the names I want are realistic but there are guys out there after Joe Ryan who may have more availability as well. Merrill Kelly has been mentioned, along with Cease. Not sure how I feel about Cease but if the Sox think they can get him right they could probably totally take advantage of SD.......who I would definitely take advantage of if I could.

I'd offer Abreu/Tolle/Arias

The more I think about it, the more I think Joe Ryan should be the move. But it would be very unlike the Sox to trade like that at the deadline. But it would be weclomed. Crochet/Ryan/Giolito/Bello is going beat teams.

I'm not sure Blaze Jordan is the loss some people think it is, if it is then good for him. I just don't think he can keep up with velocity and will be exposed at the MLB level. He's still young, but he's a bad ball hitter. Very Dalbec like, probably a AAAA for lifer. If he were to prove me wrong I'd be happy for him.

Even when the Red Sox were making bad moves, or insignificant moves in recent years.....when have they ever made just ONE move? I'm not saying you'll like them but there will be more today. Over under on Red Sox moves today at......2?

This kind of sounds like advocating the “hug the line” strategy at the deadline that we’ve all grown to hate and arguably got Breslows predecessor fired. id rather they sell, and stock up on assets for Bergman, Chapman, and Gio. my first preference is to buy and make a run

That’s works out bad too, lots of people wanted DeGrome a few years back who has been nothing but a basket of injury. Lots of people wanted Montgomery two years ago and he’s been hurt and pitching awful. Lots of people (including me) wanted Burnes last year and that would be an absolute disaster right now. your list would have included Giolito, but I see it does not because he’s pitching great this year. someone once said, there’s almost no such thing as a bad one year deal.

The majority of deadline deals happen on the actual day of the deadline, with the vast majority of all deals happening on the deadline and the days leading up. whatever move the Sox do or do not make, I suspect we won’t see it until at least the middle of next week. Buy, sell, regardless I’ll bet we don’t see it until at least Wednesday

So you’re angry at them for not making a move, top of the first inning for trade deadline deals, but you’re angry they haven’t made one yet to a team that you now say may not be good enough to add any talent? your post is confusing.

Ok, but as I said, almost no one has made a move yet. This happens every single year at the deadline. A move or two isn't analogous with everyone making moves and switching teams. It's like popping popcorn and you heard two kernels pop.

Who has made a big move yet? almost no one has moved so far.

I'm sure they have all kinds of athletic trainers, nutritionists, and exercise scientists doing all sorts of things. The problem is there's a difference in results vs. how you train. How you train has a very real physiological response in your body that may not match up with what's best for you physically in the long run. Baseball is maybe the best example of this, or at least the baseball pitcher. The pitching motion is an unnatural one, with some pitches being even worse than others E.G. the splitter. The training is functional to performance, and that comes at the cost of increased risk of injury You can teach all the proper strength training, nutrition, and stretching in the world and guys are still going to blow their elbows out. In todays game, they're getting to kids younger, they're getting them into pitch labs, and they're getting more velocity and more spin from today's pitchers than every before. The downside of this has been the uptick in injury. Proper stretching and strength training to reduce the likelihood of injury isn't moving in lockstep with the increased pressure that throwing a splitter faster does to the human elbow. I think it's very easy for someone, who doesn't feel like jumping in to take a look at everything under the hood to just say something along the lines of "players just aren't built like they used to be" I don't believe that. The average athlete today is much stronger, bigger, and faster than they were just a few decades ago. To reiterate my earlier point - Sports specific training is functional to that sport, and at times that can be at the cost of increased risk of injury over the long term.

I think a better question would be, are today’s players more injury prone? ain’t no one playing thru a completely torn ACL. 1925 or 2025.

And I say that as someone who uses BTV all the time. I think its' a great great tool, but it should be taken with a grain of salt everytime.

ADD - While I wholeheartedly agree with this statement I think we also must acknowledge that every individual team values players differently. I bet if we were to measure the value of the trades that take place on BTV compared to the deadline we'd find some are a lot closer to others, and some are going to be WAY off. One thing that we just don't know as fans is how much teams value guys and certainly how much they value the prospects of another team.

But....how many owners say "yeah I hate our team, these guys suck f*** em" What owner has ever acted like that?

The Dude had a 6.75 ERA here giving up 26 hits in 18.2 innings. They easily could have found someone else to give those innings too. I agree it was the logical move at the time, I picked this trade for my answer because I was disappointed. I was disappointed because I expected so much more out of him

While certainly not the worse deadline trade but one of the most disappointing ones in my mind is the Eric Gagne trade. I thought the Sox were going to have just an absolute LIGHTS OUT bullpen between him and Paps and he literally laid a complete egg the moment he arrived in Boston. the trade didn't hurt them that much. The best piece the ended up giving up in that deal was David Murphy, who had a few good seasons but was never great or had a prolonged career. He was a career BWar 9.9

BTV ACCepts this trade. Boston Sends Jarren Duran, Jonhanfran Garcia & Walker Buehler to SD for Dylan Cease, Ethan Salas, Kash Mayfield, and Wandy Peralta. Odds of this trade happening? .0011% give or take.

Yes, You could be the best player in existence. You could be Babe Ruth, if Babe Ruth was on PED"s and had a baby with Babe Ruth on PED's and then put that baby on PED's and still be on a sucky team if the teams sucks. There's a reason why all those guys were shipped out of town on a s***** team.

In my opinion, regardless of what the article says Cease is going to cost XYZ, if there's a better pitcher trade for out there he's going to cost that much more than XYZ. I'm not for a Cease trade, but I'm not against it either. If the cost is fair compared to other pitchers on the market and the Sox have faith in their ability to get him right I'd almost certainly be ok with targeting him.

It's not a forgone conclusion that it is or isn't. The future has not been written, the ink is not dry.