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This is tanking at its most extreme. 16 losses in their final 32 games would clinch the worst record in MLB. And that number gets smaller with every Colorado win…
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So it was offered and rejected, and the theory was Bogaerts would have accepted it if it was offered earlier?
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Defending Henry? Because Sale didn’t pitch for four years? After some team - possibly Atlanta - offered to take Sale’s whole deal and give nothing back, and Bloom was ripped for passing. Yet two injuries later, and Sale was a definite keeper? Because I don’t pretend to know all the negotiations and try to pass off theories and suspicions as facts? I don’t defend Henry. I also don’t judge and condemn on hindsight. I guess I’m just not the same level of insider as others…
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Here it is, only August 25th. Roughly 20% of the baseball season left. And the White Sox, with 32 games left on their schedule, find themselves 33 games out of FOURTH place. Yes, the 2024 Chicago White Sox have clinched LAST PLACE before September. How the f*** does a team clinch last place by this date?!? This is a record for ineptitude…
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It hasn’t worked out, but Story did show terrific D. Something Kike made us realize the imports of at SS…
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I didn’t like the signing, but the pre-emptive strike might have made sense depending on the negotiations. And Story has shown some skills the Sox sorely need. But he needs to stay on the field. But kudos to your 20/20 hindsight. I assume it is because you keep bashing the Sale trade despite Sale having more health concerns than Story had…
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8/24 Arizona @ SOX 4:10PM ET
notin replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Altuve is taller than you think. He just stands really far back in the batters box… -
While I’m sure Bogaerts was open to an extension, we don’t know what his demands were…
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A .691 OPS for a $26mill player who couldn’t keep his position is not a good sign…
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It would look better if he actually pitched…
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Bogaerts is having a rough year, too. .691 OPS and already moved off position. But hey, only 9 years left! And did you believe the Sox knew they wouldn’t sign Bogaerts because his contract would be too big orb they didn’t want him at any price?
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Yes he had a 7 ERA. He also pitched on 3 teams and got divorced in that timeframe. I suppose it’s also possible he had a ligament issue at that time. He has a a fairly good-sized career of not being a 7 ERA pitcher. It was a one year deal. If he opts out, the Sox make a QO, which he likely rejects since it was roughly the same size as the option he rejected. If he does accept you get your second year…
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If Giolito was the guy with 140 IP and Sale had 0, I think we’d all feel differently about this deal. And given both of them from 2020-2023, that was the far more likely outcome…
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They signed Story year before Bogaerts left. The two played together for a season. I don’t know if they didn’t want Bogaerts or they didn’t want him at h his expected contract. I only know that they are closer to him and his demands than I am, and that Bogaerts’ agent (Scott Boras) is not a guy a player hires when he wants to give a hometown discount…
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Maybe they shouldn’t, but he’s not as hopeless as this board portrays. His similarity scores by age do include Pablo López and Kevin Gausman, which would be terrific if that trend continues. Of course they also include guts like Jason Dickson, who had a minimal career cut short by injury…
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The Red Sox probably disagree with you and think they have two very good ace candidates in house already in Houck and Bello. They will need one starter plus depth for next year. And they have both infield and outfield crunches. But if you want a top tier starting pitcher, expect to have to deal from the set of Mayer, Duran, Casas and/or Anthony. Packages headlined by Wilyer Abreu won’t cut it. And no you can’t add in additional players to make it work, unless one of those players is Mayer, Duran, Casas, and/or Anthony. But expect one starter and hopefully some depth. Next year’s bullpen already has Hendriks, Fulmer, Whitlock (please, please, please leave him here), Kelly, Winckowski, and Slaten penciled in. A lefty or two and some depth.
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The Sox do trade hitting for pitching. That’s how we got Winckowski, Paxton, Sims, Garcia, Wingenter, Weissert, Fitts and Sandlin. And probably a few others…
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The notion of spending some huge amount on pitching just isn’t realistic. Hitters are flat out safer investments…
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I bet you can find some sabermetrician who disagrees. After, if you’ve found a good hitter’s weakness, aren’t you going to exploit it regardless of who’s up next?
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Devers got more years, but he was also 6 years younger (I think).
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Pitching around hitters is situational. Calling for lineup protection is not. Unless you mean some hitters need it and some don’t. I can agree to that. It’s not a universal requirement however, and it’s easy to find hitters posting MVP numbers without it. I’ll start that bidding with Jose Ramirez, who does so every year. (And Josh Naylor and his Connor Wong-esque .781 OPS are absolutely not “lineup protection” in the vein of Manny-Ortiz.)
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https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2015/5/19/8614817/lineup-protection-myth-reality-exists I so meant to attach that but failed. Oops. It’s not about whether or not a walk is as good as a hit. That’s something Little League coaches tell kids as they try to convince them a hit really does differ from a fielder’s choice. The article talks about how protection leads to more walks. But that’s what not protecting also leads to…
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Devers’ AAV is the same as Price got way back in December, 2015..,
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Not true. Unless you’re only talking about money. My belief (re: the truth of the matter) is ownership would greatly prefer dealing prospects/players to spending money. Fans often feel the other way, but then it’s not their money. The Sox have a couple potential crunches in the infield and outfielder next season. I could see the Sox dealing from this depth, but if you want really good pitching, Duran or Anthony are more likely than Abreu. And Mayer will be more desired than Grissom or Story…
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Here is an article that definitively says lineup protection exists, complete with numerous quotes from many recently retired players. (It’s a few years old.) Of course, it concludes that lineup protection leads to an uptick in walks, which is exactly what not protecting your best hitter also leads to (if he’s patient). So their claim that it exists proves it doesn’t. And in this age of analytics, where many players have their weaknesses mapped out and where OBP is valued more than it used to be, the notion of walking hitters rather than attacking their weaknesses seems far less likely…
