Early Trade deadline deals the selling Sox should make

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He's 32. His speed is down. His arm strength is down. A lot of his value is tied into his defense and that is going in the wrong direction. Now that he's also struggling with the bat, his numbers will fall off the table. Being a switch hitter at Fenway (with a pull approach for a LHB) wouldn't help him either. 

3 years for Lindor? Go for it. 5? It's a lot...

What about Marshmallow Mayer, and Arias in the wings? NO chance.

[Old Red]

57 minutes ago, notin said:

You do realize well over 99% of Internet trade suggestions (of which this wasn’t really one) never happen, right?  But without them, it greatly reduces forum discussions.  And it’s not like they’re limited to TalkSox.  I challenge you to find a baseball forum on the internet that doesn’t have any.

I can understand his contract being a deal breaker; you’re not alone there and it absolutely has potential.  But in this case, some folks think it’s a hypothetical risk worth taking.  Of course no one knows if Lindor is even available…

Never thought, or said it was a so called trade suggestion, and that’s why I called it a brain fart. Maybe go outside the internet, and you’d know  more of what’s being discussed, and you wouldn’t be on the wrong side of Memphis so often. As I said before hypothetical, or not it’s a NO GO. IMO.

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, drewski6 said:

What about Luis Arraez

I'm shocked by his numbers. He wants to stay at 2B.

He's 9th worst in hard hit% but top 30 in BAbip.

I think I'd pass, unless Seagler unravels in the next 3 weeks.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, notin said:

No one said Breslow will do it.  No one said the Mets would either, and no mention of a return.  The only discussion was that his contract isn’t a horrible deal breaker for some.

What if you really understood how hypothetical situations worked?

No matter how many times you say a suggestion is not a prediction, he can't grasp the concept.

I've even said, "I know Brez would never do this, but maybe this might work..." and he thinks because it didn't happen, I was wrong, even if the guy I wanted did grat afterwards.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

I am not going to forecast what Breslow would do. I think the Red Sox internal model is fed acid hourly. 

Kristian Campbell: he's actually a good defender

Romy/Masa platoon at DH: that should be as good as David Ortiz

Jarren Duran: mvp caliber player, untradeable

Mickey Gasper: he can play catcher!

Driveline: have them teach every player to only pull the ball in the air and swing for the fences every time

Trevor Story: actually was still good at SS! 

Kiké Hernandez: the greatest SS this organization has ever had! 

Love the Greatest Hits list, here.

[moonslav59]

30 minutes ago, notin said:

Fair.  His remaining production will definitely be front-loaded…

It just feels too much like we'd be buying into the next Story or Yoshida x 2.

I'd need the NYM to pay a big chunk (like $15-20M a year) to be persuaded. I doubt they'd do that.

Pay $10M a year and take Story (owed $30M counting the 2028 buy out) and it comes to about the same, but with more upfront savings on the budget. We'd still be paying Lindor $25M a year way past Story's 2027 age.

I know it's next to impossible to trade for a controlled younger player at the deadline. Those deals cost way less in the winter, so to me, if we buy, we should not trade top prospects and just get the best help we can get at RHB and RP. Maybe two bats and hope the pen holds up with Bello there and Sandoval about to join him once Suarez returns.

[Old Red]

6 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

No matter how many times you say a suggestion is not a prediction, he can't grasp the concept.

I've even said, "I know Brez would never do this, but maybe this might work..." and he thinks because it didn't happen, I was wrong, even if the guy I wanted did grat afterwards.

Ah The Man Behind The Curtain differentiated a suggestion versus a suggestion like one cannot be as wrong as the other. They can, and they are. 

[notin]

33 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Never thought, or said it was a so called trade suggestion, and that’s why I called it a brain fart. Maybe go outside the internet, and you’d know  more of what’s being discussed, and you wouldn’t be on the wrong side of Memphis so often. As I said before hypothetical, or not it’s a NO GO. IMO.

Enlighten us to what the folks outside the Internet are saying…

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

If you take Bello's opener starts out of the pen, their fWAR is middle of the road. It's an average pen IMO. They could use another arm if they really are serious about competing. 

If you remove Bello, we go from being 3rd by a large margin to 3rd by a smaller margin.  But still 3rd.  But more importantly, our 1-4 will be Chapman, Whitlock, Slaten and Guerrero.  I don't think I'd want to pay a large-ish price to improve that.  And the 5-8 is Weissert, Watson, Moran and Bello.  And I don't think I'd like to pay a lot to improve our 5th inning chances.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Enlighten us to what the folks outside the Internet are saying…

Like they matter more, anyway.

I watch Lou Merloni on the "internet" and he seems pretty knowledgeable.

 

[mvp 78]

48 minutes ago, Old Red said:

What about Marshmallow Mayer, and Arias in the wings? NO chance.

I wouldn't keep Lindor at SS if I traded for him.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

If you remove Bello, we go from being 3rd by a large margin to 3rd by a smaller margin.  But still 3rd.  But more importantly, our 1-4 will be Chapman, Whitlock, Slaten and Guerrero.  I don't think I'd want to pay a large-ish price to improve that.  And the 5-8 is Weissert, Watson, Moran and Bello.  And I don't think I'd like to pay a lot to improve our 5th inning chances.

Bello really hasn't been helping the pen during this winning stretch. is last appearance before Sunda was June 4th.

That being said, I do agree our pen will need help, since several SP'ers will see their pitch count or innings limited going forward. Maybe we even need a SP'er, since we cannot count on returns from Crochet, Early, Oviedo, Crawford and Houck. If some of these guys comeback, they might be better utilized from the pen.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I wouldn't keep Lindor at SS if I traded for him.

Beyond 2026, right?

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

If you remove Bello, we go from being 3rd by a large margin to 3rd by a smaller margin.  But still 3rd.  But more importantly, our 1-4 will be Chapman, Whitlock, Slaten and Guerrero.  I don't think I'd want to pay a large-ish price to improve that.  And the 5-8 is Weissert, Watson, Moran and Bello.  And I don't think I'd like to pay a lot to improve our 5th inning chances.

If you take his 0.7 reliever fWAR out, they fall to middle of the road in fWAR. Simple math really.

[notin]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I wouldn't keep Lindor at SS if I traded for him.

I think he should have to move to 2b at some point.  Now who knows how willing he is….

[mvp 78]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Beyond 2026, right?

Sure. Someone would have to COMMUNICATE a position change to him. 

Just like someone will have to do to Story when he comes back in a few weeks and ruins the vibe. 

[mvp 78]

Just now, notin said:

I think he should have to move to 2b at some point.  Now who knows how willing he is….

Diva. Don't trade for him.

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Diva. Don't trade for him.

If he is, thats a reason not to.  Agree there…

[Old Red]

19 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Like they matter more, anyway.

I watch Lou Merloni on the "internet" and he seems pretty knowledgeable.

 

Merloni is a Yucker. They don’t matter more anyway, but they just get things more right, and more often.

[Old Red]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Sure. Someone would have to COMMUNICATE a position change to him. 

Just like someone will have to do to Story when he comes back in a few weeks and ruins the vibe. 

Story Land will be an interesting case once he’s all fixed up, and ready to go. No one has laid claim to the SS job though especially Mayer.

[Old Red]

29 minutes ago, notin said:

Enlighten us to what the folks outside the Internet are saying…

I’ll just say this about that. I haven’t heard any discussions whatsoever about Lindor anywhere else.

[notin]

11 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I’ll just say this about that. I haven’t heard any discussions whatsoever about Lindor anywhere else.

So… nothing?

Even the discussions here about Lindor were more along the lines of “I would, if…” and no one expects anything to actually happen…

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

So… nothing?

Even the discussions here about Lindor were more along the lines of “I would, if…” and no one expects anything to actually happen…

I got all that, and my answer was i wouldn’t if. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[notin]

Just now, Old Red said:

I got all that, and my answer was i wouldn’t if. Nothing more. Nothing less.

And I think the “if” is very unlikely without increasing the prospect cost to uncomfortable levels…

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, notin said:

So… nothing?

Even the discussions here about Lindor were more along the lines of “I would, if…” and no one expects anything to actually happen…

I heard on a sportstalk down here in Texas that the Sox were asking about Paredes, but Lindor is their higher choice.

I don't put much stock in what others are saying.

[moonslav59]

Could these be possible Sox trade targets?

OPS v LHPs since 2025

1.030 Langeliers

.961 Andrew Vaughn

.949 Yordan Alvarez

.928  Sal Stewart

.921 Jo Adell

.920 Maikel Garcia

.915 Coby Mayo

.909 Taylor Ward

.908 Hunter Goodman

.907 KMarte

.898 Jeffers

.867 Andujar

.858 Hoerner

.857 Steer

.856 Torkelson

.855 Clement

.851 Reynolds

.849 G Torres

.847 Neto

.840 Jordan Beck

.827 Springer

.824 Francisco Alvarez

.822 Matt Shaw

.820 Bichette

.798 Okamoto

.797 Jake McCarthy

.772 Jeremy Pena

.748 Refsnyder (LOL)

 

 

[JoeBrady]

28 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I heard on a sportstalk down here in Texas that the Sox were asking about Paredes, but Lindor is their higher choice.

I don't put much stock in what others are saying.

I don't know why they would think Paredes is still a target.  He's unlikely to play 3B, unless Durbin slumps.  He can't play SS.  He's had 14 starts at 2B since 2022.  And I am not sure how much of an upgrade he is over Romy.

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

I’ll just say this about that. I haven’t heard any discussions whatsoever about Lindor anywhere else.

Section 10 mentioned it on a recent podcast. They are the biggest Red Sox podcast, big enough to get their own themed night at Fenway. 

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I don't know why they would think Paredes is still a target.  He's unlikely to play 3B, unless Durbin slumps.  He can't play SS.  He's had 14 starts at 2B since 2022.  And I am not sure how much of an upgrade he is over Romy.

DH?

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I don't know why they would think Paredes is still a target.  He's unlikely to play 3B, unless Durbin slumps.  He can't play SS.  He's had 14 starts at 2B since 2022.  And I am not sure how much of an upgrade he is over Romy.

Maybe the idea is Paredes DHs or plays 3B while Durbin plasy 2B.

Like I said, I don't put much value in what people say, unlike the resident clown poster.