Boston Red Sox Want An Upgrade At Catcher

[moonslav59]

22 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

just looked it up. Twins took him with the 4th pick and then the Giants traded for him.

I thought this was waivers

[notin]

4 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

they should have claimed Daniel Susac off waivers before the Giants did. 

Susac wasn’t waived.  He just wasn’t protected from being picked in the Rule 5 draft. 
 

Minnesota took him in the Rule 5 draft and traded him to San Fran in a similar transaction to the one in which the Sox acquired Ryan Watson…

[Larry Cook]

I believe narveaz play decreased in the second half for 2 reasons. First the knee injury that required surgery and kept him out of the wbc! 
second, over use because wong’s injuries rendered him obsolete and I believe he had wrist surgery this offseason! 
 

if Wong is healthy, I think he will hit better than Last season and can be used in rotation with narveaz to keep Narveaz fresh 

but the fact that we only have 2 catchers on the 40 man is a potential problem because injuries happen where we lack depth usually 

[mvp 78]

16 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

I see almost no chance Gray gets any serious playing time.  He's been with a who's who of teams that want cheap talent (PT, TB, Oak, Mia, WS) and hasn't stuck with any of them.

He's kinda set up here to do a 50/50 split at 2b with Romy if the Sox wiff on signing anyone. 

[mvp 78]

15 hours ago, notin said:

And about 4 years ago, you could apply that same description to Rob Refsnyder…

Romy was DFA'd by the worst team in the history of MLB. 

[moonslav59]

8 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

I believe narveaz play decreased in the second half for 2 reasons. First the knee injury that required surgery and kept him out of the wbc! 
second, over use because wong’s injuries rendered him obsolete and I believe he had wrist surgery this offseason! 
 

if Wong is healthy, I think he will hit better than Last season and can be used in rotation with narveaz to keep Narveaz fresh 

but the fact that we only have 2 catchers on the 40 man is a potential problem because injuries happen where we lack depth usually 

We have Contreras already on the 26, so we are better off than years past.

We may add a minor league guy before opening day.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

He's kinda set up here to do a 50/50 split at 2b with Romy if the Sox wiff on signing anyone. 

sp.com projects Gray making the 26 on their recent podcast but not on their page.

[mvp 78]

18 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We have Contreras already on the 26, so we are better off than years past.

We may add a minor league guy before opening day.

Contreras really is the 4th C. He should only be emergency depth at best. 

[notin]

38 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We have Contreras already on the 26, so we are better off than years past.

We may add a minor league guy before opening day.

Hopefully Contreras never catches.  Hes really not good at it anymore.  He has a dangerous tendency to set up far too close to hitters, something that came to light when JD Martínez broke Willson’s arm during his swing..

[notin]

21 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Contreras really is the 4th C. He should only be emergency depth at best. 

And if he ever catches, a fifth option and a backup 1b become essential…

[moonslav59]

23 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Contreras really is the 4th C. He should only be emergency depth at best. 

That's fine. 

I read somewhere that STL was fine with his catcher defense but were just logjammed there, last year. They had plans to use him at catcher in 2026 before the trade.

That being said, we do not want Contreras acting as the FT catcher for any long period of time, but he could carry the load until we sign someone, of add a catcher in AAA to the 40. I do not think we need to have another catcher on the 40 to start the season. We just need a guy at AAA that is capable of being promoted as a fill-in.

Is Jason Delay good enough? I doubt Rosario or Lira fit the bill.

[notin]

10 hours ago, notin said:

Susac wasn’t waived.  He just wasn’t protected from being picked in the Rule 5 draft. 
 

Minnesota took him in the Rule 5 draft and traded him to San Fran in a similar transaction to the one in which the Sox acquired Ryan Watson…

Probably not worth mentioning but with Daniel Susac on the Giants, he is now with the same organization his older brother Andrew began his career with 12 years ago…

[Hugh2]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Romy was DFA'd by the worst team in the history of MLB. 

I mean, the Dodgers picked up guys we DFA'd back when we sucked. 

[notin]

12 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

That's fine. 

I read somewhere that STL was fine with his catcher defense but were just logjammed there, last year. They had plans to use him at catcher in 2026 before the trade.

That being said, we do not want Contreras acting as the FT catcher for any long period of time, but he could carry the load until we sign someone, of add a catcher in AAA to the 40. I do not think we need to have another catcher on the 40 to start the season. We just need a guy at AAA that is capable of being promoted as a fill-in.

Is Jason Delay good enough? I doubt Rosario or Lira fit the bill.

I have very strong doubts the Cardinals had any plans to out Contreras back at catcher.  They rarely used a much better defender in Ivan Herrera behind the plate…

[notin]

2 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I mean, the Dodgers picked up guys we DFA'd back when we sucked. 

Ryan Brasier’s ears are burning…

[Hugh2]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Ryan Brasier’s ears are burning…

Exactly...

[moonslav59]

22 minutes ago, notin said:

I have very strong doubts the Cardinals had any plans to out Contreras back at catcher.  They rarely used a much better defender in Ivan Herrera behind the plate…

They had about 4-5 catchers, last year.

[moonslav59]

25 minutes ago, notin said:

I have very strong doubts the Cardinals had any plans to out Contreras back at catcher.  They rarely used a much better defender in Ivan Herrera behind the plate…

I heard somewhere there was talk of it. Can't find a link.

[notin]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

They had about 4-5 catchers, last year.

They used 4 catchers last year.  
 

Pedro Pages was the primary catcher

Yohel Pozo was the primary backup

Ivan Herrera did catch some, but was the primary DH

Jimmy Crooks also caught about 100 or so innings.

They had no reason to ever put Contreras back behind the plate.

 

I view any internet chatter about Contreras catching the same way I viewed talk of moving Pedroia to SS - if it was said, it was done so with an ulterior motive…

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

He's kinda set up here to do a 50/50 split at 2b with Romy if the Sox wiff on signing anyone. 

I see no chance of him playing over Hamilton.

[mvp 78]

54 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I mean, the Dodgers picked up guys we DFA'd back when we sucked. 

That situation is completely the same. It's not like bullpen arms aren't completely fungible and moved all the time. Were the Red Sox just like the '24 ChiSox? They were THAT bad? I'm sorry you had to go through that for 3 whole seasons! 

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Contreras really is the 4th C. He should only be emergency depth at best. 

I couldn't agree more.  He was barely a catcher when he was a catcher.  Outside of in-game injuries, there is no chance I'd want to risk losing him to an injury just so he could start a game here or there.

[Duran Is The Man]

12 hours ago, notin said:

Susac wasn’t waived.  He just wasn’t protected from being picked in the Rule 5 draft. 
 

Minnesota took him in the Rule 5 draft and traded him to San Fran in a similar transaction to the one in which the Sox acquired Ryan Watson…

sorry for the confusion...i meant the Rule 5 draft, not waivers. my brain sometimes....

[moonslav59]

58 minutes ago, notin said:

 

They had no reason to ever put Contreras back behind the plate.

 

That was my point. 

They don't have all those 4 anymore, not WC.

[moonslav59]

38 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I see no chance of him playing over Hamilton.

Not with Cora as manager, unless Brez trades DHam or keeps him at AAA.

[harmony]

Twin Daily blogger Nate Palmer proposes a catcher-for-catcher trade between the Twins and Red Sox:

https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/a-deal-with-boston-could-twins-ship-ryan-jeffers-out-in-a-catcher-for-catcher-swap-r19672/

 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, harmony said:

Twin Daily blogger Nate Palmer proposes a catcher-for-catcher trade between the Twins and Red Sox:

https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/a-deal-with-boston-could-twins-ship-ryan-jeffers-out-in-a-catcher-for-catcher-swap-r19672/

 

I have a couple suggested trades on BTV where Wong and Jeffries are included. Of course, I couldn't resist adding more players to both side.

I'd give Wong and Sandlin for Jeffries.

[Larry Cook]

49 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I have a couple suggested trades on BTV where Wong and Jeffries are included. Of course, I couldn't resist adding more players to both side.

I'd give Wong and Sandlin for Jeffries.

I would definitely say yes to that trade! 

[moonslav59]

Just now, Larry Cook said:

I would definitely say yes to that trade! 

MN should, too. Sub Mullins or a prospect 10-20ish., if they prefer.