Article: Bryce Harper Isn't the First Base Solution the Red Sox Need

[mvp 78]

Harper has an MVP in WSH and one in PHL. Time to get one in BOS! 

[notin]

Just now, Old Red said:

Do you think DD consults BTV? I don’t believe the Red Sox would have Any interest in Cast Man, and Harper has to much time left on his contract.

I doubt DD uses BTV specifically, but every team uses a similar program. 
 

That deal I said didn’t work for anyone including me.  But the other one with no Yoshida, no Castellanos, but did include Bohm?  I think DD goes for that.  No idea on Harper or Breslow…

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Harper has an MVP in WSH and one in PHL. Time to get one in BOS! 

Like I said, I’d take him over Bregman or Alonso…

[moonslav59]

24 minutes ago, notin said:

I think Philly taking on Yoshida to replace Schwarber nixes the deal.

If I was Henry, I’d rather pay Harper for 6 years than either Alonso or Bregman for five…

I'd agree on that. I wasn't aware of the $24M AAV on Harper. I thought it was closer to $30M.

I don't think JH likes 4-5 year deals and 6 is out of his realm of thought.

[notin]

22 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'd agree on that. I wasn't aware of the $24M AAV on Harper. I thought it was closer to $30M.

I don't think JH likes 4-5 year deals and 6 is out of his realm of thought.

Devers got 10.

Harper remains one of the most popular players in the game.  He still does commercials, which is unusual for MLB players, has tons of fan interactions, and still just flat out looks like he enjoys himself out there.  Not to mention, his path to Cooperstown is already complete.  His biggest downside is that he openly advocates drinking raw milk, which will probably be how he dies.  But that could easily be more than six years from now…

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Devers got 10…

Devers got 10, but how much arm twisting do you think it took to get JH to do it. As I’ve said many times Raffy was the last man standing after losing Mookie, and Bogey.

[notin]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Devers got 10, but how much arm twisting do you think it took to get JH to do it. As I’ve said many times Raffy was the last man standing after losing Mookie, and Bogey.

And with Devers gone, JH now has to go long and large on someone else as a public show of commitment.

As I’ve said a million time, free agency is all PR.  You can’t call Devers signing solely because he was ladt man standing and then try to refute that simple fact…

[moonslav59]

25 minutes ago, notin said:

Devers got 10.

Harper remains one of the most popular players in the game.  He still does commercials, which is unusual for MLB players, has tons of fan interactions, and still just flat out looks like he enjoys himself out there.  Not to mention, his path to Cooperstown is already complete.  His biggest downside is that he openly advocates drinking raw milk, which will probably be how he dies.  But that could easily be more than six years from now…

Devers got 10, but 4 were younger than Harper is now.

[moonslav59]

17 minutes ago, notin said:

And with Devers gone, JH now has to go long and large on someone else as a public show of commitment.

As I’ve said a million time, free agency is all PR.  You can’t call Devers signing solely because he was ladt man standing and then try to refute that simple fact…

JH did spend a lot with the Devers extension (largest and longest in team history by about 30%) and the Bregman signing (largest AAV in team history by more than 30%.) He also spent on Buehler, Chapman, Sandoval and a few other smaller deals, then extended Anthony and Campbell not long after the rafaela & Bello extensions. The Gio signing was the largest in a while in 2024.

This is irrefutable. However, we dumped Devers, Breggie & Gio bolted and Buehler's deal is gone.

In many ways, we are back at square one and wondering what JH will do next.

[notin]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Devers got 10, but 4 were younger than Harper is now.

So both signed through the same age.

 

I know it’s not going to happen, but I disagree with this article and very much think Harper is a viable solution at 1b…

[notin]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

JH did spend a lot with the Devers extension (largest and longest in team history by about 30%) and the Bregman signing (largest AAV in team history by more than 30%.) He also spent on Buehler, Chapman, Sandoval and a few other smaller deals, then extended Anthony and Campbell not long after the rafaela & Bello extensions. The Gio signing was the largest in a while in 2024.

This is irrefutable. However, we dumped Devers, Breggie & Gio bolted and Buehler's deal is gone.

In many ways, we are back at square one and wondering what JH will do next.

And even you have repeatedly said he never replaced Devers….

[mvp 78]

46 minutes ago, notin said:

Devers got 10.

Harper remains one of the most popular players in the game.  He still does commercials, which is unusual for MLB players, has tons of fan interactions, and still just flat out looks like he enjoys himself out there.  Not to mention, his path to Cooperstown is already complete.  His biggest downside is that he openly advocates drinking raw milk, which will probably be how he dies.  But that could easily be more than six years from now…

He missed time in ST due to food poisoning due to his clean eating. 

[mvp 78]

Harper would also sell a million jerseys at Fenway.

[moonslav59]

31 minutes ago, notin said:

So both signed through the same age.

I know it’s not going to happen, but I disagree with this article and very much think Harper is a viable solution at 1b…

I agree, as long as the return package is not too much.

He's probably less than Alonso and Schwarber on AAV and maybe more on years. That's not a JH thing.

[moonslav59]

32 minutes ago, notin said:

And even you have repeatedly said he never replaced Devers….

Every plan I suggest has us adding a big bat- mostly at 1B/DH- the slot vacated by Devers.

[notin]

25 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I agree, as long as the return package is not too much.

He's probably less than Alonso and Schwarber on AAV and maybe more on years. That's not a JH thing.

We really don’t know the years these two will settle on.  Schwarber only signed for 4 years last time, but he’s coming off a career year.  Alonso wants 7, but will most likely have to settle for less. Will anyone go six?

 

I think the big obstacles will be whether or not Harper is actually available and whether or not Harper wants to be traded…

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47 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He missed time in ST due to food poisoning due to his clean eating. 

Exactly.  He needs to let the dairy do its thing rather than going directly to the cow…

[moonslav59]

42 minutes ago, notin said:

We really don’t know the years these two will settle on.  Schwarber only signed for 4 years last time, but he’s coming off a career year.  Alonso wants 7, but will most likely have to settle for less. Will anyone go six?

I think the big obstacles will be whether or not Harper is actually available and whether or not Harper wants to be traded…

No, we don't know on any of this.

I'd guess Schwarber can get 4 years, but he may choose 3 at a higher AAV or 5 at a lower one. Alonso might get 4-5 years- maybe 6 with a lower AAV.

I don't think JH wants anything 4 or more, and even 3 has not been seen since Story's 6 year deal with opt out.

[drewski6]

4 hours ago, notin said:

And with Devers gone, JH now has to go long and large on someone else as a public show of commitment.

As I’ve said a million time, free agency is all PR.  You can’t call Devers signing solely because he was ladt man standing and then try to refute that simple fact…

Yes because if the red sox seek to turn nate lowe into harper, its def for headlines and ticket sales.

[drewski6]

Im interested in Harper, absolutely.  

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, notin said:

And with Devers gone, JH now has to go long and large on someone else as a public show of commitment.

As I’ve said a million time, free agency is all PR.  You can’t call Devers signing solely because he was ladt man standing and then try to refute that simple fact…

Did you mean Bregman as the "last guy standing?"

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3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Did you mean Bregman as the "last guy standing?"

Devers, who was last out of Betts, Bogaerts and Devers*
 

 

 

*Not a law firm..

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Devers, who was last out of Betts, Bogaerts and Devers*
 

 

 

*Not a law firm..

Okay. I thought you might have meant it that way, but it was right after talking about FA signings.

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3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Harper would also sell a million jerseys at Fenway.

With the money he’s making, he won’t need to work a side hustle in the souvenir shops.  But I do agree he’d be good at it…

[moonslav59]

It's hard to know what PHI would want for Harper. 

How about Duran and Hicks for Harper and Painter, then flip Painter, Garcia and Sandlin for Joe Ryan.

Would BTV approve?

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17 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

It's hard to know what PHI would want for Harper. 

How about Duran and Hicks for Harper and Painter, then flip Painter, Garcia and Sandlin for Joe Ryan.

Would BTV approve?

DD has repeatedly said Painter is not available.   As he normally has no issues making prospects available, I’m taking him seriously on Painter…

[Hugh2]

23 hours ago, notin said:

Devers got 10.

Harper remains one of the most popular players in the game.  He still does commercials, which is unusual for MLB players, has tons of fan interactions, and still just flat out looks like he enjoys himself out there.  Not to mention, his path to Cooperstown is already complete.  His biggest downside is that he openly advocates drinking raw milk, which will probably be how he dies.  But that could easily be more than six years from now…

Devers was 26 at the time, Harper is 33

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1 minute ago, Hugh2 said:

Devers was 26 at the time, Harper is 33

Harper is a future Hall of Famer who has shown a willingness to change positions.  Can you substitute his name with Devers and still have a true sentence?  Can you do it with either half?

[Hugh2]

18 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

It's hard to know what PHI would want for Harper. 

How about Duran and Hicks for Harper and Painter, then flip Painter, Garcia and Sandlin for Joe Ryan.

Would BTV approve?

BTV accepts that first trade, but it’s an overpay, I doubt the Phillies take less value to get rid of Harper, and a top prospect and sell it to their fan base. 
BTV rates the trade a fair one if we throw in Dobbins or Early 

[Hugh2]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

Harper is a future Hall of Famer who has shown a willingness to change positions.  Can you substitute his name with Devers and still have a true sentence?  Can you do it with either half?

Some should pay for a future hall of famer because of what he did and not what he will do? Harper is heading into his age 33 season, and while he still might be a valuable player, why are we confident that a guy who hasn’t exactly been a shinning example of health in his career is going to play at an MVP level?

He was 28 when he last won an MVP, he’s likely never that good again. 
 

even if he is, the risk of paying a guy between the ages of 33-39 is different that 26-35….hence…my point