Article: Hunter Greene, Rumored Red Sox Trade Target, Will Cost an Arm, A Leg, and More

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Alonso wants 7 years, but the list of 31yo first basemen to get 7 year deals is pretty small.

1.

End of list.

Freddie Freeman did get a 6 year deal at age 32, which is the closest precedent, but Freeman is a future HOF whereas Alonso is not.  Given that Alonso struggled to get an acceptable deal last off-season at 1 year younger, I have my doubts about anyone giving him 7 years this year at one year older, and I don’t think the lack of a QO this year (he’s ineligible) is going to make up the difference.  
 

Five years? Maybe.  If it comes down to 34yo Suárez at  2yrs $40mill or Alonso at 5yrs $125mill, I take Alonso.  The problem with the longer deals is usually the last year or two of decline.  I think it makes more sense to pay Alonso for ages 31 through 35 than pay Suarez for ages 34 and 35 alone.   You save money with Suarez, but only by not getting the younger and presumably more productive years…

My thinking is that Alonso has no shot at 7.  I think teams will max out at 5, if that.  I just don't see a lot of competition.

NYMs first and foremost, but they have alternatives.  No interest in competing against them.

The other 28 teams look like they have money, but no need.  Or a need, but not enough money.  Or a need + money, but with competing interests.  I think we get him for four years, and maybe in the range of $100M/4.  If Casas can get us an appropriate return, I'd make the move. 

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

Well the first 10 pounds are easier to lose than the next 10 pounds if you catch my drift.

He had nowhere to go but up from a k/w perspective so of course it went up. Doesnt mean the trend will continue.

You would never ever ever get Greene for him straight up, thats silly to even suggest turning that down.

I get what you're saying, but imho, he's already lost the important ten pounds.  If he can continue to lose 1-2 pounds a year, that works for me.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

My thinking is that Alonso has no shot at 7.  I think teams will max out at 5, if that.  I just don't see a lot of competition.

NYMs first and foremost, but they have alternatives.  No interest in competing against them.

The other 28 teams look like they have money, but no need.  Or a need, but not enough money.  Or a need + money, but with competing interests.  I think we get him for four years, and maybe in the range of $100M/4.  If Casas can get us an appropriate return, I'd make the move. 

NYM may just go internal with Vientos and Baty, but load up on pitching. That's how the Dodgers have been successful. 

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Why trade Casas now? He's injured and has no value. His contract is peanuts. Just stash him in AAA until he looks healthy enough to build value again. 

He has value.  Teams that need a 1B with a small budget will consider that he's injured, but also consider that he had a career OPS+ of 126 before last year and three years left.  In many ways, it is identical to Greene.  He only had 19 GS last year.  You're not going to ignore the injury factor and you're not going ignore the talent.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, JoeBrady said:

My thinking is that Alonso has no shot at 7.  I think teams will max out at 5, if that.  I just don't see a lot of competition.

NYMs first and foremost, but they have alternatives.  No interest in competing against them.

The other 28 teams look like they have money, but no need.  Or a need, but not enough money.  Or a need + money, but with competing interests.  I think we get him for four years, and maybe in the range of $100M/4.  If Casas can get us an appropriate return, I'd make the move. 

I don't think anyone gives us real return value for Casas. We'd be selling low on someone with very high potential, but also a very low floor and a DH only profile, when you look at just how awful his 1B defense is.

I think we should add a 1Bman and keep Casas as DH competition/back up 1Bman. Just dont count on him as a FT'er.

I know, just how many of those sorts of players can you have on the 40?

We already have...

Yoshida- who we should try to dump.

Campbell- the man without a position (another DH?)

Mayer- the man who cannot stay off the IL.

Hicks- the man that would have been cut if not for his $12M x 2 still owed.

Others like DHam or Grissom, Kelly or Guerrero, Wink or Criswell can easily be traded or even DFA'd with not tears shed, but we need to switch from quantity to quality mode, this winter.

 

[Krusty]

Hunter Greene for Jarren Duran and Payton Tolle.  Who says no?

[mvp 78]

20 minutes ago, Krusty said:

Hunter Greene for Jarren Duran and Payton Tolle.  Who says no?

Swap out Tolle for a different pitcher. 

[notin]

1 hour ago, Krusty said:

Hunter Greene for Jarren Duran and Payton Tolle.  Who says no?

Me.

Hunter Greene for Jarren Duran and Brandon Clarke?  I’m in.

Clarke is a BA Top 100 prospect with the added bonus for Cincy of not requiring a 40 man roster spot…

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Swap out Tolle for a different pitcher. 

I don't do Duran and Early, either. (I'd give any 2 others not named Crochet, Bello, Tolle and early. instead.)

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, Krusty said:

Hunter Greene for Jarren Duran and Payton Tolle.  Who says no?

It should be no one, but I think Cincy would be the team to bail.  Weaker GMs I think want sure wins so as not to look foolish.

[notin]

3 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I don't think anyone gives us real return value for Casas. We'd be selling low on someone with very high potential, but also a very low floor and a DH only profile, when you look at just how awful his 1B defense is.

I think we should add a 1Bman and keep Casas as DH competition/back up 1Bman. Just dont count on him as a FT'er.

I know, just how many of those sorts of players can you have on the 40?

We already have...

Yoshida- who we should try to dump.

Campbell- the man without a position (another DH?)

Mayer- the man who cannot stay off the IL.

Hicks- the man that would have been cut if not for his $12M x 2 still owed.

Others like DHam or Grissom, Kelly or Guerrero, Wink or Criswell can easily be traded or even DFA'd with not tears shed, but we need to switch from quantity to quality mode, this winter.

 

The Clickbait Press is suggesting Casas (plus?) for Sandy Alcantara.

 

[moonslav59]

24 minutes ago, notin said:

The Clickbait Press is suggesting Casas (plus?) for Sandy Alcantara.

Funny one.

[Larry Cook]

On 10/22/2025 at 7:19 AM, moonslav59 said:

We could also trade Rafaela, Campbell and maybe upgrade on Perales or add Clarke/Valera/Fajardo or Sandlin. I'm not sure CIN agrees. They'd want Tolle or Early id no Abreu or Duran.

Rafaela, Duran & Perales would do it.

Our OF would be...

LF: Anthony/Campbell

CF: Jh Garcia (Anthony)

RF: Abreu/Garcia

Rafeala and perales and Sandlin for Greene! 
Casas, cutter and Mullins to Miami for alcanterra 

Duran, Hamilton, Clarke and dobbins to Washington for McKenzie gore! 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

6 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

Rafeala and perales and Sandlin for Greene! 
Casas, cutter and Mullins to Miami for alcanterra 

Duran, Hamilton, Clarke and dobbins to Washington for McKenzie gore! 

Appreciate the concepts, but don't think Breslow, building around pitching, would trade six arms with upside in one winter -- even for those three.

The one deal that makes sense for Boston is the Alcantara swap, but would Miami go for two guys who haven't made comebacks yet? We do know previous Marlin regimes were interested in Casas...

[notin]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Appreciate the concepts, but don't think Breslow, building around pitching, would trade six arms with upside in one winter -- even for those three.

The one deal that makes sense for Boston is the Alcantara swap, but would Miami go for two guys who haven't made comebacks yet? We do know previous Marlin regimes were interested in Casas...

The Washington deal makes very little sense.  Trading for Duran is a “NOW” move.  But dealing Gore is a building for the future strategy…

[Dirtywater433]

22 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

NYM may just go internal with Vientos and Baty, but load up on pitching. That's how the Dodgers have been successful. 

That's what I see the Mets doing too. There's a reason why their new GM went only one year with him. I see the Orioles being in on Pete Alonso if they want to spend money. They need a right handed power bat bad and need a upgrade on first base.

[Dirtywater433]

Well I'd give up Bello, but I'm out on Tolle and Early too. Bello is a number 4 starter on a good contract. The way he bombed in the playoffs was a definite letdown. Sure one start, but he couldn't make it past the second inning. Gives me no hope that he's nothing more than a guy who just eats innings who can have a great ERA if your infield defense is superb. If not he bombs, because he can't strike people out anymore and walks as many guys as he strikes out (in the second half of the season).

[Dirtywater433]

On 10/24/2025 at 11:10 AM, notin said:

Trade Casas for what?

His stock is so low it could limbo under a rug!

I guess the Sox can keep him for depth, but it's not crazy to think that Houck and Casas being non tendered this off-season.

[notin]

14 minutes ago, Dirtywater433 said:

I guess the Sox can keep him for depth, but it's not crazy to think that Houck and Casas being non tendered this off-season.

Both could be.  Neither should be.

Non-tender candidates that should worry include Lowe, Wong and Winckowski…

[notin]

21 minutes ago, Dirtywater433 said:

Well I'd give up Bello, but I'm out on Tolle and Early too. Bello is a number 4 starter on a good contract. The way he bombed in the playoffs was a definite letdown. Sure one start, but he couldn't make it past the second inning. Gives me no hope that he's nothing more than a guy who just eats innings who can have a great ERA if your infield defense is superb. If not he bombs, because he can't strike people out anymore and walks as many guys as he strikes out (in the second half of the season).

It was the postseason, so Cora was obviously quicker with the hook.  But on its own, Bello’s start was not some sort of horror show.  4 hits and a walk is 2.1 IP isnt good but if that’s the BAD outing I keep hearing about, why is no one mentioning the 1.2 IP 3H 2BB bomb from Garrett Whitlock later that night?

[notin]

34 minutes ago, Dirtywater433 said:

That's what I see the Mets doing too. There's a reason why their new GM went only one year with him. I see the Orioles being in on Pete Alonso if they want to spend money. They need a right handed power bat bad and need an upgrade on first base.

Of the typical big spenders, Alonso makes sense for the Red Sox, Mets, Giants, Phillies, and Angels.  
 

 

[notin]

23 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

NYM may just go internal with Vientos and Baty, but load up on pitching. That's how the Dodgers have been successful. 

Maybe but there is a greater than zero chance they think Vientos sucks, or at least is an inadequate replacement for Alonso…

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, notin said:

Maybe but there is a greater than zero chance they think Vientos sucks, or at least is an inadequate replacement for Alonso…

He's a big downtick from Alonso, but he did better than the whole Sox team at 1B in 2025 and 2024:

2024:

.266  27  71 Vientos (413 PAs)

.238 20 75 Boston (640)

2025:

.233  17  61 Vientos (463 PAs)

.244 16 76 Boston (662)

[Larry Cook]

4 hours ago, notin said:

Both could be.  Neither should be.

Non-tender candidates that should worry include Lowe, Wong and Winckowski…

I think Criswell, Grissom and 2 others are out of minor league options 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Larry Cook said:

I think Criswell, Grissom and 2 others are out of minor league options 

soxprospects.com has these guys out of options:

Winckowski

Criswell

Grissom

Lowe

Moran

I doubt we wait until ST'ing to see if Grissom can make the 26. He'll be traded or DFA'd, unless we trade DHam, instead. (Even then, maybe...)

Lowe will be non tendered, IMO, but we may sign him back, if we pass on all the others.

I'd keep Moran around, but no biggie, if we trade him. Same with Wink.

I'd keep Criswell around, but the problem is that he kinda sucks out of the pen, and we have 10 SP'ers ahead of him. I think he's good enough to be traded not DFA'd. Just hope he doesn't pull a Priester.

 

[Behindenemylines]

On 10/24/2025 at 1:30 PM, moonslav59 said:

I don't think anyone gives us real return value for Casas. We'd be selling low on someone with very high potential, but also a very low floor and a DH only profile, when you look at just how awful his 1B defense is.

I think we should add a 1Bman and keep Casas as DH competition/back up 1Bman. Just dont count on him as a FT'er.

I know, just how many of those sorts of players can you have on the 40?

We already have...

Yoshida- who we should try to dump.

Campbell- the man without a position (another DH?)

Mayer- the man who cannot stay off the IL.

Hicks- the man that would have been cut if not for his $12M x 2 still owed.

Others like DHam or Grissom, Kelly or Guerrero, Wink or Criswell can easily be traded or even DFA'd with not tears shed, but we need to switch from quantity to quality mode, this winter.

 

Everyone writes Campbell of defensively,  but he young and athletic. Make a decision where to play him and give him reps. We have seen players improve defensively. I think he is one of those players who has been stunted defensively trying to make him so versatile defensively. There are needs at first and second, but settle on one position.

[moonslav59]

42 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

Everyone writes Campbell of defensively,  but he young and athletic. Make a decision where to play him and give him reps. We have seen players improve defensively. I think he is one of those players who has been stunted defensively trying to make him so versatile defensively. There are needs at first and second, but settle on one position.

The thing is, we can't afford to let him learn at the MLB level, at least at 2B. We can maybe hide him at 1B or LF, but even then, I'd like to see him play a few weeks/months at AAA first.

His best spot might be LF, but we have about 6 of those, not counting Masa.

He also needs to earn his way back at the plate, but I feel less insecaure about that aspect of his game.

I would not feel comfortable telling him, "You are our starting ____, so work hard over the winter and be ready for ST'ing. The job is yours to keep or lose."

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

49 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I would not feel comfortable telling him, "You are our starting ____, so work hard over the winter and be ready for ST'ing. The job is yours to keep or lose."

Yet somebody from the org apparently told Kristian Campbell that a year ago -- or at least the last line in Florida. 

And somehow it doesn't make sense that voice was from Alex Cora, a legitimately good major league infielder for 14 seasons of positive dWAR, who watched every prospect throughout Spring Training -- when it was obvious Marcelo Mayer outplayed KC on D.

[moonslav59]

28 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Yet somebody from the org apparently told Kristian Campbell that a year ago -- or at least the last line in Florida. 

And somehow it doesn't make sense that voice was from Alex Cora, a legitimately good major league infielder for 14 seasons of positive dWAR, who watched every prospect throughout Spring Training -- when it was obvious Marcelo Mayer outplayed KC on D.

They stuck with KC a very long time, too, but then again they stuck with Toro for a very long time, too, so I'm not sure we can read too much into length of leashes.

Campbell had been ripping up pitchers upon every promotion, then started out very well in early April. I doubt they cut him as much slack, next spring, but who knows.

I do think they may hand Mayer the 2B or 3B job. I'm not sure how long his leash will be, but at least he's okay on D. That makes it easier to lengthen the leash.

We also have Jh Garcia looking ready for a legit shot at some serious MLB playing time, but with a team looking to get to the next level, I'm not sure how many slots we open up for unproven youngsters beyond Mayer & Anthony.

[mvp 78]

15 hours ago, Behindenemylines said:

Everyone writes Campbell of defensively,  but he young and athletic. Make a decision where to play him and give him reps. We have seen players improve defensively. I think he is one of those players who has been stunted defensively trying to make him so versatile defensively. There are needs at first and second, but settle on one position.

The biggest problem with Sox development is the versatility nonsense they have focused on. Campbell should have just been left at 2b or sent to the OF. Develop him based on where he will succeed, not based on where the Sox need him.