Red Sox 2025 Trade Deadline Thread

[FredLynn]

Now watch: May will turn it around and give the team several good quality starts and surprise everyone. Baseball is a funny game. Expect the unexpected.

[moonslav59]

5 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

This deadline was pretty unusual, with so many teams making a flurry of moves at the end.

There have been many deadlines that the Sox did even less than getting a May and a Matz.

May's numbers are not enthralling, but I like to think that Breslow and Bailey see something they can work with.

I think Jansen, Sims, Garcia & Paxton looked better on paper, on deadline day 2024, than M & M do, now.

The 2023 deadline should have been sell, sell, sell. We "sold" Kike and added Urias. Totally lame and worse than 2025, for sure.

2022 was buy & Sell, and we got Abreu.

2021 was better w Schwarber, Robles & Austin and later on, Iggy & T Shaw.

2020 was sell: got Pivetta

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I think Jansen, Sims, Garcia & Paxton looked better on paper, on deadline day 2024, than M & M do, now.

Unfortunately Paxton was pretty much made of paper.  It took a lot of optimism to like that addition last year...and nobody was surprised he only lasted 11 innings.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

46 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I think Breslow scraped the bottom of the barrel to get the M&M twins because had he not done that he would have been accused of doing absolutely NOTHING-which is pretty much what he did anyway. The announcers last night stated, like most Sox fans, that they were "disappointed" by the TD results. Wonder if they will still be announcing.......or if Henry will fire them.

Matz has already made 2 scoreless appearances and this clown is calling him 'bottom of the barrel.' And May has yet to pitch for the Sox yet .

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Matz has already made 2 scoreless appearances and this clown is calling him 'bottom of the barrel.' And May has yet to pitch for the Sox yet .

Matz has a 3.32 ERA in 57 IP this year.  

[drewski6]

12 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Unfortunately Paxton was pretty much made of paper.  It took a lot of optimism to like that addition last year...and nobody was surprised he only lasted 11 innings.

my personal friends were over the moon.

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Matz has a 3.32 ERA in 57 IP this year.  

Would have rather two Steven Matz types than Matz and May. 

[FredLynn]

59 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Matz has already made 2 scoreless appearances and this clown is calling him 'bottom of the barrel.' And May has yet to pitch for the Sox yet .

Yup. Matz has looked good so far-in all of two innings. But a RP wasn’t high on our needs list was it. We already had the best bullpen in the league. A #2 SP, a RHH 1B, and a backup catcher were higher priorities. Breslow just picked the low hanging fruit. I think all REAL Flops fans were disappointed.

[mvp 78]

17 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Yup. Matz has looked good so far-in all of two innings. But a RP wasn’t high on our needs list was it. We already had the best bullpen in the league. A #2 SP, a RHH 1B, and a backup catcher were higher priorities. Breslow just picked the low hanging fruit. I think all REAL Flops fans were disappointed.

Relief help is always high on the list of needs. 

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Relief help is always high on the list of needs. 

It is. But the priorities I listed were higher in view of the fact that the best pen in the AL is in Boston.

[sk7326]

30 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

It is. But the priorities I listed were higher in view of the fact that the best pen in the AL is in Boston.

It is - but you also can't just assume that is going to hold.  I'd have loved for them to land the plane on Joe Ryan, but Dustin May is certainly talented enough to pay off.  

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, sk7326 said:

It is - but you also can't just assume that is going to hold.  I'd have loved for them to land the plane on Joe Ryan, but Dustin May is certainly talented enough to pay off.  

He could, but I certainly wouldn’t count on it based on his year to date performance. And while you can always improve areas of strength (like our bullpen) the most impactful way to improve the team is to address the weaknesses. That wasn’t done.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Let's be real here. Would anyone here have traded Anthony and Tolle for Ryan, because that's who I believe the F'ing Twins wanted for Ryan ?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Just now, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Let's be real here. Would anyone here have traded Anthony and Tolle for Ryan, because that's who I believe the F'ing Twins wanted for Ryan ?

Btw, none of the other contending teams picked up a #2 starter.

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

It is. But the priorities I listed were higher in view of the fact that the best pen in the AL is in Boston.

If true, this may say more about the opponents pen than our own (lol)

[sk7326]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

He could, but I certainly wouldn’t count on it based on his year to date performance. And while you can always improve areas of strength (like our bullpen) the most impactful way to improve the team is to address the weaknesses. That wasn’t done.

I wanted a move.  Personally, I thought something like a Duran for Kris Bubic made sense for everybody ... Duran for Dylan Cease would have been selling low (and clearly the Padres have bigger game in mind)

But all things considered, getting another good bullpen arm, and at least a starter with some real upside.  Most of the other starters at that level were going to be indistinguishable from the various Hunter Dobbins/Richard Fitts sorts of clones.  

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

He could, but I certainly wouldn’t count on it based on his year to date performance. And while you can always improve areas of strength (like our bullpen) the most impactful way to improve the team is to address the weaknesses. That wasn’t done.

Sure, and like someone else said, people think this hot streak is going to make us forget about a boring deadline.  But like someone else said (MVP?) : it could ultimately make us regret it more.

Hope that doesnt happen.

[drewski6]

Just now, sk7326 said:

I wanted a move.  Personally, I thought something like a Duran for Kris Bubic made sense for everybody ... Duran for Dylan Cease would have been selling low (and clearly the Padres have bigger game in mind)

But all things considered, getting another good bullpen arm, and at least a starter with some real upside.  Most of the other starters at that level were going to be indistinguishable from the various Hunter Dobbins/Richard Fitts sorts of clones.  

Ill take Duran

[drewski6]

If we had traded Duran, I dont care if it was for Skenes, this team would have raced to the gutter.  He is our emotional leader.  You dont trade that, no conditions.  The reason we are hot, hot, hot some say is that everyone is so glad he didnt get moved it was like the best more we could have made (holding him)"

Not my words, but Im not arguing with it

The problem is that to get Joe Ryan or someone awesome, we would have had to part with Duran or Cedanne, that much is becoming clear.  The problem is they didnt pivot to someone less expensive like Merrill Kelly or Mitch Keller, two guys I often confuse for each other.  But neither would have been as expensive as Ryan and Ill take Duran and Keller over Ryan all day.

[drewski6]

They spent all day trying to get Ryan, and had to pivot to May as time was running out.  Here is where we messed up  (and we did): too laser focused on very hard to obtain player(s), bad clock management.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Just now, drewski6 said:

They spent all day trying to get Ryan, and had to pivot to May as time was running out.  Here is where we messed up  (and we did): too laser focused on very hard to obtain player(s), bad clock management.

True. Obsession rarely ends well.

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Unfortunately Paxton was pretty much made of paper.  It took a lot of optimism to like that addition last year...and nobody was surprised he only lasted 11 innings.

True, but the other three looked better than M &M.

[Bellhorn04]

6 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

They spent all day trying to get Ryan, and had to pivot to May as time was running out.  Here is where we messed up  (and we did): too laser focused on very hard to obtain player(s), bad clock management.

I think it was Kelly they really wanted.  The offer they made for Ryan was reportedly not even close.  The Twins did insist on Duran or Abreu I believe. 

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Unfortunately Paxton was pretty much made of paper.  It took a lot of optimism to like that addition last year...and nobody was surprised he only lasted 11 innings.

Jansen was a significant addition, at the time.

OPS Against

Luis Garcia .626 at time on '24 trade (Matz .669)

Lucas Sims .741 at time of '24 trade (May .760)

Paxton had a 4.43 ERA and a .739 OPSA, when we got him in 2024 (Both better than May's numbers in '25.)

[Bellhorn04]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

True, but the other three looked better than M &M.

Matz compares pretty well to Garcia and Sims.

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I think it was Kelly they really wanted.  The offer they made for Ryan was reportedly not even close.  The Twins did insist on Duran or Abreu I believe. 

Should have gotten Kelly

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I think it was Kelly they really wanted.  The offer they made for Ryan was reportedly not even close.  The Twins did insist on Duran or Abreu I believe. 

Some think Abreu or Duran PLUS Tolle.

[moonslav59]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

Matz compares pretty well to Garcia and Sims.

As a combined deadline outlook, 2024 was better.

[Maxbialystock]

2 hours ago, FredLynn said:

Yup. Matz has looked good so far-in all of two innings. But a RP wasn’t high on our needs list was it. We already had the best bullpen in the league. A #2 SP, a RHH 1B, and a backup catcher were higher priorities. Breslow just picked the low hanging fruit. I think all REAL Flops fans were disappointed.

#2 starter hard to get.  Righty 1b not needed, ditto backup catcher.  Relievers can always help if they're any good.  You're the only Flops Fan on talksox.  You're actually in the unenviable position of needing the Sox to fail so you can be right.  

[mvp 78]

46 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Let's be real here. Would anyone here have traded Anthony and Tolle for Ryan, because that's who I believe the F'ing Twins wanted for Ryan ?

Nope