If the Twins trade Joe Ryan, the Red Sox should get involved

[Brock Beauchamp]

No one really knows what the Twins are going to do, probably especially the Twins. They're a middling contender, just far enough out of the WC race to consider selling, but close enough to still be in it. They're a pretty good team when things are clicking. But they're also on the verge of being sold - maybe...? - and no one knows what they're thinking.

Ryan has quietly become one of the best pitchers in baseball and still has 2.5 years of control. He hasn't really been a workhorse but none of his injuries have been concerning, either. He had a weird shoulder/back thing last year that knocked him out, but had no lingering effects and did not involve his elbow or the important part of the shoulder. The year before, the injury was a hamstring, or groin, or something else equally benign.

Could the Twins Trade Joe Ryan? 6 Suitors to Watch if Minnesota Sells High on Their Ace - Twins - Twins Daily

TWINSDAILY.COM

---

He’s been the team’s best pitcher and one of the most reliable arms in the AL. But with contenders circling, could Joe Ryan net the Twins a franchise-altering return?

 

[Duran Is The Man]

an injury-riddled pitcher. that's exactly what the Sox FO loves.

[Larry Cook]

Go get him bres-slow!!!! 
after you secure painter from the Phillies!!!

 

[dgalehouse]

July 25: Red Sox trade Jarren Duran to the Twins for Joe Ryan.   July 28: Joe Ryan exits his Red Sox debut in the fifth inning with what is being called " forearm tightness ".  

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Duran Is The Man said:

an injury-riddled pitcher. that's exactly what the Sox FO loves.

He's 27th in IP since 2022 and has never started less than 23 games in the last 4 seasons (assuming he gets over 23, this year.) He's 28th in GS'd, too.

No current of past Sox pitcher is above him on GS'd and only Pivetta has slightly more IP, but some were in relief.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Larry Cook said:

Go get him bres-slow!!!! 
after you secure painter from the Phillies!!!

I'm thinking the best trade might be Abreu & Buehler (+$) to PHI. 

Abel and some Sox prospects (like Romero, Sandlin & Early) to MIN

Joe Ryan to BOS

If we swap Abel for Painter, we'd need to give prospects to PHI but less to MIN.

[mvp 78]

14 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

He's 27th in IP since 2022 and has never started less than 23 games in the last 4 seasons (assuming he gets over 23, this year.) He's 28th in GS'd, too.

No current of past Sox pitcher is above him on GS'd and only Pivetta has slightly more IP, but some were in relief.

Only pitched over 150 IP once in his career. 🤨

[Duran Is The Man]

14 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm thinking the best trade might be Abreu & Buehler (+$) to PHI. 

Abel and some Sox prospects (like Romero, Sandlin & Early) to MIN

Joe Ryan to BOS

If we swap Abel for Painter, we'd need to give prospects to PHI but less to MIN.

and you guys gave DD hell for "emptying the farm". 

[Soxlover]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Only pitched over 150 IP once in his career. 🤨

Heard worse about Crochet

[Soxlover]

1 hour ago, Duran Is The Man said:

and you guys gave DD hell for "emptying the farm". 

Romero, Sandlin and Early are not too prospects

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Soxlover said:

Heard worse about Crochet

Crochet still hasn't pitched 150 innings. 🙃

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Duran Is The Man said:

and you guys gave DD hell for "emptying the farm". 

The problem with DD is that he traded a lot of guys and really wasn't able to add as much back on a year to year basis. For example, the Sox system was ranked bottom 5 in almost every publication in 2020 AFTER the Mookie trade when they added Wong and Downs (ranked top 50). 

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

The problem with DD is that he traded a lot of guys and really wasn't able to add as much back on a year to year basis. For example, the Sox system was ranked bottom 5 in almost every publication in 2020 AFTER the Mookie trade when they added Wong and Downs (ranked top 50). 

DD did draft Duran, Houck. Casas and Crawford.  But I believe they remain the only Major Leaguers he drafted with Boston.  Unless you want to count Dalbec.

At this point in time, that seems low.  But it might be fairly normal or even a good amount.  I am NOT researching into that.  Moon?

[notin]

15 minutes ago, Soxlover said:

Romero, Sandlin and Early are not too prospects

Probably also not enough to get Joe Ryan…

[Duran Is The Man]

21 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The problem with DD is that he traded a lot of guys and really wasn't able to add as much back on a year to year basis. For example, the Sox system was ranked bottom 5 in almost every publication in 2020 AFTER the Mookie trade when they added Wong and Downs (ranked top 50). 

i get it, but DD never really traded anyone that amounted to anything. and fans still give him a hard time about "decimating the farm", when in reality, he should have been slammed for not "building the farm". 

[mvp 78]

24 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i get it, but DD never really traded anyone that amounted to anything. and fans still give him a hard time about "decimating the farm", when in reality, he should have been slammed for not "building the farm". 

That's just semantics IMO. You use prospects to supplement the MLB roster or acquire MLB talent. He just let the well run dry for one great run. By not maintaining the farm with new additions, he decimated the farm. He traded, but never reloaded. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

20 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

That's just semantics IMO. You use prospects to supplement the MLB roster or acquire MLB talent. He just let the well run dry for one great run. By not maintaining the farm with new additions, he decimated the farm. He traded, but never reloaded. 

It's not as easy for teams that come in first place or make the postseason a lot. They don't get the high draft picks like doormats or indoor/outdoor carpets in basements. Or treads on tanks -- the preferred transportation for many small market clubs.

[mvp 78]

18 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

It's not as easy for teams that come in first place or make the postseason a lot. They don't get the high draft picks like doormats or indoor/outdoor carpets in basements. Or treads on tanks -- the preferred transportation for many small market clubs.

It's not the NFL. You can draft well after winning the WS. Just ask the Dodgers. They win a lot and always have a very good farm system.

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

It's not the NFL. You can draft well after winning the WS. Just ask the Dodgers. They win a lot and always have a very good farm system.

It’s that So Cal lifestyle where they feed those prospects a steady diet of enriched tofu, beet juice, and Stanislozol…

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

It’s that So Cal lifestyle where they feed those prospects a steady diet of enriched tofu, beet juice, and Stanislozol…

You forgot the fish tacos and animal style fries. 

[Soxlover]

5 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Crochet still hasn't pitched 150 innings. 🙃

Musta been a bad trade then 🤣

[Soxlover]

5 hours ago, notin said:

Probably also not enough to get Joe Ryan…

Probably need to include Clarke or Valera.

[moonslav59]

14 hours ago, notin said:

DD did draft Duran, Houck. Casas and Crawford.  But I believe they remain the only Major Leaguers he drafted with Boston.  Unless you want to count Dalbec.

At this point in time, that seems low.  But it might be fairly normal or even a good amount.  I am NOT researching into that.  Moon?

He also signed IFAs Rafaela & Bello.

Many of these draftees and IFA guys look better than the bigger named players he traded away.

[harmony]

The Minnesota Twins reportedly are not discussing Joe Ryan in trade talks:

https://fansided.com/mlb/mlb-all-star-weekend-rumors-joe-ryan-trade-misiorowski-extension-braves-latest

[moonslav59]

24 minutes ago, harmony said:

The Minnesota Twins reportedly are not discussing Joe Ryan in trade talks:

https://fansided.com/mlb/mlb-all-star-weekend-rumors-joe-ryan-trade-misiorowski-extension-braves-latest

Famous last words.