Article: Who’s the Red Sox Third Baseman? It's Messy

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, notin said:

He will.

I didn’t renew my contract for him on my fantasy team.  I expect him to EXPLODE now…

In 2024, he was on his way to easily top his career high OPS, before the shoulder issue kicked into high gear.

His rbi's were down, but what the hey.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Woah there.

You know I've always been on their side, because of the hypocrisy of the MLB rules vs. the very concept of the sport.

It's just like when museums tell art thieves, "You're allowed to steal, but you can't use night-vision goggles to detect lasers that can set off alarms."

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

17 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Woah there.

double trouble

 

[mvp 78]

16 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I see what you did there lol however I have heard that there are people who see LF in Campbells future. 

Is he doing any OF work this Spring? I've only heard about IF so far. He has a much longer history in the IF, so it may be a better fit as he's adjusting to MLB. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

The problem was that people were saying "well I don't think it will be an issue" and some posters were all over them saying "where are your sources on that?" or whatever. We all have our own opinions on this stuff. None of us know for sure. Even relying on sports radio guys for the "inside baseball" stuff will lead you astray most of the time. Until Devers actually flipped out more than just saying "I want to play 3b," there was little reason to turn the molehill into a mountain and rundown other posters for not being concerned about it. 

It's ok to have differing opinions. I think we all just need to remember to not be jagoffs about it towards each other. 

Well, I do agree to a certain point. He didn't simply say "I want to play 3B". He stated "I am the 3B". That's why people presumed it may be a problem. But I do agree that nobody truly knows yet and it is all our own opinions.

I certainly did not try to be a jagoff to anyone. Sorry if it was interpreted that way.

[moonslav59]

24 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Well, I do agree to a certain point. He didn't simply say "I want to play 3B". He stated "I am the 3B". That's why people presumed it may be a problem. But I do agree that nobody truly knows yet and it is all our own opinions.

I certainly did not try to be a jagoff to anyone. Sorry if it was interpreted that way.

There is also a possibility of translation issues and expressions used in other languages that are not easily translated -sometimes giving off an unintended vibe.

If you look at his first statements, he did say enar the end a conciliatory statement, 'I’m open to listening. I’m not close to those conversations.”

[Hugh2]

25 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Well, I do agree to a certain point. He didn't simply say "I want to play 3B". He stated "I am the 3B". That's why people presumed it may be a problem. But I do agree that nobody truly knows yet and it is all our own opinions.

I certainly did not try to be a jagoff to anyone. Sorry if it was interpreted that way.

That came out of his mouth? or the translators mouth? you know translations aren't always perfect, and tone among other things get lost in translation as well.  

He might of been referring to me as being a Jagoffasaurus, 

But back to your point where "he" stated "I am the 3B' I go back to my point.  If no one has told him he's not the 3B anymore then he is the 3B.  He's truthfully answering the question in his head. 

[Hugh2]

 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

11 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

That came out of his mouth? or the translators mouth? you know translations aren't always perfect, and tone among other things get lost in translation as well.  

He might of been referring to me as being a Jagoffasaurus, 

But back to your point where "he" stated "I am the 3B' I go back to my point.  If no one has told him he's not the 3B anymore then he is the 3B.  He's truthfully answering the question in his head. 

Whatever, dude, it's what he said. You can claim the translator doesn't know Spanish all you want if it makes you feel better.

[Hugh2]

3 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Whatever, dude, it's what he said. You can claim the translator doesn't know Spanish all you want if it makes you feel better.

Didn't you ever play telephone as a kid?

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

 

The full tweet was interesting to read last week. Devers relies on a translator in formal interview settings to help him, but I think it just made it more confusing this time. His English is supposed to be pretty good and I think that if he was going one on one with someone, they would have figured out the conversation a little better. However, I don't think baseball writers have any other agenda but find something exciting to write about and there isn't much to write about right now. It was an easy story for them to glom onto and then some of them pooh pooh the next day. 

[notin]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

... or shortstop. No one should be surprised if he plays at least a few innings there, as well.

Cora trusts him complicitly.

I could see him there temporarily.  From what I understand, he plays the position passably.  But he might not be the best option if the need is long term…

[Hugh2]

7 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Whatever, dude, it's what he said. You can claim the translator doesn't know Spanish all you want if it makes you feel better.

Oh second point to playing telephone.  You just said "You can claim the translator doesn't know spanish all you want"

But you see, that's not what I said.  I didn't say he didn't know spanish but that's how you took it.   Now think about that and add in the layer of going from one language to the next.  That's what happens when you speak through an interpreter and then someone writes a story about it. 

But again, all he said was "I play 3B" which is true, up until now he has played 3B for more than 1/2 a decade.  Until the team explicitly tells him otherwise why should answer that question any differently? 

[Hugh2]

Bun, lettuce, tomotato, some cheese, maybe a little onion, the special sauce, and whole lotta NOTHING

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

6 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Oh second point to playing telephone.  You just said "You can claim the translator doesn't know spanish all you want"

But you see, that's not what I said.  I didn't say he didn't know spanish but that's how you took it.   Now think about that and add in the layer of going from one language to the next.  That's what happens when you speak through an interpreter and then someone writes a story about it. 

But again, all he said was "I play 3B" which is true, up until now he has played 3B for more than 1/2 a decade.  Until the team explicitly tells him otherwise why should answer that question any differently? 

There's other Spanish speaking players on the team, literally hundreds throughout baseball and millions of people in this country that speak Spanish, yet the only one claiming that he didn't say what he said is you. Surely one of those Spanish speaking people would have spoken up at this point.

[Hugh2]

39 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

There's other Spanish speaking players on the team, literally hundreds throughout baseball and millions of people in this country that speak Spanish, yet the only one claiming that he didn't say what he said is you. Surely one of those Spanish speaking people would have spoken up at this point.

LMFAO I honestly can't tell if you're just not getting this or if you're messing with me.  Not only did I not say that he didn't say that, I explicitly came back and said that I didn't say that.  Kind of ironic for you to say that and take this position. 

What I said was "things get lost in transition."  If you can't understand the difference I can't help you. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

9 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

LMFAO I honestly can't tell if you're just not getting this or if you're messing with me.  Not only did I not say that he didn't say that, I explicitly came back and said that I didn't say that.  Kind of ironic for you to say that and take this position. 

What I said was "things get lost in transition."  If you can't understand the difference I can't help you. 

I'm not sure you get it.

If he said what he said then it was not lost in translation.

Smh........

[moonslav59]

57 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

There's other Spanish speaking players on the team, literally hundreds throughout baseball and millions of people in this country that speak Spanish, yet the only one claiming that he didn't say what he said is you. Surely one of those Spanish speaking people would have spoken up at this point.

I speak Spanish, and I heard what he said. Words can be translated within the context they are said, differently, and some expressions are hard to translate, and even harder, if the translator is not from the same area as the player.

For example, Devers said "The conversation not close." That's how it was translated in print. IMO, he meant, the conversation is not closed, as in I'm open to talking about it. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I speak Spanish, and I heard what he said. Words can be translated within the context they are said, differently, and some expressions are hard to translate, and even harder, if the translator is not from the same area as the player.

For example, Devers said "The conversation not close." That's how it was translated in print. IMO, he meant, the conversation is not closed, as in I'm open to talking about it. 

Again, why are none of his Spanish speaking teammates refuting what was printed?

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Again, why are none of his Spanish speaking teammates refuting what was printed?

Because it's not a big deal in house and the team moved on by the end of the day while they were hanging out at Cora's house. 

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Again, why are none of his Spanish speaking teammates refuting what was printed?

Why should they? They might not even understand the written article in English or notice the nuance.

You are missing the point. Take the last statement I quoted., "The conversation not close." It does not even make sense as written.  There is no verb. I know what he said. I listened again, today. He was clearly saying the talks are not done. Not that the conversation is not close to him geographically.

Come on, dude!

[Hugh2]

46 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

I'm not sure you get it.

If he said what he said then it was not lost in translation.

Smh........

Yup, I can't help you. 

[mvp 78]

Yup, we're really getting somewhere with this conversation! 😔

[Hugh2]

I talk to my ex-wife everyday.  We are really good friends still.  Our kids are multi-lingual and each speak two languages (although my daughter is on her third).  Their mother speaks 7 different languages, she worked in the courts as an interpreter. 

I was literally married to an interpreter.  I would like to think I at least kind of know what the ffff I'm talking about here. Saying that things don't get lost in translation is just absurdly Ludacris to me but more importantly it's not about what we heard It's about what HE heard, and I don' think many people are considering that at all.  

What position are you going to play, can turn into what position do you like playing very quickly.  "he said what he said" carries a completely different context when you can understand things get lost in transition sometimes.  I think Raffy is just going to tell us he's playing 3B until the team tells him otherwise and that's fine I honestly can't believe people give a s***.

No one is talking about this down at the Fort because literally no one else cares except us fans.  His teammates are talking about it because they don't care. 

No one cares because it's a NOTHING BURGER!!!!

[dgalehouse]

This is how I see it:  Devers has been the Sox third baseman for over seven years, including on a world championship team. He is generally considered their best player at this time. Now, he hears talk that he is not good enough defensively and has to change positions to make room for the new guy. Devers is human. He has his pride and his feelings. So, he reacts by saying something like " I am the third baseman, I don't want to play another position or DH". The more diplomatic response would have been,  " I prefer playing third, but I will do whatever the manager wants to help the team".  But Devers' response was totally understandable. I don't blame the translator or the reporter. If anything, I blame Sox management for being indecisive. They should have made it clear to Devers, Bregman and Casas exactly what their plans were and what was expected from each of them. 

[mvp 78]

26 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Yup, we're really getting somewhere with this conversation! 😔

Don't make me keep tapping this sign...

[notin]

I think his translator was covering himself over all tha Devers’ money he lost betting on baseball games.  Start a controversy, he thought.  Draw attention away…

[notin]

3 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

This is how I see it:  Devers has been the Sox third baseman for over seven years, including on a world championship team. He is generally considered their best player at this time. Now, he hears talk that he is not good enough defensively and has to change positions to make room for the new guy. Devers is human. He has his pride and his feelings. So, he reacts by saying something like " I am the third baseman, I don't want to play another position or DH". The more diplomatic response would have been,  " I prefer playing third, but I will do whatever the manager wants to help the team".  But Devers' response was totally understandable. I don't blame the translator or the reporter. If anything, I blame Sox management for being indecisive. They should have made it clear to Devers, Bregman and Casas exactly what their plans were and what was expected from each of them. 

I agree Devers was just being human.  But ultimately, plan shared or not, the job of each ideal to do what the manager says.  And I think they will when Cora actually tells them.  Of course at this point, this is just media frenzy.  Devers, Casas and Bregman better not be caught sharing a bucket of chicken over a few cold ones.  Hell will definitely break loose if that happens…

[Hugh2]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Because it's not a big deal in house and the team moved on by the end of the day while they were hanging out at Cora's house. 

ding ding ding we have a winner!!!! It's a nothing burger. 

The reason why this grinds my gears, is there's going to come a time.  Maybe this time is in the summer, maybe its next.  But there will be a time when Devers hits a slump, and people are going to come back to this time and use this "nothing burger" against him.  And that's just bananas. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

37 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I talk to my ex-wife everyday.  We are really good friends still.  Our kids are multi-lingual and each speak two languages (although my daughter is on her third).  Their mother speaks 7 different languages, she worked in the courts as an interpreter. 

I was literally married to an interpreter.  I would like to think I at least kind of know what the ffff I'm talking about here. Saying that things don't get lost in translation is just absurdly Ludacris to me but more importantly it's not about what we heard It's about what HE heard, and I don' think many people are considering that at all.  

What position are you going to play, can turn into what position do you like playing very quickly.  "he said what he said" carries a completely different context when you can understand things get lost in transition sometimes.  I think Raffy is just going to tell us he's playing 3B until the team tells him otherwise and that's fine I honestly can't believe people give a s***.

No one is talking about this down at the Fort because literally no one else cares except us fans.  His teammates are talking about it because they don't care. 

No one cares because it's a NOTHING BURGER!!!!

That's great, you can "think" all you like, that doesn't make it true.