Video: Garrett Crochet is in Boston, but What Comes Next?

[Brandon Glick]

Still in need of a catcher and more pitchers, the Red Sox can't afford to stop adding reinforcements to their roster now.

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[moonslav59]

Pretty much nails our position.

There "HAS TO BE A NEXT!"

Burnes or Bregman are the two big prizes, but I only want Bregman, if Devers moves to 1B/DH.

Casas at DH over Yoshida would be great, but trading him for pitching might make more sense.

If we miss on one of these two, I think we'd need two from this group:

Teoscar or Santander

Flaherty, Manaea, Scott, Hoffman and maybe Pivetta or Estevez, plus a better catcher than Wong-Narvaez/Gasper.

This doesn't seem absurd, when you figure we bid $700M for Soto.

[drewski6]

Id be okay with Breg at 2b, but other than that , agree Moon.

Give me one of TH, Breg, Santander (in that order of preference)
 AND

Hoffman or Scott (in that order of preference)

AND

One of: Manaea, the rookie Pirates SP not named Skenes, Castillo, Pivetta, Flaherty, Buehler (in that order of preference)

[drewski6]

And I agree its feasible. Im a tad shy to say its "likely" but its certainly realistic

[drewski6]

And yes, MVP, Manaea is first because Im a wrestling fan

[drewski6]

Jared Jones (the pirates pitcher I alluded to above) has 40.5 trade value units, Abreu has 32. Can probably get there throwing in a 10 surplus value prospec/player.

Hed be cheap so you can then get TH and one of Hoffman/Scott no problem.

[Bellhorn04]

5 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Jared Jones (the pirates pitcher I alluded to above) has 40.5 trade value units, Abreu has 32. Can probably get there throwing in a 10 surplus value prospec/player.

Hed be cheap so you can then get TH and one of Hoffman/Scott no problem.

Can't always rely on the BTV numbers for realistic trades though.  If the Pirates would actually trade Jones for Abreu plus that 10+ other it would probably be done already.  

[drewski6]

11 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Can't always rely on the BTV numbers for realistic trades though.  If the Pirates would actually trade Jones for Abreu plus that 10+ other it would probably be done already.  

Fair

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

Id be okay with Breg at 2b, but other than that , agree Moon.

Give me one of TH, Breg, Santander (in that order of preference)
 AND

Hoffman or Scott (in that order of preference)

AND

One of: Manaea, the rookie Pirates SP not named Skenes, Castillo, Pivetta, Flaherty, Buehler (in that order of preference)

I'd rather have Bregman at 2B than have no Bregman, but for that money, play him where he helps the team the most: 3B. 

1. Devers sucks at 3B and should be better than Casas at 1B- at worst, he's even.

2. Bregman is a plus on D at 3B.

3. We have Campbell about to be called up, and it looks like 2B may be his best landing spot.

4. A DHam-Grissom/Romy platoon at 2B would be decent, so 2B is no longer a high priority need- something we have not been able to say in many years.)

I'd rather pay Teoscar or Santander less than have Bregman at 2B. (If the plan is to move Bregman to 3B, next year, maybe.)

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

Id be okay with Breg at 2b, but other than that , agree Moon.

Give me one of TH, Breg, Santander (in that order of preference)
 AND

Hoffman or Scott (in that order of preference)

AND

One of: Manaea, the rookie Pirates SP not named Skenes, Castillo, Pivetta, Flaherty, Buehler (in that order of preference)

Signing Bregman for 2b makes little sense to me. If they are signing him to have him take over at 3b it makes much more sense. 

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Signing Bregman for 2b makes little sense to me. If they are signing him to have him take over at 3b it makes much more sense. 

I was cold towards Bregman, earlier, this winter. I'm still not a big fan of his, but maybe out of desperation, I'm thinking he might work well for us, but ONLY if it means we finally get Devers off 3B. I'm not sure if Devers can play 1B better than casas, but he can't be much worse. If he is, just DH him, or alternate 1B-DH between Casas and Devers. Maybe that would help prolong their careers and keep them a bit healthier. Maybe they'd need less whole days off, if the both DH'd 80 games a year.

He's also a decent RHB with some pop. This is a pretty decent line-up:

1. Duran LF v R/ CF v L

2. Bregman 3B

3. Casas DH/1B

4. Devers 1B/DH

5. Story SS

6. Abreu RF v R Refsnyder LF v L

7. Campbell 2B (DHam v R/ Grissom v L)

8. Anthony CF v R/ RF v L

9. Wong- Narvaez

IL: Yoshida

Bench: Narvaez/Wong, Refsnyder/Abreu, DHam & Grissom

[drewski6]

42 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I was cold towards Bregman, earlier, this winter. I'm still not a big fan of his, but maybe out of desperation, I'm thinking he might work well for us, but ONLY if it means we finally get Devers off 3B. I'm not sure if Devers can play 1B better than casas, but he can't be much worse. If he is, just DH him, or alternate 1B-DH between Casas and Devers. Maybe that would help prolong their careers and keep them a bit healthier. Maybe they'd need less whole days off, if the both DH'd 80 games a year.

He's also a decent RHB with some pop. This is a pretty decent line-up:

1. Duran LF v R/ CF v L

2. Bregman 3B

3. Casas DH/1B

4. Devers 1B/DH

5. Story SS

6. Abreu RF v R Refsnyder LF v L

7. Campbell 2B (DHam v R/ Grissom v L)

8. Anthony CF v R/ RF v L

9. Wong- Narvaez

IL: Yoshida

Bench: Narvaez/Wong, Refsnyder/Abreu, DHam & Grissom

This doesnt need to be fully flushed out right now.  We have question marks at 2B and DH.  I dont foresee it being too hard to get Breg into lineup. Theres also attrition.

[moonslav59]

Just now, drewski6 said:

This doesnt need to be fully flushed out right now.  We have question marks at 2B and DH.  I dont foresee it being too hard to get Breg into lineup. Theres also attrition.

Oh, he'd play at 2B, if we kept Devers at 3B, but why not "flush it out," now?

Devers has sucked at 3B for way too long. Bregman is a plus defender there.

Also, about 2B, while it has been a major issue for over 6 years, except for the brief time Story played there, I feel better about what we have, now, since Pedey.

I'm a big fan of Campbell, and I'd be okay with him being our starting 2Bman on opening day, or the day after he earns the extra year of control. I'm also more than fine with starting the year with DHam vs RHPs and grissom or Romy vs LHPs. I like all 3 of them better than EValdez, Westbrook, Sogard, Reyes, Gasper and Wong. These guys played more than half the innings at 2B, last year.

Grissom did not look good on D.

[drewski6]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Oh, he'd play at 2B, if we kept Devers at 3B, but why not "flush it out," now?

Devers has sucked at 3B for way too long. Bregman is a plus defender there.

Also, about 2B, while it has been a major issue for over 6 years, except for the brief time Story played there, I feel better about what we have, now, since Pedey.

I'm a big fan of Campbell, and I'd be okay with him being our starting 2Bman on opening day, or the day after he earns the extra year of control. I'm also more than fine with starting the year with DHam vs RHPs and grissom or Romy vs LHPs. I like all 3 of them better than EValdez, Westbrook, Sogard, Reyes, Gasper and Wong. These guys played more than half the innings at 2B, last year.

Grissom did not look good on D.

Because we dont know what injuries will emerge, and if Yoshida will hit next year.  There are many avenues to Bregman making us better.

What happens if Story gets hurt and Yoshida hits well when he returns?  Then you are likely to use Breg at MI vs CI.

But the inverse is just as likely, Yoshida stinking and Campbell filling 2b well and Story being healthy.

The good thing about Breg is his versatility. 

[drewski6]

Stay flexibile.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Because we dont know what injuries will emerge, and if Yoshida will hit next year.  There are many avenues to Bregman making us better.

What happens if Story gets hurt and Yoshida hits well when he returns?  Then you are likely to use Breg at MI vs CI.

But the inverse is just as likely, Yoshida stinking and Campbell filling 2b well and Story being healthy.

The good thing about Breg is his versatility. 

But why start the plan with Devers at 3B and Breg at 2B just to keep Yoshida in the line-up?

If that's the case, then trade Casas for a pitcher.

Sure, Bregman can be a back-up plan for 2B or SS, but no way do I signing him to be the 2025 2B plan. The flexibility is a plus, for sure, and could come into play, but not on the projected 2025 starting line-up.

Injuries can always change things.

[drewski6]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

But why start the plan with Devers at 3B and Breg at 2B just to keep Yoshida in the line-up?

If that's the case, then trade Casas for a pitcher.

Sure, Bregman can be a back-up plan for 2B or SS, but no way do I signing him to be the 2025 2B plan. The flexibility is a plus, for sure, and could come into play, but not on the projected 2025 starting line-up.

Injuries can always change things.

The flexibility is more valuable than being able to pencil everyone in on December 17.

If he is signed the plan will be to get his bat in the lineup at the cost of the weak link. Lets see who that weak link is. Could be 2B, could be DH.

I dont really care if you slot Breg in at 3B or 2B at this point in time. The fact that both avenues exist, makes me think he'll get into the lineup somehow.

[moonslav59]

37 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

The flexibility is more valuable than being able to pencil everyone in on December 17.

If he is signed the plan will be to get his bat in the lineup at the cost of the weak link. Lets see who that weak link is. Could be 2B, could be DH.

I dont really care if you slot Breg in at 3B or 2B at this point in time. The fact that both avenues exist, makes me think he'll get into the lineup somehow.

IMO, the weak link is clear as day, now, but yes, it could change, and that is a plus with Bregman. His ability to play SS might be more important than 2B, actually.

To me, fixing our 3B defense, and maybe improving 1B D overrides trying to keep Yoshida in the line-up. I'm also more confident in our 2B options than many seem to be. (Campbell and the platoon of DHam with Grissom/Romy)

Nobody has to be etched in stone on DEC 17th, but I think signing him with the idea that he'd play 2B, with everyone healthy seems very wrong, to me.

The line-up may be stronger with Yoshida over DHam-Grissom, and I can see how that is a solid point, but I actually think a DHam-Grissom/Romy platoon can hit .775, like Yoshida does, and the D upgrade would be very helpful with Breg at 2B, DHam-Campbell at 2B and devers at 1B.

Just my take.

(BTW, I was also for Story at SS and Bogey at 2B or 3B, when we signed Trevor, so what do I know?)

 

[drewski6]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

IMO, the weak link is clear as day, now, but yes, it could change, and that is a plus with Bregman. His ability to play SS might be more important than 2B, actually.

To me, fixing our 3B defense, and maybe improving 1B D overrides trying to keep Yoshida in the line-up. I'm also more confident in our 2B options than many seem to be. (Campbell and the platoon of DHam with Grissom/Romy)

Nobody has to be etched in stone on DEC 17th, but I think signing him with the idea that he'd play 2B, with everyone healthy seems very wrong, to me.

The line-up may be stronger with Yoshida over DHam-Grissom, and I can see how that is a solid point, but I actually think a DHam-Grissom/Romy platoon can hit .775, like Yoshida does, and the D upgrade would be very helpful with Breg at 2B, DHam-Campbell at 2B and devers at 1B.

Just my take.

(BTW, I was also for Story at SS and Bogey at 2B or 3B, when we signed Trevor, so what do I know?)

 

Fine, slot him at 3B - but dont trade Casas IMO. Well, it depends on return but if you trade Casas you are cutting into your flexibility.

If Yoshida becomes a massively overpaid bench player, its a sunk cost.  Most likely, there will be some kind of injury or bust somewhere , and we'll be well suited to juggle things around and maintain success if we have Bregman, Casas, Devers, Yoshida, Story, Campbell....

Devers to 1B and Casas to DH can be plan A, no issues with that.  But if Story gets hurt or Campbell needs more time, or maybe Campbell moves to OF if RA needs more time....

My only point is that I value Bregmans flexibility and would welcome his signing even if we dont immediately trade Casas.  Because trading Casas cant be undone.  Where you slot Bregman on the diamond can be undone.

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Fine, slot him at 3B - but dont trade Casas IMO. Well, it depends on return but if you trade Casas you are cutting into your flexibility.

If Yoshida becomes a massively overpaid bench player, its a sunk cost.  Most likely, there will be some kind of injury or bust somewhere , and we'll be well suited to juggle things around and maintain success if we have Bregman, Casas, Devers, Yoshida, Story, Campbell....

Devers to 1B and Casas to DH can be plan A, no issues with that.  But if Story gets hurt or Campbell needs more time, or maybe Campbell moves to OF if RA needs more time....

My only point is that I value Bregmans flexibility and would welcome his signing even if we dont immediately trade Casas.  Because trading Casas cant be undone.  Where you slot Bregman on the diamond can be undone.

I think alternating Devers and Casas at 1B-DH could help them stay healthier and not need days off from the line-up. That could give each of them 20+ more PAs, even if they still get hurt the same amount.

If Yohida becomes a sunken cost, so be it. The Bregman gain is worth it. The improved defense is worth it. Word was he could have played LF in 2024, had he not been hurt, so maybe he could play some there.

Many see Yoshida as already being a sunken cost, and one poster already wants him DFA'd.

I'm biased towards defense. I admit it.