Red Sox ownership

[Bellhorn04]

I actually don’t find it all that plausible, since Henry must have been somewhat aware of DDs management style from their time together in Miami…

 

But there was a significant time gap in between, and maybe DD became more "set in his ways" as time went on. Plus we don't know that much about the inner workings of the Sox FO, just that there seem to be a lot of people in it. It's getting audited right now, in fact.

[Bellhorn04]

With major cuts to the budget on the horizon, it was not going to be a good fit for DD or the Sox. That is not how DD is best situated.

 

It was all one big package deal in Henry's head - DD goes, Betts goes, payroll gets cut, Bloom does the Tampa Bay North thing.

[notin]

I'm not sure it matters- the reason. It was probably a few things combined.

 

With major cuts to the budget on the horizon, it was not going to be a good fit for DD or the Sox. That is not how DD is best situated.

 

 

Why is FSG - worth approximately $8billion - doing major budget cuts on the Red Sox, a team that earned them over half a billion in 2023 alone?

[Bellhorn04]

Why is FSG - worth approximately $8billion - doing major budget cuts on the Red Sox, a team that earned them over half a billion in 2023 alone?

 

Probably because their projections show a higher profit with a $200 million payroll than with a $250 million payroll, which probably hinges on the premise that fans will still keep feeding the cash cow even if the team is mediocre.

[moonslav59]

It was all one big package deal in Henry's head - DD goes, Betts goes, payroll gets cut, Bloom does the Tampa Bay North thing.

 

There is just no way DD fits into the Rays Noth philosophy.

[moonslav59]

Why is FSG - worth approximately $8billion - doing major budget cuts on the Red Sox, a team that earned them over half a billion in 2023 alone?

 

It was and is what it is.

 

They have their reasons, but the fact is, spending cuts were coming and DD was not the guy for that.

 

We did him a favor.

[Bellhorn04]

There is just no way DD fits into the Rays Noth philosophy.

 

DD parachuted into an even better gig.

[Bellhorn04]

It was and is what it is.

 

They have their reasons, but the fact is, spending cuts were coming and DD was not the guy for that.

 

We did him a favor.

 

We did Betts a favor too. We're in the business of helping others.

[moonslav59]

We did Betts a favor too. We're in the business of helping others.

 

In terms of having a better team around him, yes, but we could have paid him more than LAD did.

[Bellhorn04]

In terms of having a better team around him, yes, but we could have paid him more than LAD did.

 

"Could have", indeed.

[notin]

In terms of having a better team around him, yes, but we could have paid him more than LAD did.

 

But that wouldn’t be helpful.

 

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you give him another hobby to spend some of that $360mill contract on. I mean, it’s not like bowling is all that expensive. Mookie needs a bass boat…

[Bellhorn04]

But that wouldn’t be helpful.

 

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you give him another hobby to spend some of that $360mill contract on. I mean, it’s not like bowling is all that expensive. Mookie needs a bass boat…

 

Mookie's a bit of a media personality now too. He's certainly not in the worst location for his lifestyle...

[notin]

Mookie's a bit of a media personality now too. He's certainly not in the worst location for his lifestyle...

 

I suspect - with no evidence whatsoever - that Mookie never really wanted to stay in Boston…

[Bellhorn04]

I suspect - with no evidence whatsoever - that Mookie never really wanted to stay in Boston…

 

I think he would have stayed if shown the money. OTOH I'm sure he's pretty damn glad how this worked out.

[jad]

I suspect - with no evidence whatsoever - that Mookie never really wanted to stay in Boston…

 

I agree. There is no evidence whatsoever for that.

[moonslav59]

I suspect - with no evidence whatsoever - that Mookie never really wanted to stay in Boston…

 

I'm not so sure, but it's possible.

 

It sounded like he was ready to sign and extension, years before, but his Mom talked him out of it.

 

Seemed like it was about money, then, anyway.

[Maxbialystock]

I'm not so sure, but it's possible.

 

It sounded like he was ready to sign and extension, years before, but his Mom talked him out of it.

 

Seemed like it was about money, then, anyway.

 

He seems pretty happy in LA--not just the money, but the team and the front office. I wouldn't want to live in LA, but I'm not sure I'd like to live in Boston either.

 

I believe the Dodgers were determined to get Mookie, and their timing could not have been better. In 2019, the year of decision for Mookie, the Sox already had the biggest payroll in MLB, and signing Mookie long-term was going to increase that a bunch. Then there was the problem of the two aces, Price and Sale, who were coming up deuces and were owed a whole lot of money.

[mvp 78]

I suspect - with no evidence whatsoever - that Mookie never really wanted to stay in Boston…

 

That only makes you feel better about him leaving.

[notin]

That only makes you feel better about him leaving.

 

Except that I rarely if ever bring it up…

[mvp 78]

Except that I rarely if ever bring it up…

 

Ok? I don't think about Mookie except when I log in here or look at baseball cards.

[Maxbialystock]

In terms of having a better team around him, yes, but we could have paid him more than LAD did.

 

Seriously? In 2019, the year Mookie was traded to the Dodgers along with David Price, the Sox already had the biggest payroll in MLB. To keep Mookie away from the Dodgers, who I believe were fully prepared to outbid the Sox, That biggest payroll in MLB was going to get a lot bigger because the Sox also needed to fix their rotation given the collapse of their two aces, Price and Sale.

[notin]

Ok? I don't think about Mookie except when I log in here or look at baseball cards.

 

I meant that one theory…

[Maxbialystock]

While we're on the topic of Mookie, I'd like to point out that the vaunted Dodgers have stunk in the postseason with him--that is, in 2021, 2022, and 2023. And I simply don't count the 2020 season at all because of covid.

 

The woebegone Sox, on the other hand, made it to the ALCS in 2021 before losing to the Astros, 4 games to 2.

 

I think Mookie is terrific and a sure HOF'er. This year he's even stepped in at SS. Amazing. But guess what? He's just one player on defense and in the lineup--and he doesn't pitch.

 

On the other hand, and I agree this is a big factor, the Dodgers attendance is the best in MLB and has been the best for a very long time. This year they are drawing 47K to the Phillies 40K (which is fantastic for the Phillies), to the Padres 39K, and to the Yankees 39K. And the Sox woebegone 32K.

[Bellhorn04]

While we're on the topic of Mookie, I'd like to point out that the vaunted Dodgers have stunk in the postseason with him--that is, in 2021, 2022, and 2023. And I simply don't count the 2020 season at all because of covid.

 

The woebegone Sox, on the other hand, made it to the ALCS in 2021 before losing to the Astros, 4 games to 2.

 

I think Mookie is terrific and a sure HOF'er. This year he's even stepped in at SS. Amazing. But guess what? He's just one player on defense and in the lineup--and he doesn't pitch.

 

Sure, just like Babe Ruth was "just one player". Why so much commotion about the Red Sox losing Ruth, huh?

[mvp 78]

While we're on the topic of Mookie, I'd like to point out that the vaunted Dodgers have stunk in the postseason with him--that is, in 2021, 2022, and 2023. And I simply don't count the 2020 season at all because of covid.

 

The woebegone Sox, on the other hand, made it to the ALCS in 2021 before losing to the Astros, 4 games to 2.

 

I think Mookie is terrific and a sure HOF'er. This year he's even stepped in at SS. Amazing. But guess what? He's just one player on defense and in the lineup--and he doesn't pitch.

 

On the other hand, and I agree this is a big factor, the Dodgers attendance is the best in MLB and has been the best for a very long time. This year they are drawing 47K to the Phillies 40K (which is fantastic for the Phillies), to the Padres 39K, and to the Yankees 39K. And the Sox woebegone 32K.

 

He's had a 619 OPS since 2021 in the Postseason, but the bigger issue has been their starting rotation, especially last season when they got bounced early.

[Nick]

Sure, just like Babe Ruth was "just one player". Why so much commotion about the Red Sox losing Ruth, huh?

 

So it'll take another 100 years to quit talking about Betts?

 

It's unbelievable how some people can't get over Mookie being a Dodger.

 

He's gone! He ain't coming back. Get over it. Geez Louise

 

He didn't love you. He couldn't wait to get the hell out of miserable Boston.

 

Seriously, where would you want to play? Good weather in LA or slushing through mud in April in Boston? Wearing face mask, turtle neck, long johns, etc.

[mvp 78]

So it'll take another 100 years to quit talking about Betts?

 

It's unbelievable how some people can't get over Mookie being a Dodger.

 

He's gone! He ain't coming back. Get over it. Geez Louise

 

He didn't love you. He couldn't wait to get the hell out of miserable Boston.

 

Seriously, where would you want to play? Good weather in LA or slushing through mud in April in Boston? Wearing face mask, turtle neck, long johns, etc.

 

But May Gray and June Gloom!!! The marine layer is the worst!!!

[Maxbialystock]

Sure, just like Babe Ruth was "just one player". Why so much commotion about the Red Sox losing Ruth, huh?

 

Ruth was great, no question, but for big chunks of his tenure with the Yankees their lineup was known as "murderer's row." They spent whatever was needed to stay competitive and in the process drove both the Dodgers and the Giants out of town--even though I hasten to say both have prospered on the West Coast. Thus have the Yankees won 27 WS's.

 

Where I think players like Ruth and Ted Williams and just maybe Bryce Harper of the Phillies have their greatest value is putting butts in seats--attendance.

[Bellhorn04]

Ruth was great, no question, but for big chunks of his tenure with the Yankees their lineup was known as "murderer's row." They spent whatever was needed to stay competitive and in the process drove both the Dodgers and the Giants out of town--even though I hasten to say both have prospered on the West Coast. Thus have the Yankees won 27 WS's.

 

Where I think players like Ruth and Ted Williams and just maybe Bryce Harper of the Phillies have their greatest value is putting butts in seats--attendance.

 

You have some unique takes for sure.

[Nick]

But May Gray and June Gloom!!! The marine layer is the worst!!!

 

And not to mention Betts ain't no Ruth.