A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[Bellhorn04]

Is it ironic that the guy we traded sale for (Grissom) is hurt?

Is it ironic that the guy to take sale’s place in the rotation (giolito) is hurt?

 

Alanis Morissette would say it was ironic.

[Bellhorn04]

Giolito was a dubious signing because of the way he ended 2023.

[Bellhorn04]

And if they don't replace Giolito and the innings he was expected to pitch, they're asking for disaster.

[Old Red]

Giolito was a dubious signing because of the way he ended 2023.

 

And especially, which looks like now for $38.5M.

[Bellhorn04]

I did say I was gonna puke if they signed Giolito, so I'm not just buzzarding on him.

[notin]

Alanis Morissette would say it was ironic.

 

The most ironic thing about that song is that it has no examples of actual irony…

[Bellhorn04]

The most ironic thing about that song is that it has no examples of actual irony…

 

Yeah, it was really all about s***** luck.

 

Not sure if Giolito qualifies.

[Old Red]

And if they don't replace Giolito and the innings he was expected to pitch, they're asking for disaster.

 

20 days, and counting to do so.

[notin]

Yeah, it was really all about s***** luck.

 

Not sure if Giolito qualifies.

 

I’m thinking Cream’s “Born Under a Bad Sign” would be more appropriate.

 

“If it wasn’t for bad luck, I wouldn’t have any luck at all”

 

I would also have accepted “Mr. Bad Luck” by Jimi Hendrix…

[Bellhorn04]

Giolito's actual theme song last year was "Charlie Brown".

[mvp 78]

soxprospects.com now has Wink listed as the Sox sixth SP'er and Walter and Criswell as the 1-2 starters in AAA. Wikelman starts the season at AA.

 

Gonzalez will be in WOO before the end of May. That's close enough for an emergency call up if he's pitching well.

[Dipre]

The most ironic thing about that song is that it has no examples of actual irony…

 

....and that's ironic

[mvp 78]

No. It is more and moronic. Both had issues last year, as did O'Neill (currently sidelined with a leg strain), and Cron...

 

... subsequently, each became available to a team like the Red Sox.

 

The issue Grissom had last year was hitting the 7 day injured list in September?

[mvp 78]

20 days, and counting to do so.

 

Don't worry. They won't.

[notin]

The issue Grissom had last year was hitting the 7 day injured list in September?

 

Clearly he’s sunk cost now…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The issue Grissom had last year was hitting the 7 day injured list in September?

 

No one on this forum typed that except you. Griz did have an issue playing shortstop for Atlanta, where he started 18 games and made a Kikesque 6 errors.

 

Luckily, the Braves had a fallback in Arcia, who hadn't been a regular shortstop since the pandemic, and who wound up starting the All-Star game.

 

Red Sox fans are intrigued (and still waiting) to see if Grissom can instead become a viable big league second baseman...

[mvp 78]

No one on this forum typed that except you.

 

Grissom and Giolito had injury problems last year?

 

[Dipre]

Jesus Christ

[mvp 78]

Clearly he’s sunk cost now…

 

Grissom

Meidroth

 

to A's

 

Blackburn

Boyle

[notin]

....and that's ironic

 

Don’t you think?

[notin]

No one on this forum except you typed that... but Griz did have a hip injury, and a lot of baseballs thrown by Gio were injured by home run hitters.

 

… and mvp

[notin]

No one on this forum typed that except you. Griz did have an issue playing shortstop for Atlanta, where he started 18 games and made a Kikesque 6 errors.

 

Luckily, the Braves had a fallback in Arcia, who hadn't been a regular shortstop since the pandemic, and who wound up starting the All-Star game.

 

Red Sox fans are intrigued (and still waiting) to see if Grissom can instead become a viable big league second baseman...

 

Exactly how is that moronic?

 

Is it more or less moronic than taking an elite defensive RF with multiple Gold Gloves and moving him to 2b to accommodate a one way former free agent flop? Also to move the incumbent starting 2b to SS, where, apparently he cannot field?

 

But it’s the Dodgers. The win their division every year and have a star-laden $300mill payroll with no middle infielders. Right move or moronic?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Exactly how is that moronic?

 

 

because it's more and moronic it keeps happening in Boston, where the front office gets what it pays for -- which are acquisitions that are prone to break down with some kind of flaw that made them available as alternatives to spending on top talent?

 

because it rhymes with ironic?

 

because semantics police lurk in the dirt like trapdoor spiders, ever ready to pounce on any word they can counter, just for the sake of creating arguments that keep the majority of forum members from even bothering to post anymore?

[Bellhorn04]

Giolito gave up 24 HR in his last 72 IP and he was our big pitching acquisition. That might qualify as moronic.

[Duran Is The Man]

Giolito gave up 24 HR in his last 72 IP and he was our big pitching acquisition. That might qualify as moronic.

 

But he’s an “innings-eater”. LOLOLOL

[notin]

Giolito gave up 24 HR in his last 72 IP and he was our big pitching acquisition. That might qualify as moronic.

 

That might.

 

But he certainly did have a significant history of being a successful MLB pitcher prior to that stretch. And not every bad stretch is a predecessor of a sudden career end…

[notin]

because it's more and moronic it keeps happening in Boston, where the front office gets what it pays for -- which are acquisitions that are prone to break down with some kind of flaw that made them available as alternatives to spending on top talent?

 

because it rhymes with ironic?

 

because semantics police lurk in the dirt like trapdoor spiders, ever ready to pounce on any word they can counter, just for the sake of creating arguments that keep the majority of forum members from even bothering to post anymore?

 

Losing Giolito to a pre-season injury isn’t ironic or moronic, and his weak finish to 2023 wasn’t an indicator that he was getting injured. Eovaldi had an ERA over 9.00 over the last two months. Did it slow him down through October? Bello finished weakly last year, too. Should the Sox have waited long to extend him.

 

Signing Giolito wasn’t”moronic”, although it’s cleanly not going to help this year. Sometimes injuries are actually unforeseen by human beings who simply fail to be psychic. But what is moronic by the Sox is the failure to even bother adding anything to replace Giolito. Just bump another reliever into the toll rotation. And then grab whatever minor leaguer was next in line and push him into the bullpen.

 

And using Giolito’s injury as an excuse to drop out of the bidding for Montgomery is also moronic. Giolito was a one-year stopgap solution. Montgomery is a multi year solution. You don’t abandon the multi year solution because the stopgap collapsed. I suppose if they’re not wild about Montgomery, that’s one thing. But they do need some sort of plan. (I’m sure there is a plan, but it’s hard to recognize it. At least for me.)

[Bellhorn04]

That might.

 

But he certainly did have a significant history of being a successful MLB pitcher prior to that stretch. And not every bad stretch is a predecessor of a sudden career end…

 

Career ERA 4.43

Career FIP 4.44

 

He's been good, bad and ugly over his career, netting out as supremely mediocre.

 

Hated the signing. Dumpster dive with no upside. If he pitched well he'd opt out after 2024.

[Bellhorn04]

Losing Giolito to a pre-season injury isn’t ironic or moronic, and his weak finish to 2023 wasn’t an indicator that he was getting injured. Eovaldi had an ERA over 9.00 over the last two months.

 

Include innings please.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

That might.

 

But he certainly did have a significant history of being a successful MLB pitcher prior to that stretch. And not every bad stretch is a predecessor of a sudden career end…

 

So true. Reminds of Jim Palmer, who, after leading the AL in ERA in 1973, gave up almost a run more per game the next year. But he bounced back to led in ERA again in 1975 (for those who value won-loss records, Big Jim was a 20-game winner for four straight years before slumping to 7-12 in '74; he then won 20 or more the next four years).

 

The difference is that Palmer had elbow problems for at least two months during '74, and Giolito's were just disclosed now, after two really bad seasons.