Happy Trails Tito

[sk7326]

A sendoff for someone who might be best manager in the history of TWO franchises.

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38498193/terry-francona-manager-guardians-red-sox-retire

[moonslav59]

He did not deserve the treatment he got when leaving the Sox.

 

Enjoy your retirement, Tito!

 

[mvp 78]

He did not deserve the treatment he got when leaving the Sox.

 

Enjoy your retirement, Tito!

 

 

A black mark on this ownership group for sure.

[Bellhorn04]

Happy trails Terry. Stay healthy.

[mvp 78]

During the 2004 Duck Boat parade, I was most excited when I saw Tito. I don't know why, but I cheered the loudest for him. Probably because of Grady Little?

[notin]

During the 2004 Duck Boat parade, I was most excited when I saw Tito. I don't know why, but I cheered the loudest for him. Probably because of Grady Little?

 

You were so much younger back then where you actually blamed Grady Little

[mvp 78]

You were so much younger back then where you actually blamed Grady Little

 

I'm still young at heart. f*** Grady Little.

[sk7326]

I am old enough to remember him as Michael Jordan's manager at Birmingham.

[mvp 78]

I am old enough to remember how great he looked in an Expos uni.

[sk7326]

i think i had an old baseball card with him from his cubs tour

[notin]

I'm still young at heart. f*** Grady Little.

 

I can’t blame Grady.

 

That bullpen was horrific that year. I get wanting and needing to squeeze as much Pedro as you can out of the guy…

[moonslav59]

I can’t blame Grady.

 

That bullpen was horrific that year. I get wanting and needing to squeeze as much Pedro as you can out of the guy…

 

I can't blame Grady, and never did.

 

Pedro out of gas is still better than almost anyone else.

[sk7326]

I can’t blame Grady.

 

That bullpen was horrific that year. I get wanting and needing to squeeze as much Pedro as you can out of the guy…

 

I can see that - but Scott Williamson was very good in the postseason up to that point. And Grady had a lot of wiggle room with a 3 run lead.

[moonslav59]

I can see that - but Scott Williamson was very good in the postseason up to that point. And Grady had a lot of wiggle room with a 3 run lead.

 

There were certainly reasons to pull Pedro, but to me it was Pedro freaking Martinez, and we lost on a bloop hit.

 

I know all the talk on Pedro thinking his day was over. I get it.

 

We'll never know what might have happened had they yanked Pedro. We know what happened leaving him in.

[mvp 78]

I can’t blame Grady.

 

That bullpen was horrific that year. I get wanting and needing to squeeze as much Pedro as you can out of the guy…

 

Embree, Lowe, Timlin, Arroyo and Williamson all were pitching great out of the pen that postseason. You're misremembering how good that pen was at the time.

[mvp 78]

I can see that - but Scott Williamson was very good in the postseason up to that point. And Grady had a lot of wiggle room with a 3 run lead.

 

Timlin, Embree and Williamson all gave up 0 runs that postseason. You needed six outs and had 3 other very capable guys to do it.

[mvp 78]

There were certainly reasons to pull Pedro, but to me it was Pedro freaking Martinez, and we lost on a bloop hit.

 

I know all the talk on Pedro thinking his day was over. I get it.

 

We'll never know what might have happened had they yanked Pedro. We know what happened leaving him in.

 

"Lost on a bloop."

 

Nick Johnson pops out to SS.

Jeter 2B to RF

Bernie 1B to CF

Matsui Groundrule 2B

Posada 2B to CF

 

Embree comes in and gets an out, 0 R. Timlin comes in and gets 4 outs, 0 R. Seems like they should have gone to the pen?

[moonslav59]

"Lost on a bloop."

 

Nick Johnson pops out to SS.

Jeter 2B to RF

Bernie 1B to CF

Matsui Groundrule 2B

Posada 2B to CF

 

Embree comes in and gets an out, 0 R. Timlin comes in and gets 4 outs, 0 R. Seems like they should have gone to the pen?

 

Yes, a total bloop his by Posada to bring in the 4th and 5th runs to tie the game.

 

Scroll to 9:30 of this video, then get back to me...

 

[mvp 78]

Yes, a total bloop his by Posada to bring in the 4th and 5th runs to tie the game.

 

Scroll to 9:30 of this video, then get back to me...

 

 

That ignores Jeter hammering that ball to right, Bernie hitting a liner up the middle and Matsui smoking that ball down the RF line. That was 3 straight hard hit balls before Posada came up.

[dgalehouse]

It is all second guessing. But Pedro did seem to want out of there. And even the finest automobile will not run if it is out of gas.

[Dipre]

A black mark on this ownership group for sure.

 

This is, in my book, the single most infuriating thing this ownership has ever done, including the Mookie debacle.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

In a TV interview years later about Game 7 in '03, Pedro said he was told his day was done, but Little came up to him after the 7th and asked if he could just get one more out: Nick Johnson, who would lead off the 8th. He did... then Little froze.

 

Of course, this could be yet another case of a Red Sox player misremembering moments of conflict: Clemens in Game 6 in '86, Betts in the offseason after 2019, Sale falling off a stationary bike into a big screen TV...

[Bellhorn04]

In a TV interview years later about Game 7 in '03, Pedro said he was told his day was done, but Little came up to him after the 7th and asked if he could just get one more out: Nick Johnson, who would lead off the 8th. He did... then Little froze.

 

Of course, this could be yet another case of a Red Sox player misremembering moments of conflict: Clemens in Game 6 in '86, Betts in the offseason after 2019, Sale falling off a stationary bike into a big screen TV...

 

Pedro also did the heavenward look coming off the field after the 7th.

[mvp 78]

It is all second guessing. But Pedro did seem to want out of there. And even the finest automobile will not run if it is out of gas.

 

It seemed obvious to me and the people I was watching the game with that he was done after 7. We were shocked when he came out again.

[mvp 78]

This is, in my book, the single most infuriating thing this ownership has ever done, including the Mookie debacle.

 

It was wild.

[moonslav59]

That ignores Jeter hammering that ball to right, Bernie hitting a liner up the middle and Matsui smoking that ball down the RF line. That was 3 straight hard hit balls before Posada came up.

 

I didn't ignore it. We all know what happened. I just pointed out they tied (won) the game (in part) due to a bloop hit.

 

You questioned Posada's "bloop" hit, then changed the subject.

[moonslav59]

It is all second guessing. But Pedro did seem to want out of there. And even the finest automobile will not run if it is out of gas.

 

Certainly, a reasonable position to hold.

[sk7326]

There were certainly reasons to pull Pedro, but to me it was Pedro freaking Martinez, and we lost on a bloop hit.

 

I know all the talk on Pedro thinking his day was over. I get it.

 

We'll never know what might have happened had they yanked Pedro. We know what happened leaving him in.

 

the other thing was that it was not the first time Grady left him in too long in a deciding game THAT POSTSEASON. It happened against the A's in the ALDS.