Bloom fired

[moonslav59]

One of Bloom's important roles was as a spokesperson for the organization - for better or worse - and he was fairly poor there.

 

His firing was not some wild miscarriage of justice - but it definitely had a lot of PR impetus behind it. Since Epstein left, ownership has lurched between extreme visions of the big league club which included creating a juggernaut built to win now vs a near Dalai Lama-like eschewing of top of the market players. They have not had that sort of near/far term view together since Epstein (and to a certain degree) Cherington were there.

 

Bloom was hired to bring Tampa North I suppose - but "Tampa with money" is what the Dodgers do - and the Red Sox seem allergic to large aspects of that. Bloom did a nice job restocking the farm with position players - and honestly some of them might need to move to boost pitching. The cupboard is not bare for the next guy - but Henry has to trust him and not spend so much time focused on what talk radio says.

 

Obviously former South Shore League All-Star Mike Hazen would be the top choice (I am dismissing Epstein wanting to run a team again). But Sawadye or McLeod from Arizona would be good fits also. Getting Chernoff from Cleveland is intriguing - they clearly are the role model for developing pitching industrywide.

 

I remember thinking similarly, when we brought in Dan D from Montreal.

 

Niether worked out too well, but both built up a semi-solid foundation.

[moonslav59]

I’m sure you will defend, and support the next HOBO as vigorously as you have Bloom. I know I will.

 

You keep confusing my pointing out where you misplace your criticism on Bloom as support, no matter how many times I tell you my position.

[Old Red]

Happier than if we made the playoffs, it seems.

 

A much needed breath of fresh air, and a new beginning.

[moonslav59]

A much needed breath of fresh air, and a new beginning.

 

So, I was right, all along, despite my apologies for jumping to what turned out to be thr right conclusion.

 

[a700hitter]

Happier than if we made the playoffs, it seems.

You are the last person who should be preaching about making false assumptions and accusations.

[moonslav59]

You are the last person who should be preaching about making false assumptions and accusations.

 

So, Red is not giddy?

[a700hitter]

So, Red is not giddy?

He can be giddy, but you have assumed that he is happier than if the Red Sox were in the playoffs. Do you know that? Hypocrite.

[Old Red]

You keep confusing my pointing out where you misplace your criticism on Bloom as support, no matter how many times I tell you my position.

 

I know your position pretty damm well. You have criticized Bloom many times. You have defended Bloom many times, and you have made excuses for Bloom many times. Anything I missed?

[moonslav59]

He can be giddy, but you have assumed that he is happier than if the Red Sox were in the playoffs. Do you know that? Hypocrite.

 

I know it as much as he "knows" I'm a Bloom supporter" and "won't get over" his firing. (You won't ever talk about that.)

 

IMO, Red care more about being right that the Sox winning. He keeps taking "eye test" even after admitting he no longer watches the games.

 

You have his back. Good for you!

[Old Red]

You are the last person who should be preaching about making false assumptions and accusations.

 

He always sees things that nobody else sees right, or wrong, which is most of the time. It’s not a gift, but a curse.

[moonslav59]

I know your position pretty damm well. You have criticized Bloom many times. You have defended Bloom many times, and you have made excuses for Bloom many times. Anything I missed?

 

Yes, you missed it again. It's not defending him, when you add context or point out others are more to blame or might be. You see it as being a "supporter," and you are wrong- again. It doesn't matter how many times I tell you my position. You just want to believe it is something else.

 

Saying he had a slashed budget in 2020 and 2021 is not defending him. He still made too many blunders. It wasn't the only reason we sucked in 2020.

[Old Red]

I know it as much as he "knows" I'm a Bloom supporter" and "won't get over" his firing. (You won't ever talk about that.)

 

IMO, Red care more about being right that the Sox winning. He keeps taking "eye test" even after admitting he no longer watches the games.

 

You have his back. Good for you!

I’m back to watching the games starting today. A new beginning has begun.

[moonslav59]

He always sees things that nobody else sees right, or wrong, which is most of the time. It’s not a gift, but a curse.

 

This is precious. "He always...." "Nobody else sees..."

 

Classic.

 

I see you misrepresent my positions over and over and then think it is a gift? priceless.

[a700hitter]

I know it as much as he "knows" I'm a Bloom supporter" and "won't get over" his firing. (You won't ever talk about that.)

 

IMO, Red care more about being right that the Sox winning. He keeps taking "eye test" even after admitting he no longer watches the games.

 

You have his back. Good for you!

You accused me of false assumptions and accusations. He did not. In that regard, I am pointing out your blatant hypocrisy.

[Old Red]

Yes, you missed it again. It's not defending him, when you add context or point out others are more to blame or might be. You see it as being a "supporter," and you are wrong- again. It doesn't matter how many times I tell you my position. You just want to believe it is something else.

 

Saying he had a slashed budget in 2020 and 2021 is not defending him. He still made too many blunders. It wasn't the only reason we sucked in 2020.

Your context most of the time is how you see things, and interpret them.

[moonslav59]

I’m back to watching the games starting today. A new beginning has begun.

 

So, was it about Bloom or the league being watered down?

 

I don't expect a straight answer.

[Old Red]

This is precious. "He always...." "Nobody else sees..."

 

Classic.

 

I see you misrepresent my positions over and over and then think it is a gift? priceless.

I know it’s been a rough day for you between haggling with others, and Bloom getting the broom, so I’ll sign off, and get ready for the hurricane. I just hope you don’t take as long to get over Bloom as the time I’ve had to endure his tenure.

[moonslav59]

Your context most of the time is how you see things, and interpret them.

 

Here is one example: You say, "Bloom could have done better than Dugo, Wong and Downs" for Betts & half-Price. I brought up the fact that the only other reported offer was from the Padres and nobody else wanted Price.

 

That is not defending Bloom in any sense. It's providing context to the choices he had, at the time.

 

You then claimed "everyone" graded the trade as an "F," and I found multiple sources that did not. You never retracted your statement. Again, I could care less about what they graded the trade, and it wasn't "defending" Bloom. It was giving facts that you were getting wrong.

 

You then internalize that I am a "Bloom supporter." It does not matter that I tell you I am not. You know me better than I do, and then cry when someone assumes something like you hate Cora and shortly afterwards apologizes for it.

[moonslav59]

I know it’s been a rough day for you between haggling with others, and Bloom getting the broom, so I’ll sign off, and get ready for the hurricane. I just hope you don’t take as long to get over Bloom as the time I’ve had to endure his tenure.

 

Showing again, you know squat.

 

It's all one way with you.

[Elktonnick]

Showing again, you know squat.

 

It's all one way with you.

Self description

[moonslav59]

Self description

 

I'm glad you realized that about yourself.

[mvp 78]

[Elktonnick]

I'm glad you realized that about yourself.

 

Now you are reduced to the retorts of a 6 year old

You used to be able to do better than that

How disappointing!

[jacksonianmarch]

@PeteAbe

A few potential Red Sox candidates off the top of my head: James Click, Sig Mejdal (Orioles), Sam Fuld (Phillies), James Harris (Guardians), Ben Sestanovich (Braves).

 

Click, Fuld and Sestanovich are maybes for me.

 

Sam Fuld is from New England. I played against him in AAU ball. Guy was a stud

[mvp 78]

Sam Fuld is from New England. I played against him in AAU ball. Guy was a stud

 

And he's learning on DD right now. Mr Deals himself!

[sk7326]

I remember thinking similarly, when we brought in Dan D from Montreal.

 

Niether worked out too well, but both built up a semi-solid foundation.

 

Duquette landed one of the greatest players in Sox history. The team was legitimately competitive - he went crazy in 2001 like everyone else apparently.

[sk7326]

Olney speculates moving Cora upstairs might make sense also - he has a very broad range of experience clearly.

[sk7326]

I'd also think - with his kids grown up, and the team moving pretty soon that you might as well shoot your shot with Billy Beane again.

[mvp 78]

@ChrisFigz_

At what point do we need to worry about the Red Sox not being desirable for GM’s and potential CBO’s. Since Epstein it’s felt like FSG doesn’t provide them any job security, even if you seemingly do what was asked of you

 

4 years isn't enough job security??? WTF? People online are wild.

 

@redsoxstats

Incredibly pathetic, shameful s***

 

@SavageSports_

Set up to fail. Embarrassing from the ownership group.

 

@LocksBerry

We have no direction now

 

@Benson_Elliot

He was put in an impossible situation. No farm system, forced to trade Mookie, and a front office that refused to spend money

 

@ColeyMick

Can’t believe he didn’t stack rings under these circumstances. Unfathomable to this man

 

@fpsFoley

It’s insane that Chaim is getting blamed for the team’s results when ownership hogtied him and threw him in the pool and got mad when he couldn’t swim

 

@cclowes3

He got fired for doing the exact job he was hired to do

 

LOL. Some people shouldn't be allowed to drive or dress themselves. Truly psychotic posting. I rooted for Chaim to succeed because I wanted the Sox to succeed. It was clear that he couldn't build a rotation. Are people fans of the Red Sox or fans of the CBO? Wild...

[mvp 78]

I'd also think - with his kids grown up, and the team moving pretty soon that you might as well shoot your shot with Billy Beane again.

 

Overrated as hell.