Trade Deadline 2023

[notin]

Some team will want him at min salary.

 

They just won’t give us anything of value.

 

As a bench option/supersub, Hernandez has value in Boston…

[moonslav59]

As a bench option/supersub, Hernandez has value in Boston…

 

We do t need aCFer anymore, or a RHd OFer.

 

2B is always scary withArroyo and his IL dances, but Reyes is about ready.

 

When Story returns, I’d keep Arroyo and Reyes over Kike.

[notin]

We do t need aCFer anymore, or a RHd OFer.

 

2B is always scary withArroyo and his IL dances, but Reyes is about ready.

 

When Story returns, I’d keep Arroyo and Reyes over Kike.

 

So is Arroyo the only player on the Sox allowed to go on the IL?

 

If Duran goes down, who is the better option in CF - Hernandez or Duvall?

[moonslav59]

So is Arroyo the only player on the Sox allowed to go on the IL?

 

If Duran goes down, who is the better option in CF - Hernandez or Duvall?

 

Duvall by a long shot.

 

My point about Arroyo being on the IL a lot was a point for keeping Kike. I’m not sure what you are getting at, there.

[notin]

Duvall by a long shot.

 

My point about Arroyo being on the IL a lot was a point for keeping Kike. I’m not sure what you are getting at, there.

 

As a CF, Kike is light years in front of Duvall, who in turn is light years ahead of Refsnyder.

 

Kike is the best option to back up Duran in CF…

[moonslav59]

As a CF, Kike is light years in front of Duvall, who in turn is light years ahead of Refsnyder.

 

Kike is the best option to back up Duran in CF…

 

You must be looking just D.

 

I’m not arguing he has no value but you’d really keep Kike over Duvall and Ref over just his D and flex ?

[notin]

You must be looking just D.

 

I’m not arguing he has no value but you’d really keep Kike over Duvall and Ref over just his D and flex ?

 

I think Kike’s D in CF is enough of a game changer it supersedes the entirety of what Duvall and Refsnyder bring to the table…

[moonslav59]

I think Kike’s D in CF is enough of a game changer it supersedes the entirety of what Duvall and Refsnyder bring to the table…

 

Fair enough. I e suggested trading Duvall, but if not, I’d take him over Kike

[Bellhorn04]

I think Kike’s D in CF is enough of a game changer it supersedes the entirety of what Duvall and Refsnyder bring to the table…

 

Kike seems to have reached the point that no amount of D can overcome the bad O, just as happened with JBJ. The only possible value a guy like that has is as a late inning defensive replacement.

[notin]

Kike seems to have reached the point that no amount of D can overcome the bad O, just as happened with JBJ. The only possible value a guy like that has is as a late inning defensive replacement.

 

… or a weak side platoon option…

[notin]

Fair enough. I e suggested trading Duvall, but if not, I’d take him over Kike

 

Now if the Sox do need a full time SS over Chang/Reyes, maybe it really is Ceddane Rafaela time. CF in Boston is looking less and less likely for his future with every Duran start…

[Dojji]

They need to sell. The window is just cracking open now. But if we roll the value forward into the next 2-3 years, it will open wider then, at the cost of maybe a wild card now. That's a decision you make every single time if you've got eyes on the prize.

 

We need to sell 1, maybe 2 of these outfielders. Not Yoshida, but if we can find homes for Refsnyder and Duran we almost have to.

[Hugh2]

They need to sell. The window is just cracking open now. But if we roll the value forward into the next 2-3 years, it will open wider then, at the cost of maybe a wild card now. That's a decision you make every single time if you've got eyes on the prize.

 

We need to sell 1, maybe 2 of these outfielders. Not Yoshida, but if we can find homes for Refsnyder and Duran we almost have to.

 

Duran is under team control for 5 years why would you sell him? Verdugo is the outfielder you sell if you’re sellers

[Hugh2]

Now if the Sox do need a full time SS over Chang/Reyes, maybe it really is Ceddane Rafaela time. CF in Boston is looking less and less likely for his future with every Duran start…

 

Why? Chang at SS seems to set the defense, they’ve been excellent with him there. And Duran has evolved into an average center fielder putting much higher floor on him. He also could be still getting better there

[Dojji]

All Chang needs to do is float around the mendoza line. That glove returns plenty of value on its own.

[Dojji]

Duran is under team control for 5 years why would you sell him

 

Don't trust him. Guy is BABIP personified. Strikes out in 1/4 of his PAs. Low contact guys aren't gonna hit .319 very often. It's like that one (1) good year that JBJ somehow managed to have. Dude's a fluke, if you can get someone to buy the hype you do.

 

Oh and JBJ made better contact than Duran does.

Edited July 16, 2023 by Dojji

[Hugh2]

Don't trust him. Guy is BABIP personified. Strikes out in 1/4 of his PAs. Low contact guys aren't gonna hit .319 very often. It's like that one (1) good year that JBJ somehow managed to have. Dude's a fluke, if you can get someone to buy the hype you do.

 

Oh and JBJ made better contact than Duran does.

 

Guys who make hard contact and have speed often have higher BABIPs.

 

Also, his defense gives him a higher floor. I don’t trust him to be an all star level player, but I trust him to be an average CF who can get hot at times for the league minimum

[Dojji]

If all you want is .725-.750 with good D, Duran might get you there. But there may be an opportunity to sell high here and it should probably be looked at.

[Hugh2]

If all you want is .725-.750 with good D, Duran might get you there. But there may be an opportunity to sell high here and it should probably be looked at.

 

Striking out 1/4 of the time alone isn’t a huge concern, a lot of power hitters do that. He makes really hard contact and has good plate discipline. I’m not worried.

 

You could be selling high, he could also still be getting better too. He’s so young, and we have no certainty in our outfield into the future.

[illinoisredsox]

They need to sell. The window is just cracking open now. But if we roll the value forward into the next 2-3 years, it will open wider then, at the cost of maybe a wild card now. That's a decision you make every single time if you've got eyes on the prize.

 

We need to sell 1, maybe 2 of these outfielders. Not Yoshida, but if we can find homes for Refsnyder and Duran we almost have to.

 

Refsnyder is fine for the role he plays, back up outfielder. Who fills that role if he's traded? The guys in the minors need to play every day, not sit on the bench in Boston.

[Bellhorn04]

Refsnyder isn't going anywhere. He's under contract for next year.

[illinoisredsox]

Striking out 1/4 of the time alone isn’t a huge concern, a lot of power hitters do that. He makes really hard contact and has good plate discipline. I’m not worried.

 

You could be selling high, he could also still be getting better too. He’s so young, and we have no certainty in our outfield into the future.

 

He's not that young; he'll be 27 in September.

 

I do agree Verdugo may be the one to go if they decide to be sellers. He will get you the most bang for the buck. The issue is, he likes Boston, and those guys are often hard to find.

[Hugh2]

He's not that young; he'll be 27 in September.

 

Right, so you don’t extend that guy. You take your 6 years of team control and call it a day. But I do think his defense could still be improving.

[notin]

Why? Chang at SS seems to set the defense, they’ve been excellent with him there. And Duran has evolved into an average center fielder putting much higher floor on him. He also could be still getting better there

 

I think Rafaela can equal Chang defensively with potential for better offense.

 

And like I said, it’s not looking like CF is waiting for him…

[notin]

He's not that young; he'll be 27 in September.

 

I do agree Verdugo may be the one to go if they decide to be sellers. He will get you the most bang for the buck. The issue is, he likes Boston, and those guys are often hard to find.

 

Absolutely Verdugo over Duran.

 

The main reason to move Duran now, however, is he should command a better return. But I play it safe and move the guy with less control…

[illinoisredsox]

Refsnyder isn't going anywhere. He's under contract for next year.

 

Relatively cheaply as well (around $2M IIRC).

[Bellhorn04]

Relatively cheaply as well (around $2M IIRC).

 

Correct. There's also a team option for 2025.

[notin]

Refsnyder is fine for the role he plays, back up outfielder. Who fills that role if he's traded? The guys in the minors need to play every day, not sit on the bench in Boston.

 

The Sox like Refsnyder for his OBP, his ability to hit LHP, and his dirt cheap salary.

 

But if he gets traded, they won’t struggle to fill that role. Kike and Duvall probably do for the rest of the year. And Worcester has Daniel Palka, Narciso Crook, Bradley Zimmer and Marcus Wilson - not exactly guys whose development needs more attention…

[Bellhorn04]

It would BEHOOVE Chaim Bloom to get us a starting pitcher.

[Hugh2]

It would BEHOOVE Chaim Bloom to get us a starting pitcher.

 

Thinking Sale/Houck will come back and save us is the most Bloom thing ever.

 

I suspect a reliever.