Red Sox Starting Rotation 2023

[mvp 78]

And if CB doesn't do something to seriously upgrade the rotation before 2024, he's an abject failure.

 

He can't possibly go into next season with a bullpen game. There's no way.

 

At this point, I'm not sure Paxton gets a QO either.

 

2024:

Sale

Bello

Houck

Crawford

Pivetta

 

That's really bad if he does nothing. It's Bello, a broken Sale and 3 number 5's. There has to be a FA addition and it better be a good one. Sox don't have any other young pitchers ready to jump into the rotation quite yet (Wikelman 2025, Perales 2026). Gambrell and Drohan may get some time up in BOS next season, but they are most likely more back of the rotation arms.

[Bellhorn04]

To many fans, yes.

 

But again - what was he really hired to do?

 

Again - I'm fairly sure he was not hired with the objective of consistently missing the playoffs.

[moonslav59]

He can't possibly go into next season with a bullpen game. There's no way.

 

At this point, I'm not sure Paxton gets a QO either.

 

2024:

Sale

Bello

Houck

Crawford

Pivetta

 

That's really bad if he does nothing. It's Bello, a broken Sale and 3 number 5's. There has to be a FA addition and it better be a good one. Sox don't have any other young pitchers ready to jump into the rotation quite yet (Wikelman 2025, Perales 2026). Gambrell and Drohan may get some time up in BOS next season, but they are most likely more back of the rotation arms.

 

I'd really like to see us add two quality arms, but even one might be wishful thinking.

 

I'd prefer to see Houck in the pen, and Pivetta or Crawford would be nice, too. What a pen that would be!

[Dipre]

They have to spend this offseaon. This core is about ready offensively, but they need to improve the SP, and there are options.

[moonslav59]

They have to spend this offseaon. This core is about ready offensively, but they need to improve the SP, and there are options.

 

The thing that seems different to me, this time, is that we should not have to spend big at any everyday position.

 

Yes, we will miss Turner, bigtime, but alternating Casas and Yoshida at DH makes sense and improves the D.

 

Yes, we lose Duvall, who has been a spark, recently, but we have Ref from the right side and and two young OF'ers beating down the door in Rafaela and Abreu.

 

We could get by without adding any major everyday players.

 

Who knows what the budget is, but it could all go to the rotation, if we want to do that.

 

(I'll believe it when I see it.)

[Dipre]

We don't have to let Duvall go, but it seems only natural that they make some room for guys who are about ready offensively.

[mvp 78]

They have to spend this offseaon. This core is about ready offensively, but they need to improve the SP, and there are options.

 

Offense - Check!

Pitching - Needs Help!

Defense - Even worse than the pitching!

[mvp 78]

We don't have to let Duvall go, but it seems only natural that they make some room for guys who are about ready offensively.

 

I think they pick one between Adam Duvall and Justin Turner and bring them back. Duvall can play 1B too.

 

They also need to figure out the plan with Verdugo.

[Old Red]

He can't possibly go into next season with a bullpen game. There's no way.

 

At this point, I'm not sure Paxton gets a QO either.

 

2024:

Sale

Bello

Houck

Crawford

Pivetta

 

That's really bad if he does nothing. It's Bello, a broken Sale and 3 number 5's. There has to be a FA addition and it better be a good one. Sox don't have any other young pitchers ready to jump into the rotation quite yet (Wikelman 2025, Perales 2026). Gambrell and Drohan may get some time up in BOS next season, but they are most likely more back of the rotation arms.

You can’t count again on Sale at all. Bello is the most likely out of the bunch to improve, and get better. Houck, and Whit I still like better in the pen. Pivetta is the most likely to show up for every start, and give you innings, but remember why he was taken out of the rotation earlier in the season to begin with. He was better in the pen too. Kut Man has done a decent job, but I don’t see him more than a 4, or 5, and like to see more starts, before he is penciled into the rotation next year.

[Dipre]

Offense - Check!

Pitching - Needs Help!

Defense - Even worse than the pitching!

 

Casas should improve defensively next year, since he had a decent baseline in MiLB per reports. If you assume an OF that includes any combination of Verdugo/Duran/Abreu/Refsnyder, this could be a league average defense

[Bellhorn04]

I think they pick one between Adam Duvall and Justin Turner and bring them back. Duvall can play 1B too.

 

They also need to figure out the plan with Verdugo.

 

Yeah, subtracting both Turner and Duvall doesn't leave much in the way of RH power.

 

Doesn't help that Story looks so brutal at the plate.

[Dipre]

Yeah, subtracting both Turner and Duvall doesn't leave much in the way of RH power.

 

Doesn't help that Story looks so brutal at the plate.

 

Turner could probably find a starting spot at 3B on a contending team with this year's showing for 2024. If I had to guess who they'd keep (although I think both walk), I'd say Duvall.

[mvp 78]

Casas should improve defensively next year, since he had a decent baseline in MiLB per reports. If you assume an OF that includes any combination of Verdugo/Duran/Abreu/Refsnyder, this could be a league average defense

 

Yeah, having Story for a full year should probably make the biggest difference. How much time does Rafaela get in CF? That would help too.

[Old Red]

Yeah, subtracting both Turner and Duvall doesn't leave much in the way of RH power.

 

Doesn't help that Story looks so brutal at the plate.

I keep saying to me bringing Turner back is a must. As for the OF are you confident to pencil in Duran full time? Abreu full time? Rafaela?

[Dipre]

Possible Red Sox rotation targets for 2024:

 

Free Agents:

Yoshinobu Yamamoto

Aaron Nola

Euardo Rodriguez

Michael Lorenzen

Lucas Giolito

Blake Snell

Marcus Stroman (if option not exercised)

 

Possible trade targets:

Paul Blackburn

Shane Bieber

Mike Clevinger (option likely to be exercised)

[moonslav59]

I keep saying to me bringing Turner back is a must. As for the OF are you confident to pencil in Duran full time? Abreu full time? Rafaela?

 

I'd love to bring Turner back, but I doubt we do.

 

Yoshida should DH, and Casas might be better suited to DH, as well, but he can improve.

 

I'm not thrilled about penciling in Duran FT, but a platoon with ref in LF should be fine.

 

Rafaela, Abreu and Dugo in CF/RF should be okay, too, and with Yoshida as DH who can play LF, I don't think we add an OF'er or bring back Duvall.

 

C: Wong & McGuire (Scott in AAA) Teel on the rise

1B: Casas (Dalbec in AAA) EValdez, Jordan and Kavadas as deeper depth

2B: Urias and Reyes (DHam, EValdez and Bonaci in AAA) Torke on the rise

SS: Story w Reyes and Urias as ML depth (DHam and Bonaci in AAA) Mayer on the rise

3B: Devers with Urias as ML depth (Meidroth in AAA)

LF: Duran & ref platoon w Yoshida s ML depth (Rosier in AAA but not on 40.)

CF: Rafaela/Abreu with Duran as ML depth and Anthony/Bleis on the rise

RF: Dugo and Abreu with Ref as ML depth

DH: Yoshida with Casas or EValdez/Duran/Ref as depth (Dalbec in AAA)

[moonslav59]

Possible Red Sox rotation targets for 2024:

 

Free Agents:

Yoshinobu Yamamoto

Aaron Nola

Euardo Rodriguez

Michael Lorenzen

Lucas Giolito

Blake Snell

Marcus Stroman (if option not exercised)

 

Possible trade targets:

Paul Blackburn

Shane Bieber

Mike Clevinger (option likely to be exercised)

 

No Urias?)

[Dipre]

No Urias?)

 

He's going to want a ton of money with a very bad, no good platform year, declining velo , low BABIP, and high fly/LD rate. Good K rate though.

[Duran Is The Man]

He's going to want a ton of money with a very bad, no good platform year, declining velo , low BABIP, and high fly/LD rate. Good K rate though.

 

gawd forbird JH would actually have to spend some money. it's not like he's a billionaire or anything.

[moonslav59]

He's going to want a ton of money with a very bad, no good platform year, declining velo , low BABIP, and high fly/LD rate. Good K rate though.

 

He still seems better than many of your list.

[Dipre]

gawd forbird JH would actually have to spend some money. it's not like he's a billionaire or anything.

 

Not the point at all. Why overpay for Urías when there are better options?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It... it just... it has to make sense.

[Dipre]

He still seems better than many of your list.

 

The loss of velo and high FB rate are scary, specially at Fenway. He's also, to me, a bigger injury risk than most pitchers from stuff I've seen about his mechanics. It's just a rudimentary list though.

[moonslav59]

Not the point at all. Why overpay for Urías when there are better options?

 

Age should be a big factor, and to me, it is worth overpaying for a 28 year old vs 30 or 31.

[moonslav59]

ERA- in 2023

4. Snell 63

7. Wacha 69

17. ERod 75

38. Lorenzen 85

45. Paxton 87

50. Stroman 89

67. Nola 98

77. Giolito 102

79 Urias 103

 

2021-2023

6. Urias 73

19. Stroman 83

21. Snell 85

32. Nola 95

 

fWAR '21-'23

4. Nola 13.8

15. Urias 9.8

29. Snell8.5

 

[Old Red]

I'd love to bring Turner back, but I doubt we do.

 

Yoshida should DH, and Casas might be better suited to DH, as well, but he can improve.

 

I'm not thrilled about penciling in Duran FT, but a platoon with ref in LF should be fine.

 

Rafaela, Abreu and Dugo in CF/RF should be okay, too, and with Yoshida as DH who can play LF, I don't think we add an OF'er or bring back Duvall.

 

C: Wong & McGuire (Scott in AAA) Teel on the rise

1B: Casas (Dalbec in AAA) EValdez, Jordan and Kavadas as deeper depth

2B: Urias and Reyes (DHam, EValdez and Bonaci in AAA) Torke on the rise

SS: Story w Reyes and Urias as ML depth (DHam and Bonaci in AAA) Mayer on the rise

3B: Devers with Urias as ML depth (Meidroth in AAA)

LF: Duran & ref platoon w Yoshida s ML depth (Rosier in AAA but not on 40.)

CF: Rafaela/Abreu with Duran as ML depth and Anthony/Bleis on the rise

RF: Dugo and Abreu with Ref as ML depth

DH: Yoshida with Casas or EValdez/Duran/Ref as depth (Dalbec in AAA)

Bringing back Duvall, or JT I believe will take at least a 2 yr deal, and then what do you do with Dugy. Outside of the starting rotation what happens in the OF, and DH next year will be a major issue to decide.

[moonslav59]

Bringing back Duvall, or JT I believe will take at least a 2 yr deal, and then what do you do with Dugy. Outside of the starting rotation what happens in the OF, and DH next year will be a major issue to decide.

 

We won't spend all or 90% of the budget on the rotation, so I do think we address replacing one of these big RH'd bats, but to me the rotation is the first, second and third priority.

 

I don't think spending pretty big on a two year deal will have the same impact as spending more on pitching- not that spending on pitching is ever a sure bet.

[mvp 78]

Sorry, best I can do is one starter and 3 DH’s! - Chaim

[moonslav59]

Sorry, best I can do is one starter and 3 DH’s! - Chaim

 

LOL.

 

Duvall is a better defender than Duran, Ref and Yoshida- maybe Dugo, too.

 

Turner can back up 1B and 3B, but I get the point.

 

Give me two solid SP'ers and nothing else, and we'll be better than 1 SP and _____.

[mvp 78]

LOL.

 

Duvall is a better defender than Duran, Ref and Yoshida- maybe Dugo, too.

 

Turner can back up 1B and 3B, but I get the point.

 

Give me two solid SP'ers and nothing else, and we'll be better than 1 SP and _____.

 

No, it’ll be some out of the box ******** that you will try to tie yourself in knots to justify at some point.