Yankees 2023 Season Thread

[Bellhorn04]

HOU has lost 3 from their rotation, almost all year:

GS

0 McCullers

6 Garcia

8 Urquidy

 

BOS has lost a ton of GS'd, but it's hard to put a number to it, because we don't know who our original 5 would have been. (Sale 12, Paxton 15, Kluber 9, Paxton 11, Whitlock 10)

 

The Rays have had horrendous losses in the rotation too. Springs, Rasmussen and now McClanahan.

[moonslav59]

The Rays have had horrendous losses in the rotation too. Springs, Rasmussen and now McClanahan.

 

Indeed, but the Yankee injuries seemed more predictable.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yankees injuries have destroyed their chances of sneaking into the playoffs, but their core issue is rot. The team got old in a season. Every producer who was killing it during the 99 win 02 campaign has taken a step back. We added a rookie who probably needed a half season in AAA. We did not add anyone of impact on offense and once Judge got hurt, the house of cards collapsed. The icing on the cake is losing Montas, Cortes, Rodon and having Sevy turn into a pinata. Their fall will be big. They will likely finish well under .500 for the first time in 31 years. They can jettison some cash this offseason with Sevy, Donaldson, Montas, Bader, and IKF all pretty easy candidates to walk. That puts $55 mil back into the coffers. They have some young kids who for some reason have gotten zero run with the big league club. I would have Wells at 1b and Pereira in LF ASAP. Why not. I would find a way to work Cabrera in more to try and see if he can shake off a horrible 2023. I would start Peraza every day as well. I'd moth ball Cole by mid September and get him ready for next year. Don't even both bringing back Rodon this year. Make sure he is ready for 24. We will need him. Same with Cortes. You still have Stanton and DJ. I said at the beginning of the year that DJ cannot be leaned on to be a full time player and that turned out to be correct. He has been pressed into daily duty with Donaldson being hurt and he just can't do it anymore. He goes into the super sub role. Stanton is a candidate for DFA or a heavily financed trade to see if a change of scenery would help. Either way, this has been a complete and utter unmitigated disaster of a season and it should teach Hal a lesson. The Yankees cannot become irrelevant. The fans will stop coming. The cash cow will not continue to roll out millions in revenue if the team isn't good

[moonslav59]

Yankees injuries have destroyed their chances of sneaking into the playoffs, but their core issue is rot. The team got old in a season. Every producer who was killing it during the 99 win 02 campaign has taken a step back. We added a rookie who probably needed a half season in AAA. We did not add anyone of impact on offense and once Judge got hurt, the house of cards collapsed. The icing on the cake is losing Montas, Cortes, Rodon and having Sevy turn into a pinata. Their fall will be big. They will likely finish well under .500 for the first time in 31 years. They can jettison some cash this offseason with Sevy, Donaldson, Montas, Bader, and IKF all pretty easy candidates to walk. That puts $55 mil back into the coffers. They have some young kids who for some reason have gotten zero run with the big league club. I would have Wells at 1b and Pereira in LF ASAP. Why not. I would find a way to work Cabrera in more to try and see if he can shake off a horrible 2023. I would start Peraza every day as well. I'd moth ball Cole by mid September and get him ready for next year. Don't even both bringing back Rodon this year. Make sure he is ready for 24. We will need him. Same with Cortes. You still have Stanton and DJ. I said at the beginning of the year that DJ cannot be leaned on to be a full time player and that turned out to be correct. He has been pressed into daily duty with Donaldson being hurt and he just can't do it anymore. He goes into the super sub role. Stanton is a candidate for DFA or a heavily financed trade to see if a change of scenery would help. Either way, this has been a complete and utter unmitigated disaster of a season and it should teach Hal a lesson. The Yankees cannot become irrelevant. The fans will stop coming. The cash cow will not continue to roll out millions in revenue if the team isn't good

 

Fair enough, but the aging was showing signs before this year.

 

Some aged players overperformed last year, but that should not have been expected to continue.

[jacksonianmarch]

They showed cracks after the ASB last year but they also started resting players and coasted most of the second half. Hard to look at that and consider it a trend

[moonslav59]

They showed cracks after the ASB last year but they also started resting players and coasted most of the second half. Hard to look at that and consider it a trend

 

LeMahieu was a big part of your team's success before 2022, and he showed serious decline at age 33.

 

Stanton was 32 and hit .759.

 

Rizzo went from .924 at age 29, then .755 and .783. He bounces up to .817 in '22 and you think that's the real Rizzo?

 

Donaldson is not only 100, he;s a dick.

 

Judge was still in prime, this year, but nobody did or should have expected a repeat of '22.

 

Torres is hittin .760, which is about his previous 3 year average.

 

High hopes for Bader or Volpe?

 

Sorry, but the O woes was predictable.

 

On the pitching: no doubt, you guys looked good on paper, but paper assume health, and I remember we argued about Rodon's health ve Sale and Paxton, and you would have nothing to do with the idea of him being injury prone.

 

Hoping on Sevy was no better than our hopes on Sale and Paxton.

 

Injuries certainly hurt your chances, this year, but you guys keep adding injury prone players, so much of it should have been expected, or at least a big chunk of some.

[jacksonianmarch]

Offensive woes were definitely predictable, but the drop off from last year to this one is stunning

[bkzwhitestrican]

Been a long time since I felt hopeless about a Yankee season. They just look like they're waiting for the season to be over. And this is AFTER they had a team meeting Saturday morning before then getting pasted for like a 6th straight game. Only way this season is still interesting is if they call up some of the kids (Pereira/Peraza/Wells/Florial/Beeter). Man what a s*** year for them.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Been a long time since I felt hopeless about a Yankee season. They just look like they're waiting for the season to be over. And this is AFTER they had a team meeting Saturday morning before then getting pasted for like a 6th straight game. Only way this season is still interesting is if they call up some of the kids (Pereira/Peraza/Wells/Florial/Beeter). Man what a s*** year for them.

 

Well, the Yankee fans who post about their own team on a Red Sox forum are usually realistic in tough times. You know your club's ownership will not accept losing or last place just to get higher draft picks, nor will fear dealing prospects in efforts to improve the MLB team... and they'll eventually make changes at the top to prove it to the fanbase.

 

As for promoting youngsters to get a taste and generate hope for the future, the Yanks don't worry about ruining some kid's psyche... and there are plenty of cases where ballplayers who began careers in New York went on to achieve stardom in other cities. As for what-have-you-got-to-lose -- it starts with attendance, because let's face it, this latest Yankee Stadium in the Bronx isn't quite the tourist attraction of Friendly Fenway, where no matter the standings, they'll tell you at every game that good times seem so-good, so-good...

[moonslav59]

Offensive woes were definitely predictable, but the drop off from last year to this one is stunning

 

The big killer was Judge, although an injury to him should not have been "stunning.

 

fWAR '22>'23

11.5>3.5 Judge (looks stunning but the injury was not shocking)

3.7> 0.9 Trevino (a big drop, but did you really have high expectations, here?)

3.0> 0.5 LeMahieu (I don't really see this as stunning, due to his age and trend)

2.8> 1.9 Torres (pretty close and certainly not a stunning drop)

2.4> 0.8 Rizzo (This is not far from expectations)

1.2> -0.4 Stanton (This one hurts but not totally unexpected)

2.3> 0.0 Carpenter (You expected this repeated?)

1.7> 0.0 Higgy (a drop)

1.6> 0.0 Donaldson (Totally expected)

1.4 IKF>1.7 Volpe (an improvement)

1.4 Hicks>1.6 Bader (an improvement)

1.5>- 0.6 OCab

0.3 Gallo>-0.4 McKinney (meh)

 

Team 2022>2023

.241>.230 BA (.276>.266 BAbip)

.325>.305 OBP

.426>.399 SLG

.751>.703 OPS

[dgalehouse]

I don't know why the Yanks don't just terminate Boone right now. He is dead man walking. All he can do is say the same tired platitudes after every loss. It is obvious that the players, except for Judge and a couple of others, have quit on him. There is no sense letting him suffer.

[moonslav59]

I don't know why the Yanks don't just terminate Boone right now. He is dead man walking. All he can do is say the same tired platitudes after every loss. It is obvious that the players, except for Judge and a couple of others, have quit on him. There is no sense letting him suffer.

 

The player suck and would likely do no better with another manager.

 

That being said, Boone and Cashman both suck, and I hope they remain in control for many more years to come.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

Craziest thing now is that there is so much parity, the Yanks may sneak into a top 10 pick. These are protected from dropping back 10 spots. They are currently 12th. Mets, SD, Cleveland and Washington are within 4 games and they all look to be doing better than this shitshow team.

[moonslav59]

Craziest thing now is that there is so much parity, the Yanks may sneak into a top 10 pick. These are protected from dropping back 10 spots. They are currently 12th. Mets, SD, Cleveland and Washington are within 4 games and they all look to be doing better than this shitshow team.

 

Maybe this is the real reason they met with Boone.

[jacksonianmarch]

Who knows. I can tell you this, the Yanks cannot tolerate being this bad. This offseason, they almost have to get Ohtani now

[moonslav59]

Who knows. I can tell you this, the Yanks cannot tolerate being this bad. This offseason, they almost have to get Ohtani now

 

I hope you do.

 

The Judge-Ohtani contracts will strangle you for a decade.

[notin]

The Yankees are a competitive team against everyone but the Red Sox.

 

Vs. Sox 1-10

Vs. Everyone Else 59-54. That’s a .522 winning pct or an 85-77 pace…

[moonslav59]

The Yankees are a competitive team against everyone but the Red Sox.

 

Vs. Sox 1-10

Vs. Everyone Else 59-54. That’s a .522 winning pct or an 85-77 pace…

 

All the more satisfying.

[notin]

I hope you do.

 

The Judge-Ohtani contracts will strangle you for a decade.

 

Coupled with a few other deals, like

 

Stanton - $129mill over 4yrs

Cole - $180mill over 5 yrs

Rodon - $139mill over 5 yrs

[moonslav59]

Coupled with a few other deals, like

 

Stanton - $129mill over 4yrs

Cole - $180mill over 5 yrs

Rodon - $139mill over 5 yrs

 

Is that counting what MIA pays towards Stanton's deal?

[notin]

Is that counting what MIA pays towards Stanton's deal?

 

I believe so, but they’re only paying $20mill of it…

[moonslav59]

I believe so, but they’re only paying $20mill of it…

 

I think it's like $3M a year.

[notin]

I think it's like $3M a year.

 

I guess. But they don’t pay anything until 2026. Apparently if anyone offers him his 2028 team option of $25mill Miami pays $10mill of that, too. That actually increases the likelihood of exercising it, because there is a $10mill buyout in the option ii it’s not exercised, so essentially by paying just that extra $5milo, you get another year of Stanton. That could be bargain…

Edited August 21, 2023 by notin

[Thunder]

The Yankees are a competitive team against everyone but the Red Sox.

 

Vs. Sox 1-10

Vs. Everyone Else 59-54. That’s a .522 winning pct or an 85-77 pace…

 

Only 1-8 against the Sox…

[moonslav59]

Only 1-8 against the Sox…

 

I guess he's looking ahead.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pereira and Peraza coming up and starting. Should be starting Wells at 1b too. No reason to trot out the detritus

[Fan_since_Boggs]

It will be almost impossible to trade Stanton. To start, he stinks, can't run, can't field, and his bat has declined. Stanton got old real fast. He also has a no trade. When the Marlins moved him, Stanton would only accept a trade to the Dodgers or Yankees. I suspect Stanton would still be open to a trade to the Dodgers, he is from that area, but the Yankees would have to pay off most of the contract to move him to the Dodgers and even then the Dodgers may not want him and certainly aren't going to give up anything valuable for this kind of player even if the Yankees pay off his contract. Also, if the Dodgers go hard after Ohtani, as many people expect, they won't have an open DH spot for Stanton.

 

The Yankees have weaknesses everywhere, LF, CF, 3B, 1b, C, and the rookie SS is having all kinds of problems offensively and defensively. The Yankees should begin a rebuild, accept a few down years, and rebuild the farm system. The Orioles are going to be very good over the next few years anyway, much better than the Yankees and the Red Sox are loaded with position player prospects. Once the Red Sox spend some money on the starting rotation, the Yankees won't be able to compete against them either. Might as well accept the reality of the situation and begin a rebuild. It is a bitter pill for Cashman to swallow, since Cole and Judge are signed long term and won't want to be part of a rebuild. By the time the rebuild is over, Cole and Judge will be old declining players.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

Someone will take a swing at Stanton if his cost is bought down. I’m wondering what that number is. $5 mil a year?

 

Yanks farm is good and near prospects are ready. Dominguez, Pereira, Volpe, Wells, Peraza. Volpe is taking his lumps, but he’s proven he belongs. What they need is a robin to Judge’s Batman. They will need to spend there but also replace some of the old, injured detritus on the cheap. They need a catcher badly. Trevino was a flash in the pan and Higgy isn’t a C1. Rizzo was lights out til he got his lights knocked out. He’s a good piece.

 

The Yanks pitching is set to be good. Health was the issue. Pen will be solid and adds Effross again. Cole will return. Cortes and Rodon should be healthy. Schmidt has been really good. German will return. Yanks also in on the Japanese phenom as well.

 

Their issue has been offense. Add a big piece and then add in some youth and they should contend. But when Stanton, Donaldson and Lemahieu are expected to be middle or top of the order bats and they disappear, you’re not gonna contend.

[jacksonianmarch]

There is no way they truly rebuild. They’re not gonna waste the prime years of Judge and Cole trotting our dogshit. Hal is gonna have to open the wallet, but in the end, they need to can the guy who got them into this mess. Rodon’s deal after year 1 looks bad. He may bounce back and probably should, but adding an injury prone starter to an injury prone team was a poor choice. Stanton’s trade went south almost immediately. Lemahieu’s parlayed his last great season into an albatross contract. The Donaldson deal went to s*** as well as Urshela would have been a capable 3b and the guy they got to play SS got the yips

[moonslav59]

Glad to see you finally agreed that Rodon was injury prone.

 

You have a lot of deadwood contracts still in play, but it's almost impossible to dump them. You'd have to pay down big chunks and or add prospects to entice a team to take one.

 

Stanton and LeMahieu jump out at me, but even guys like Torres just don't seem like winners, to me.

 

Other than Judge and Cole, who is really a rock solid young talent you know for sure, you can build around?

 

Maybe Volpe steps up, but he is no sure bet, now.

Michael King?

 

Many of the promising young pitchers you had, last year, took steps backwards:

4.97 Cortes

4.52 Schmidt

4.58 Abreu

4.56 German

Even 3.00 Holmes

 

Looking at the roster, objectively, your team needs a total make-over. Like the Sox, that is almost impossible to imagine.

 

Now, in all honesty, which team, the Sox or the Yanks have a brighter outlook, going forward, assuming neither GM becomes the next Cohen.