Story has surgery

[moonslav59]

Your predictions are always wrong, so you can sit there, and do all the analyzing, and be wrong all the times you want too, and say I gotcha, but in the big scheme of things they mean nothing, but to you. Once again a curse, but nowhere a gift.

 

Doubling and tripling down on this is just digging your hole deeper.

 

I predicted you deny saying an exact quotation I posted from you, and sure enough...

 

If this all only means something to me, why keep the ball rolling?

 

Just put me on ignore, or better yet, just say things you actually mean or own up when you say things you don't mean. Trying to change the meanings of words is not a winning strategy.

[Old Red]

Doubling and tripling down on this is just digging your hole deeper.

 

I predicted you deny saying an exact quotation I posted from you, and sure enough...

 

If this all only means something to me, why keep the ball rolling?

 

Just put me on ignore, or better yet, just say things you actually mean or own up when you say things you don't mean. Trying to change the meanings of words is not a winning strategy.

 

Coming from someone such as yourself that is up to his neck in BROWN town, and has no authority, or jurisdiction all I can say is meh! Remember what I told you before that you are not the Candy Man. The Candy Man can, and you can’t, and that’s the bottom line.

[notin]

Coming from someone such as yourself that is up to his neck in BROWN town, and has no authority, or jurisdiction all I can say is meh! Remember what I told you before that you are not the Candy Man. The Candy Man can, and you can’t, and that’s the bottom line.

 

Are you six?

[illinoisredsox]

There’s an old Star Trek episode (the original series) where at a diplomatic conference, Spock’s father (an ambassador) says to one cantankerous delegate “Tellarites do not argue for reasons, they just argue.”

 

Sort of reminds me of much of this thread.

[moonslav59]

Losing Story really sucks.

 

We were already looking at the need for just about everything to go right, and one of the biggest needed turn arounds is now out for maybe the whole season.

 

Plus, our weakest area was middle infield, before he went down.

 

Looks like an extended snake bite from 2022.

 

 

 

[jacksonianmarch]

I love hearing this from the guy who is like Oh for the last 5 Sox season projections.

 

Last year I nailed it

This year I’ll nail it again.

Sox will be either 4th or 5th in division depending on which team, the Os or Sox, has a 4 leaf clover shoved up their ass. Sox win total best case is low 80s. Worst case, 60-something. This is a poorly constructed team that lost a ton of leadership. Top 2 starters from last year gone in Wacha and Eovaldi. XB and JD gone and now Story down for a significant part of the season.

 

You’re leaning on Crank Yanker as a starting C. Your 1b is a rookie, albeit one with high upside

2b is Kike? Not exactly an iron man

SS is currently not on your roster, but will suck

3B Devers is gonna mash, no doubt

LF Yoshida- unknown outside of knowing his D will be bad

CF- Duran? He sucks

RF- Verdugo- solid veteran

DH Turner- 38 yr old who can probably still hit a bit

 

That lineup is awful

 

SP1 Sale- will he ever pitch?

SP2 Kluber- do you want him to pitch

SP3- Pivetta- probably more a 5

SP4- Bello- bright spot, but coming off big innings jump

SP5- Paxton- he’s allergic to being healthy

SP6- Whitlock- probably better in the pen

 

That rotation has some upside but reality is they’ll struggle to stay healthy and you’ll be seeing a s*** ton of Winckowski and Crawford

 

Pen headed by Jansen with Houck and Martin should be reasonable. Although leaning on late thirties relievers with some injury or health issues isn’t a good choice either.

 

This dog don’t hunt. Some Sox fans can see it. The old pink hat rosy glasses people cannot. I’ll tell you I told you so in August but you’ll be licking your wounds

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's always reassuring for Red Sox fans on this Red Sox forum that -- even when things look grim -- we can always count on another empty diatribe by a bitter fan of their annually choking arch-rivals.

 

Where would we be without our Optics Mystic?

[Old Red]

Last year I nailed it

This year I’ll nail it again.

Sox will be either 4th or 5th in division depending on which team, the Os or Sox, has a 4 leaf clover shoved up their ass. Sox win total best case is low 80s. Worst case, 60-something. This is a poorly constructed team that lost a ton of leadership. Top 2 starters from last year gone in Wacha and Eovaldi. XB and JD gone and now Story down for a significant part of the season.

 

You’re leaning on Crank Yanker as a starting C. Your 1b is a rookie, albeit one with high upside

2b is Kike? Not exactly an iron man

SS is currently not on your roster, but will suck

3B Devers is gonna mash, no doubt

LF Yoshida- unknown outside of knowing his D will be bad

CF- Duran? He sucks

RF- Verdugo- solid veteran

DH Turner- 38 yr old who can probably still hit a bit

 

That lineup is awful

 

SP1 Sale- will he ever pitch?

SP2 Kluber- do you want him to pitch

SP3- Pivetta- probably more a 5

SP4- Bello- bright spot, but coming off big innings jump

SP5- Paxton- he’s allergic to being healthy

SP6- Whitlock- probably better in the pen

 

That rotation has some upside but reality is they’ll struggle to stay healthy and you’ll be seeing a s*** ton of Winckowski and Crawford

 

Pen headed by Jansen with Houck and Martin should be reasonable. Although leaning on late thirties relievers with some injury or health issues isn’t a good choice either.

 

This dog don’t hunt. Some Sox fans can see it. The old pink hat rosy glasses people cannot. I’ll tell you I told you so in August but you’ll be licking your wounds

 

Love him, or hate him, but I’d say this sums things up pretty well as they stand today.with, or without Story that won’t make, or break the season.would he have helped sure, and will he hurt not being there a yes too, but not to the extent that he would make a difference in a postseason berth, or not. Story Land was closed more often then it was open last year.

[Old Red]

Per Buster Onley some teams passed on Trevor Story last spring, because of fear of story needing elbow surgery. I guess the Red Sox weren’t one of them, and to let Bogey go as well. What a plan that was!

[mvp 78]

There’s an old Star Trek episode (the original series) where at a diplomatic conference, Spock’s father (an ambassador) says to one cantankerous delegate “Tellarites do not argue for reasons, they just argue.”

 

Sort of reminds me of much of this thread.

 

Some of the arguments on here have been pretty pathetic lately. They are barely about baseball and not at all entertaining. When people actually try to talk about baseball, it just turns into the typical back and forth pettiness within a few posts. Total garbage.

[mvp 78]

Last year I nailed it

This year I’ll nail it again. DIDN'T NAIL IT IN 2021.

 

You’re leaning on Crank Yanker as a starting C. JOKES. HE'LL HAVE A HIGHER WRC+ THAN TREVINO.

Your 1b is a rookie, albeit one with high upside HE'S GOING TO HIT BOMBS.

2b is Kike? Not exactly an iron man HE'LL BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 21 AND 22 KIKé.

SS is currently not on your roster, but will suck PROBABLY, UNTIL MAYER SHOWS UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR

3B Devers is gonna mash, no doubt YUP

LF Yoshida- unknown outside of knowing his D will be bad I DON'T CARE ABOUT BAD D IN LF

CF- Duran? He sucks YUP, NO PLAN HERE YET

RF- Verdugo- solid veteran HARD DISAGREE, DON'T LIKE THIS PLAN AT ALL

DH Turner- 38 yr old who can probably still hit a bit PROBABLY, AT LEAST AS GOOD AS JD '22

 

SP1 Sale- will he ever pitch? 150 INNINGS

SP2 Kluber- do you want him to pitch YES, 3 FWAR LAST YEAR GOOF

SP3- Pivetta- probably more a 5 HE IS THE 5

SP4- Bello- bright spot, but coming off big innings jump GOING TO BE GOOD

SP5- Paxton- he’s allergic to being healthy STINKS

SP6- Whitlock- probably better in the pen BETTER FOR THE ORG TO TRY HIM AGAIN IN THE ROTATION

 

Commentary included above.

 

Sox will be a top 15 fWAR team in offensive and starting rotation. Relief will be top 10. This doesn't mean they are good enough to get into the playoffs.

[mvp 78]

Per Buster Onley some teams passed on Trevor Story last spring, because of fear of story needing elbow surgery. I guess the Red Sox weren’t one of them, and to let Bogey go as well. What a plan that was!

 

Some posters wanted to keep Story at 2b no matter what. Others wanted to push him to SS because "that's what they signed him for." What a plan that was!

[Old Red]

Some posters wanted to keep Story at 2b no matter what. Others wanted to push him to SS because "that's what they signed him for." What a plan that was!

 

So to you the bad elbow is, and was not the problem? I know you are criticizing me for saying Story should be playing SS, and that’s fine, but by the reports I’ve heard Story was planning on playing SS this year, so you are also criticizing Bloom, and Cora, which is fine too.

[harmony]

Last year I nailed it

This year I’ll nail it again.

Sox will be either 4th or 5th in division depending on which team, the Os or Sox, has a 4 leaf clover shoved up their ass. Sox win total best case is low 80s. Worst case, 60-something. This is a poorly constructed team that lost a ton of leadership. Top 2 starters from last year gone in Wacha and Eovaldi. XB and JD gone and now Story down for a significant part of the season.

 

You’re leaning on Crank Yanker as a starting C. Your 1b is a rookie, albeit one with high upside

2b is Kike? Not exactly an iron man

SS is currently not on your roster, but will suck

3B Devers is gonna mash, no doubt

LF Yoshida- unknown outside of knowing his D will be bad

CF- Duran? He sucks

RF- Verdugo- solid veteran

DH Turner- 38 yr old who can probably still hit a bit

 

That lineup is awful

 

SP1 Sale- will he ever pitch?

SP2 Kluber- do you want him to pitch

SP3- Pivetta- probably more a 5

SP4- Bello- bright spot, but coming off big innings jump

SP5- Paxton- he’s allergic to being healthy

SP6- Whitlock- probably better in the pen

 

That rotation has some upside but reality is they’ll struggle to stay healthy and you’ll be seeing a s*** ton of Winckowski and Crawford

 

Pen headed by Jansen with Houck and Martin should be reasonable. Although leaning on late thirties relievers with some injury or health issues isn’t a good choice either.

 

This dog don’t hunt. Some Sox fans can see it. The old pink hat rosy glasses people cannot. I’ll tell you I told you so in August but you’ll be licking your wounds

FWIW the New York Yankees are the least likely team to repeat as division champions, according to MLB.com columnist Will Leitch:

 

MLB division champions likely to repeat in 2023

WWW.MLB.COM

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For all the talk about how division races supposedly don’t matter as much as they used to -- and I can think of a couple No. 1 and No. 2 seeds who would very much disagree with you -- it still means something to be able to call yourself a

[mvp 78]

So to you the bad elbow is, and was not the problem? I know you are criticizing me for saying Story should be playing SS, and that’s fine, but by the reports I’ve heard Story was planning on playing SS this year, so you are also criticizing Bloom, and Cora, which is fine too.

 

The problem was that there was a known issue with his arm that I spoke about for a long time. I said it was a ticking time bomb. It was a ticking time bomb regardless of where he played, but it'd be worse at SS than 2B. Yes, I'm blaming Bloom. Not sure how much I can put on Cora as he doesn't create the 40 man roster.

[mvp 78]

FWIW the New York Yankees are the least likely team to repeat as division champions, according to MLB.com columnist Will Leitch:

 

MLB division champions likely to repeat in 2023

WWW.MLB.COM

---

For all the talk about how division races supposedly don’t matter as much as they used to -- and I can think of a couple No. 1 and No. 2 seeds who would very much disagree with you -- it still means something to be able to call yourself a

 

Cole&Cortes implosion factory in the Wild Card round this year. Rodon won't be healthy enough to pitch by that point.

[Old Red]

The problem was that there was a known issue with his arm that I spoke about for a long time. I said it was a ticking time bomb. It was a ticking time bomb regardless of where he played, but it'd be worse at SS than 2B. Yes, I'm blaming Bloom. Not sure how much I can put on Cora as he doesn't create the 40 man roster.

 

I agree with you, but Cora was by reports going to put Story at SS. I heard Jeff Bagwell, and Craig Biggio voiced an opinion that they knew Story would need surgery too, and I guess they know something about IF arms. I get that Story looked great at 2B last year, but how many good SS wouldn’t look good at 2B? To me though he was a SS first, and I don’t see how it was wrong to think that way since I hadn’t heard he was still having throwing problems. To me another one of those shouldn’t have been signed in the first place.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Old Red

[redsoxrules]

Per Buster Onley some teams passed on Trevor Story last spring, because of fear of story needing elbow surgery. I guess the Red Sox weren’t one of them, and to let Bogey go as well. What a plan that was!

 

Yup, I've said many times they screwed the pooch on this. This was before all the crazy contracts were out. Bogeys contract could have been reworked and probably signed for under 200 million. Now they don't have either.

 

Now the FO signs Devers and over half the people will praise Bloom when in reality that was also botched as an overpay in hopes that fans forget all the other crap deals he has made.

 

And people keep saying oh, well how could we guess Story would get hurt. Cause his elbow was f***ed prior to coming here! But hey let's sign him and get rid of Bogey.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The problem was that there was a known issue with his arm that I spoke about for a long time. I said it was a ticking time bomb. It was a ticking time bomb regardless of where he played, but it'd be worse at SS than 2B. Yes, I'm blaming Bloom. Not sure how much I can put on Cora as he doesn't create the 40 man roster.

 

Bloom, according to Tom Werner yesterday, is "one of the finer heads of baseball operations in baseball."

 

Maybe someday it will come out that an owner or another sharp spear of influence recruited Story -- instead of Bloom (like in the Larry L days). Meanwhile, your first big money signing -- the guy you specifically added to replace your star homegrown shortstop -- can't replace him.

 

Not one of the finer head's finer moments.

[Old Red]

Bloom, according to Tom Werner yesterday, is "one of the finer heads of baseball operations in baseball."

 

Maybe someday it will come out that an owner or another sharp spear of influence recruited Story -- instead of Bloom (like in the Larry L days). Meanwhile, your first big money signing -- the guy you specifically added to replace your star homegrown shortstop -- can't replace him.

 

Not one of the finer head's finer moments.

 

It’s would had been 3 yrs next month that ownership had taken any questions from the media per Peter Abraham. Maybe Werner should have waited another 3 years. The clock is still ticking on JH though.

[mvp 78]

Bloom, according to Tom Werner yesterday, is "one of the finer heads of baseball operations in baseball."

 

Maybe someday it will come out that an owner or another sharp spear of influence recruited Story -- instead of Bloom (like in the Larry L days). Meanwhile, your first big money signing -- the guy you specifically added to replace your star homegrown shortstop -- can't replace him.

 

Not one of the finer head's finer moments.

 

If this is true, he needs to start showing results at the MLB level.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If this is true, he needs to start showing results at the MLB level.

 

Felger and Holley on NBC Sports Boston are killing Bloom this morning, for asking Red Sox Nation yesterday, "Now do you see our vision?"

 

They were like -- for finally signing a homegrown player? Felger: "What vision? Right now your MLB team sucks. The Red Sox blow."

[Old Red]

Felger and Holley on NBC Sports Boston are killing Bloom this morning, for asking Red Sox Nation yesterday, "Now do you see our vision?"

 

They were like -- for finally signing a homegrown player? Felger: "What vision? Right now your MLB team sucks. The Red Sox blow."

 

From the not so great Rick Pitino. All the negativity in this town sucks.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

From the not so great Rick Pitino. All the negativity in this town sucks.

 

This is actually not opinion: a month before Spring Training 2023, the Red Sox' infield is half-empty.

[Old Red]

This is actually not opinion: a month before Spring Training 2023, the Red Sox' infield is half-empty.

 

Kike, and Arroyo are still there, and I believe one of them were going to the the 2B anyway, before Story blew his tire.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Kike, and Arroyo are still there, and I believe one of them were going to the the 2B anyway, before Story blew his tire.

 

Neither has ever started even one-half a regulation MLB season in the infield. If Turner is primarily the DH, that leaves exactly two players on the Red Sox roster who have started half a season in a big league infield: Raffy and... Dalbec!

 

Is you ready?

[Old Red]

Neither has ever started even one-half a regulation MLB season in the infield. If Turner is primarily the DH, that leaves exactly two players on the Red Sox roster who have started half a season in a big league infield: Raffy and... Dalbec!

 

I agree, and the SS position even before Story went down was a big secret.

[mvp 78]

Neither has ever started even one-half a regulation MLB season in the infield. If Turner is primarily the DH, that leaves exactly two players on the Red Sox roster who have started half a season in a big league infield: Raffy and... Dalbec!

 

Is you ready?

 

Casas will be ready. I'm ashamed at all the Sox fans that are just ignoring about what he can bring to this team. Casas and Devers will be good.

 

2B and SS????

 

Healthy MIFers on the 40 man:

Arroyo

Hamilton

Rafaela

Valdez

 

Others:

Goodrum

Fitzgerald

Sogard

Koss

 

Why didn't they grab a Rule 5 guy?

[Old Red]

Casas will be ready. I'm ashamed at all the Sox fans that are just ignoring about what he can bring to this team. Casas and Devers will be good.

 

2B and SS????

 

Healthy MIFers on the 40 man:

Arroyo

Hamilton

Rafaela

Valdez

 

Others:

Goodrum

Fitzgerald

Sogard

Koss

 

Why didn't they grab a Rule 5 guy?

 

Like I have said many times that Casas has plenty of promise, but nothing more than that at this point, so I don’t think anyone is ignoring him, but just waiting to see it happening.

[TylerD]

Maybe Dalbec can play SS......

 

 

lol... See what I did there.

 

I made a funny...

 

Anyway