Story has surgery

[Old Red]

True, but it was strong enough to play second, for how long no one knows, and we wouldn’t be in this self inflicted mess, with no ss or 2nd baseman. This off season has not been bad luck, just bad management

 

I don’t believe Story was signed to that big a contract to play 2B, and if his arm was that bad maybe he shouldn’t have been signed in the first place,so I’ll agree with the bad management part.

[Old Red]

I mean, they were happy with them in 2021.

 

True, but things started in the offseason last year with Sale, and continued to this offseason with Story. I hate to think of what’s next .

[dgalehouse]

Story Land is closed until further notice due to upkeep, and repairs.

 

In the words of the late, great John Candy , " The moose out front should have told you." Chaim Bloom = Clark Griswold.

[Bobe2]

I'm not saying luck is involved. They signed him. They chose no redundancy. They have chosen to still sit on their hands.

 

Just a guess but it sounds like Story had an understanding with Sox about his arm and playing second and when he was told he was being moved he knew he couldn’t handle it and opted for the surgery

[Bellhorn04]

I'll post this again:

 

Per Jen McCaffrey, The Athletic:

 

Following the season, Story had no elbow problems, but when he ramped up his offseason workouts and began throwing just before Christmas, he started to feel pain in his elbow. Story visited a local orthopedic doctor near his home in Texas before flying to Boston to get the elbow evaluated by team doctors. Both groups decided the internal bracing surgery was the best option.

 

If Jen is accurate, the issue was NOT KNOWN BACK IN OCTOBER, IT WAS NOT KNOWN UNTIL MID-DECEMBER.

[Old Red]

Just a guess but it sounds like Story had an understanding with Sox about his arm and playing second and when he was told he was being moved he knew he couldn’t handle it and opted for the surgery

 

The story I heard that Story had pain in ramping up his throwing, and it was nothing more than that.

[Old Red]

I'll post this again:

 

Per Jen McCaffrey, The Athletic:

 

Following the season, Story had no elbow problems, but when he ramped up his offseason workouts and began throwing just before Christmas, he started to feel pain in his elbow. Story visited a local orthopedic doctor near his home in Texas before flying to Boston to get the elbow evaluated by team doctors. Both groups decided the internal bracing surgery was the best option.

 

If Jen is accurate, the issue was NOT KNOWN BACK IN OCTOBER, IT WAS NOT KNOWN UNTIL MID-DECEMBER.

 

That sounds right to me, and from what I had heard also he was ramping up his throwing with the idea of moving back to SS.

[notin]

The story I heard that Story had pain in ramping up his throwing, and it was nothing more than that.

 

I’ve heard he was trying to get ready for the WBC…

[Old Red]

In the words of the late, great John Candy , " The moose out front should have told you." Chaim Bloom = Clark Griswold.

 

And now we’re on the threshold of hell.

[Old Red]

I’ve heard he was trying to get ready for the WBC…

 

And playing what position?

[moonslav59]

I mean, there were questions about the signing from day one. If the signing doesn't work out OF COURSE IT'S ON BLOOM.

 

Again, I never said he was blameless. All signings and decisions are put on the GM, usually in hindsight. My issue with Red was that he implied Bloom had something to do with the "medicals," as he called it, and he hinted at thinking maybe he did n't even read them.

 

If people want or feel the need to assign blame and always narrow it to just one person, fine, but it seems obsessive and relentless, to me.

 

That's not the same as saying Bloom is blameless or shouldn't be held accountable for choices made. I'm not an obsessive blamer. I don't feel the need to pin things on one guy to make my world all neat and tidy. I try to see context and circumstances people making the decisions are under.

 

IMO, the deck was stacked against Bloom for minute one. It's not "excuse making:" it's just facts. He did not create the farm that has only produced Houck since mid 2017. He did not create a budget that forced the Betts-Price trade and barely replaced departing players, afterwards, until March 2022.

 

I have not been happy with many Bloom choices, including several at the time they were made, but my expectations were not set too high, when the budget demands players only being paid $3-10M on 1 year deals.

 

This whole "where are the results?" rant seems somewhat hollow, to me. Yes, we could have done better. Yes, Bloom could have done better. He has done a few things right. He was hired to build up the farm, and it seems like he has done that. He was hired to try and make the team seem competitive along the way, and he's had mixed results. We overperformed in '21 and underperformed in '22. He was finally given a decent winter budget to spend, this winter, and I think he focused too much of the money on positions lower on my priority list. Each moves looks okay, one by one, but not getting a SS and top SP'er looks like a mistake, to me. It looks like we are, again, down to hoping Chris Freakin' Sale is resurrected.

 

Although I questioned the strategy of adding a SS, last spring, I liked the Story signing. We needed a RH'd bat with some power. It looks like a real bas signing, now, and of course Bloom can and should be blamed- just like all GMs are. The fact that Story was known to have arm issues does add to the issue. I never denied this. He apparently trusted the results of the physical and chose to take on the risk. He did this even more so with the Paxton signing, last winter. DD did it with the Sale & Nate signings. The JD signing involved a medical concern that turned out not to matter. It's the nature of the GM job. I get it.

 

That doesn't mean I have to agree with the relentless and obsessive finger pointing and lack of contextualization.

 

[Bobe2]

The story I heard that Story had pain in ramping up his throwing, and it was nothing more than that.

 

I heard that too but it really makes no sense as a reason for surgery when you have put it off for a couple years already and you’ve been playing with that pain, discomfort when starting to throw shouldn’t have been a surprise, and why surgery when you need him most and there was no indication of arm problem at end of season

[notin]

And playing what position?

 

No idea. That was the extent of the discussion before one of the talking heads decided Carlos Correa was still more interesting and the topic of his contract(s) needed to be completely repeated…

[moonslav59]

Does it make you feel better to point out my critique on Bloom? I think it’s pretty well known.

 

I don't consider how it makes me feel. When you post nonsense or points that need context, or outright fabrications on other's views and statements, I reply. It's really that simple. Maybe if you stop overanalyzing my positions and motives, you'd see things more clearly, but I doubt your comprehension skills would allow anything clearer than what we see, everyday.

[moonslav59]

It already fell.

 

Yesterday or earlier?

[Old Red]

Again, I never said he was blameless. All signings and decisions are put on the GM, usually in hindsight. My issue with Red was that he implied Bloom had something to do with the "medicals," as he called it, and he hinted at thinking maybe he did n't even read them.

 

If people want or feel the need to assign blame and always narrow it to just one person, fine, but it seems obsessive and relentless, to me.

 

That's not the same as saying Bloom is blameless or shouldn't be held accountable for choices made. I'm not an obsessive blamer. I don't feel the need to pin things on one guy to make my world all neat and tidy. I try to see context and circumstances people making the decisions are under.

 

IMO, the deck was stacked against Bloom for minute one. It's not "excuse making:" it's just facts. He did not create the farm that has only produced Houck since mid 2017. He did not create a budget that forced the Betts-Price trade and barely replaced departing players, afterwards, until March 2022.

 

I have not been happy with many Bloom choices, including several at the time they were made, but my expectations were not set too high, when the budget demands players only being paid $3-10M on 1 year deals.

 

This whole "where are the results?" rant seems somewhat hollow, to me. Yes, we could have done better. Yes, Bloom could have done better. He has done a few things right. He was hired to build up the farm, and it seems like he has done that. He was hired to try and make the team seem competitive along the way, and he's had mixed results. We overperformed in '21 and underperformed in '22. He was finally given a decent winter budget to spend, this winter, and I think he focused too much of the money on positions lower on my priority list. Each moves looks okay, one by one, but not getting a SS and top SP'er looks like a mistake, to me. It looks like we are, again, down to hoping Chris Freakin' Sale is resurrected.

 

Although I questioned the strategy of adding a SS, last spring, I liked the Story signing. We needed a RH'd bat with some power. It looks like a real bas signing, now, and of course Bloom can and should be blamed- just like all GMs are. The fact that Story was known to have arm issues does add to the issue. I never denied this. He apparently trusted the results of the physical and chose to take on the risk. He did this even more so with the Paxton signing, last winter. DD did it with the Sale & Nate signings. The JD signing involved a medical concern that turned out not to matter. It's the nature of the GM job. I get it.

 

That doesn't mean I have to agree with the relentless and obsessive finger pointing and lack of contextualization.

 

 

Wash rinse repeat we have heard all this before. You are the one Perfect example of quantity does not mean quality. I at no time did I say that Bloom, or implied that Bloom had something to do with the medicals. You as you always do over analyze, and get something wrong. Time after time you do this, and time after time you get something wrong. Mr wrong, Mr. wrong they are playing your song. Your delusional Protecting Bloom syndrome makes you see things that aren’t there. It’s a curse, and no sort of a gift. I asked a simple question was anything missed in the medicals prior to the signing, and Bloom should answer that, but you took the big leap as you always do, and go off on a different tangent to fit your narrative. PBA Brown nose, and all.

[Old Red]

I don't consider how it makes me feel. When you post nonsense or points that need context, or outright fabrications on other's views and statements, I reply. It's really that simple. Maybe if you stop overanalyzing my positions and motives, you'd see things more clearly, but I doubt your comprehension skills would allow anything clearer than what we see, everyday.

 

I don’t have to over analyze your position when it comes to thinking you know what I’m saying, because you are so far off, and get things wrong.

[Old Red]

Yesterday or earlier?

 

When Bloom was hired.

[moonslav59]

Wash rinse repeat we have heard all this before. You are the one Perfect example of quantity does not mean quality. I at no time did I say that Bloom, or implied that Bloom had something to do with the medicals. You as you always do over analyze, and get something wrong. Time after time you do this, and time after time you get something wrong. Mr wrong, Mr. wrong they are playing your song. Your delusional Protecting Bloom syndrome makes you see things that aren’t there. It’s a curse, and no sort of a gift. I asked a simple question was anything missed in the medicals prior to the signing, and Bloom should answer that, but you took the big leap as you always do, and go off on a different tangent to fit your narrative. PBA Brown nose, and all.

 

No, but he gets the reports, or at least should have.- Ole Red

[moonslav59]

I don’t have to over analyze your position when it comes to thinking you know what I’m saying, because you are so far off, and get things wrong.

 

The guy you construct in your head is not me.

 

Yes, I have been wrong and freely admit it often.

 

You never do. Instead, you double and triple down and deny saying things, like saying Bloom is to blame for the Sale extension and that saying "You hate Bogey, and his defense, too." does not mean you said I hated Bogey.

 

yes, rinse and repeat fabrications enough that you believe them, yourself.

[Hugh2]

No, but he gets the reports, or at least should have.- Ole Red

 

Bloom wouldn't know what to do with a medical any more than me or you would, he's reading or listening to a doctors interpretation and recommendations of such report.

 

Of all the reasons to hate Bloom, the only way this would ever make sense is if it came to light that Bloom forced or coerced Story to make a medical decision AGAINST the advice of a medical professional here. This does not appear to be the case by any means.

[moonslav59]

When Bloom was hired.

 

It happened before that.

[Old Red]

It happened before that.

 

Bloom brought gloom, and doom. The record bears that out.

[moonslav59]

Bloom brought gloom, and doom. The record bears that out.

 

Everything was so rosy during and right after 2019, right?

[Old Red]

Bloom wouldn't know what to do with a medical any more than me or you would, he's reading or listening to a doctors interpretation and recommendations of such report.

 

Of all the reasons to hate Bloom, the only way this would ever make sense is if it came to light that Bloom forced or coerced Story to make a medical decision AGAINST the advice of a medical professional here. This does not appear to be the case by any means.

When I said Bloom gets the reports I was referring to the medical so called experts, and not the actual medical reports themselves.like I keep repeating is all I asked was anything missed in the medicals, and That Bloom should say one way, or the other if there was like what SF, and the Mets did with Correa. I wasn’t blaming Bloom at that point.

[Old Red]

Everything was so rosy during and right after 2019, right?

 

We agree 4 years of DD with 4 winning records, and a WS. Bloom 2 out of 3 years a losing last place team.

[mvp 78]

And playing what position?

 

It wouldn't matter as he's still just ramping up to play baseball and just "throwing a ball."

[mvp 78]

Yesterday or earlier?

 

Earlier. I think the sky fell last season. How could it get worse? We already hear about "last place." How does it get lower? The question is how does Bloom rebound from this and can he build a team that is memorable for anything of value.

[Old Red]

The guy you construct in your head is not me.

 

Yes, I have been wrong and freely admit it often.

 

You never do. Instead, you double and triple down and deny saying things, like saying Bloom is to blame for the Sale extension and that saying "You hate Bogey, and his defense, too." does not mean you said I hated Bogey.

 

yes, rinse and repeat fabrications enough that you believe them, yourself.

 

I never said Bloom was responsible for the Sale extension, and that’s nothing, but a fabrication from your imagination, and interpretation, and once again that proves my point about you always being wrong.

[Old Red]

It wouldn't matter as he's still just ramping up to play baseball and just "throwing a ball."

 

I know that, but I was just wondering what position Story had planned on playing during the baseball classic.