2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[mvp 78]

How about a #1 catcher? All they have is backups now.

 

McGuire was pretty good. At least as good as Vaz.

[mvp 78]

Speaking of catchers, final CERA numbers for 2022:

 

Wong 3.72 (138.0 IP)

Vaz 4.21 (643.1)

Plawecki 4.32 (420.2)

McGuire 6.33 (229.0)

 

Yoikes.

[harmony]

Duran and Wink (or Chris Murphy) for Sewald & Murphy

The Mariners would have little interest in Jarren Duran, a poor man's Taylor Trammell, the defensively adept Seattle center fielder who is a year younger than Duran.

 

A very poor man.

 

In 58 games year Duran posted a negative 0.4 fWAR and 78 wRC+ while in 44 games Trammell posted a positive 0.4 fWAR and 99 wRC+.

 

On the Seattle outfield depth chart, Duran would likely fall behind Cade Marlowe, who is on the postseason taxi squad despite never have played an MLB game.

 

This season Marlowe, who is 10 months younger than Duran, posted a .287/.377/.487/.864 with 23 home runs, 102 RBI and 42 stolen bases between Double A and Triple A. Nevertheless Marlowe may be a Rule 5 casualty:

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/examining-the-american-leagues-2022-40-man-crunch/

 

BTW in the trade for Luis Castillo the Mariners traded away two "Must-Add Prospects" from that FanGraphs July analysis of American League 40-man roster crunches.

[Old Red]

McGuire was pretty good. At least as good as Vaz.

 

Vaz had a lot of big clutch hits though.

[moonslav59]

McGuire was pretty good. At least as good as Vaz.

 

Vaz was a back-up, too (in HOU.)

[moonslav59]

The Mariners would have little interest in Jarren Duran, a poor man's Taylor Trammell, the defensively adept Seattle center fielder who is a year younger than Duran.

 

A very poor man.

 

In 58 games year Duran posted a negative 0.4 fWAR and 78 wRC+ while in 44 games Trammell posted a positive 0.4 fWAR and 99 wRC+.

 

On the Seattle outfield depth chart, Duran would likely fall behind Cade Marlowe, who is on the postseason taxi squad despite never have played an MLB game.

 

This season Marlowe, who is 10 months younger than Duran, posted a .287/.377/.487/.864 with 23 home runs, 102 RBI and 42 stolen bases between Double A and Triple A. Nevertheless Marlowe may be a Rule 5 casualty:

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/examining-the-american-leagues-2022-40-man-crunch/

 

BTW in the trade for Luis Castillo the Mariners traded away two "Must-Add Prospects" from that FanGraphs July analysis of American League 40-man roster crunches.

 

Nobody wants Duran, and BTV is grossly wrong on the value they gave him.

[moonslav59]

Yoikes.

 

w CWS

3.38 McGuire (399)

4.01 Zavala (449Z)

4.21 Grandal (554)

4.30 C Perez (46)

[mvp 78]

Vaz had a lot of big clutch hits though.

 

Ok? Give Reese 8 years and maybe he collects a few of those as well.

[notin]

Vaz had a lot of big clutch hits though.

 

McGuire didn’t?

[moonslav59]

McGuire didn’t?

 

Funny how all Kike's clutch hits were quickly forgotten.

[notin]

Nobody wants Duran, and BTV is grossly wrong on the value they gave him.

 

Maybe.

 

Five years of Duran (OPS+ 69, Surplus value $5.9mill) is valued roughly the same as five years of Mariners OF Jarred Kelenic (OPS+ 66, surplus value $5.6mill)

 

Change of scenery for both?

[moonslav59]

Maybe.

 

Five years of Duran (OPS+ 69, Surplus value $5.9mill) is valued roughly the same as five years of Mariners OF Jarred Kelenic (OPS+ 66, surplus value $5.6mill)

 

Change of scenery for both?

 

I'm thinking BTV's end of year reevaluations will lower Duran under 2.0.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Funny how all Kike's clutch hits were quickly forgotten.

 

Wait - what? Who forgets Kike's postseason heroics -- from coast to coast?!?!?

 

He Arozarenaed the AL playoffs just last year... after blasting three home runs in LA's pennant clincher in 2017.

 

Hernandez' shirt sales were repeatable, too; his jersey was the Dodgers' best seller before they traded for one year of Mookie.

 

How clutch can a guy be who gets a Miss Universe to marry him?

[moonslav59]

Wait - what? Who forgets Kike's postseason heroics -- from coast to coast?!?!?

 

He Arozarenaed the AL playoffs just last year... after blasting three home runs in LA's pennant clincher in 2017.

 

Hernandez' shirt sales were repeatable, too; his jersey was the Dodgers' best seller before they traded for one year of Mookie.

 

How clutch can a guy be who gets a Miss Universe to marry him?

 

 

Ask Old "last year was last year" Red.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sox fans also have a weird definition of “dumpster diving.” Apparently it applies to any player not an All Star in his prime.

 

Schreiber and Springs were dumpster dives. And, as it turns out, good ones. Diekman and Strahm were legitimate MLB pitchers the Sox acquired by signing them to market-rate contracts. That’s not “dumpster diving” in my book…

 

Schreiber is suddenly valued at a 24.2 on BTV -- the Red Sox' most valuable non-rookie trade chip besides Whitlock and Devers.

 

Wouldn't a team in rebuild almost have to sell high on a guy like that, meaning someone who's been kicking around in the pros for almost a decade, playing for nine different teams, before suddenly arriving as a solid big leaguer at age 28? The question smarter men than us need to answer: did he just have a career year or did he find something that will propel him to All-Star status for the next decade?

[notin]

Schreiber is suddenly valued at a 24.2 on BTV -- the Red Sox' most valuable non-rookie trade chip besides Whitlock and Devers.

 

Wouldn't a team in rebuild almost have to sell high on a guy like that, meaning someone who's been kicking around in the pros for almost a decade, playing for nine different teams, before suddenly arriving as a solid big leaguer at age 28? The question smarter men than us need to answer: did he just have a career year or did he find something that will propel him to All-Star status for the next decade?

 

There is also some understandable doubt about him replicating last year.

 

But he could ALDS so just go to middle relief. Last year, Schreiber pitched in 22 games that were high pressure outings per aLI. Compared to Barnes, who had 9, and none after May 17. Schreiber was the Sox “relief ace” who kept getting brought in to face Bichette and Vlad. Even if he struggles, he can probably thrive in a reduced pressure role just facing, say, whoever is due up in the 7th.

 

A rebuilding team might move him. But are the Sox rebuilding? If they were, they wouldn’t be looking to sign Bogaerts; they’d be looking to move Story…

[mvp 78]

Schreiber is suddenly valued at a 24.2 on BTV -- the Red Sox' most valuable non-rookie trade chip besides Whitlock and Devers.

 

Wouldn't a team in rebuild almost have to sell high on a guy like that, meaning someone who's been kicking around in the pros for almost a decade, playing for nine different teams, before suddenly arriving as a solid big leaguer at age 28? The question smarter men than us need to answer: did he just have a career year or did he find something that will propel him to All-Star status for the next decade?

 

BTV strapped a rocket to him.

[Bellhorn04]

btv strapped a rocket to him.

 

lmao

[Old Red]

 

Ask Old "last year was last year" Red.

 

Last year was last year, but the limitations on Kike’s hot streak certainly didn’t help him, or carry into this year. Kike sucked from day 1 this year, and long before he got hurt. He really didn’t make it over 200 until the end of May, so while it was great what he did in the 2021 postseason he was just the opposite this year, and just pretty much sucked.

[Old Red]

Vaz was a back-up, too (in HOU.)

 

Yes Vaz is, but if he came back to Boston he would resume being the #1 catcher. Like I keep saying Reese, and Wong are nothing, but backups.

[mvp 78]

Yes Vaz is, but if he came back to Boston he would resume being the #1 catcher. Like I keep saying Reese, and Wong are nothing, but backups.

 

Kiké was nothing but a backup until he came to Boston.

 

Vaz was nothing but a backup in HOU. If you look at his overall numbers, Vaz may not be a top 20 catcher anymore. Defensively, he has fallen way off too.

 

Is McGuire the long term answer? No. Is Wong? No. Maybe in a few years either Hickey or Brannon can be their guy. Until then, they can either find some defensive first guys on the cheap or they'll have to likely trade for somebody. The Sox won in 2013 with Ross and Saltalamachia as backstops, so they don't need a dynamic player at the position to be competitive.

[Old Red]

Kiké was nothing but a backup until he came to Boston.

 

Vaz was nothing but a backup in HOU. If you look at his overall numbers, Vaz may not be a top 20 catcher anymore. Defensively, he has fallen way off too.

 

Is McGuire the long term answer? No. Is Wong? No. Maybe in a few years either Hickey or Brannon can be their guy. Until then, they can either find some defensive first guys on the cheap or they'll have to likely trade for somebody. The Sox won in 2013 with Ross and Saltalamachia as backstops, so they don't need a dynamic player at the position to be competitive.

 

Oh no you called Kike nothing but a backup, before he came to Boston. Moon is not going to like that, but I do agree though.

[harmony]

Maybe.

 

Five years of Duran (OPS+ 69, Surplus value $5.9mill) is valued roughly the same as five years of Mariners OF Jarred Kelenic (OPS+ 66, surplus value $5.6mill)

 

Change of scenery for both?

The Mariners aren't trading the shaky upside of 23-year-old Jarred Kelenic, their starting postseason outfielder, for a stalled 26-year-old Jarren Duran.

[moonslav59]

The Mariners aren't trading the shaky upside of 23-year-old Jarred Kelenic, their starting postseason outfielder, for a stalled 26-year-old Jarren Duran.

 

The Sox aren't trading their starting OF'er for a shaky catcher, either.

[Bellhorn04]

Kiké was nothing but a backup until he came to Boston.

 

He had 462 PA's in 2018 and 460 in 2019. Not really "nothing but a backup".

[mvp 78]

He had 462 PA's in 2018 and 460 in 2019. Not really "nothing but a backup".

 

His most games played at any one position in a single year was 85 prior to coming to the Sox. This isn't a hill I'm going to die on, it was just to refute poster's point, but it wasn't going to do any good anyway.

 

[notin]

The Mariners aren't trading the shaky upside of 23-year-old Jarred Kelenic, their starting postseason outfielder, for a stalled 26-year-old Jarren Duran.

 

So they don’t like slight improvements?

 

Its a much more equal and sensible deal than the Red Sox trading their starting LF for more expensive downgrade at backup catcher…

Edited October 12, 2022 by notin

[moonslav59]

So they don’t like slight improvements?

 

Its a much more equal and sensible deal than the Red Sox trading their starting LF for more expensive downgrade at backup catcher…

 

For someone who complains about the many trade proposals Sox fans make, here, that one of his was about as lame as can be.

[harmony]

So they don’t like slight improvements?

 

Its a much more equal and sensible deal than the Red Sox trading their starting LF for more expensive downgrade at backup catcher…

 

The Sox aren't trading their starting OF'er for a shaky catcher, either

.

 

Neither proposed trade is sensible.

[moonslav59]

.

 

Neither proposed trade is sensible.

 

Mine was a joke. I wasn't so sure about yours.