A Realistic View at 2023: Part I

[notin]

Kelly doesn't have a good walk rate. His k rate didn't play up at the MLB level last season. Until it does, that walk rate keeps him behind Brasier. He still had a 4 ERA.

 

Crawford didn't pitch all that great out of the pen. His walk rate was really bad out there.

 

Neither guy has anything greater than a middle relief ceiling in the pen. I think they are about in the same tier of pitcher. Brasier is much more expensive though.

 

Crawford had a good stretch as a starter. If he was the 7th or 8th starter, that would make sense to me.

 

Winckowski just strikes me as a reliever…

[moonslav59]

Crawford had a good stretch as a starter. If he was the 7th or 8th starter, that would make sense to me.

 

Winckowski just strikes me as a reliever…

 

Low leverage and 2-3 Innings (once through the line-up)

[mvp 78]

Crawford had a good stretch as a starter. If he was the 7th or 8th starter, that would make sense to me.

 

Winckowski just strikes me as a reliever…

 

If Winckowski can't get his strike out numbers up, he's not going to be useful for a team that wants to be competitive. He's a right handed Wade Miley.

[mvp 78]

Raffy Devers, and the ????????? Sounds like a winning combination to me.

 

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[Old Red]

Bra Man gets $2M to avoid arbitration.

Dugy $6.3M

Pivetta $5.35M

Arroyo $2M

McGuire $1.225M

Edited January 13, 2023 by Old Red

[mvp 78]

Sox avoided arbitration with all remaining players:

 

According to MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo, the Red Sox will pay Pivetta $6.3 million, Brasier $2 million, McGuire $1.225 million, Arroyo $2 million, and Verdugo $6.3 million

[Old Red]

Sox avoided arbitration with all remaining players:

 

According to MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo, the Red Sox will pay Pivetta $6.3 million, Brasier $2 million, McGuire $1.225 million, Arroyo $2 million, and Verdugo $6.3 million

 

$23M for Soto.

[Bellhorn04]

$23M for Soto.

 

With an extension to follow?

[Old Red]

With an extension to follow?

 

And to think he’s also already turned down $400M+.

[moonslav59]

Sox avoided arbitration with all remaining players:

 

According to MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo, the Red Sox will pay Pivetta $6.3 million, Brasier $2 million, McGuire $1.225 million, Arroyo $2 million, and Verdugo $6.3 million

 

About in line with projections on MLBTR

5.5 Dugo

5.3 Pivetta

3.0 Arroyo

2.5 Brasier

2.1 McGuire

[notin]

If Winckowski can't get his strike out numbers up, he's not going to be useful for a team that wants to be competitive. He's a right handed Wade Miley.

 

Are you referring to 12 year MLB veteran Wade Miley? The same Wade Miley who has been worth as many fWAR in fewer starts as Nick Pivetta in the past 5 years?

 

I’ve heard worse complaints about pitchers…

[notin]

And to think he’s also already turned down $400M+.

 

Over 15 years. He might be amenable to that same cash over 10-12 years…

[moonslav59]

Over 15 years. He might be amenable to that same cash over 10-12 years…

 

Why? So he can sign another contract at 36 or 37?

 

I think he'll want a 14 year deal for $450M+.

[notin]

Why? So he can sign another contract at 36 or 37?

 

I think he'll want a 14 year deal for $450M+.[/QUOTe]

 

 

That’s not much different than Washington’s last offer of $440mill over 15…

[moonslav59]

That’s not much different than Washington’s last offer of $440mill over 15…

 

It's not going to be about AAV for 12 years.

 

It will be more than $450M/14- more likely $465M/15 or more.

[moonslav59]

With arb numbers now finalized, cots has the Sox estimated at $203.5M or $29.5M below the first tax line.

 

Fangraphs has us at $209.4 or $23.6 under.

 

Spotrac has us at $204.9 or $28.6 under.

 

Which ever service is right, we should have over $23M to spend on at least 2 from these 3 positions: SS, 2B or CF and maybe even another decent pitcher.

[Larry Cook]

Is Duvall able to pass a physical?

[moonslav59]

Is Duvall able to pass a physical?

 

Only on the Red Sox, yes...

 

OWWWWW!!!!

[notin]

Is Duvall able to pass a physical?

 

And play CF…

[Bellhorn04]

Can't we please just have Kike in CF and Andrus at SS?

[Old Red]

Can't we please just have Kike in CF and Andrus at SS?

 

Andrus probably wants to much money, and more than a year.

[Bellhorn04]

Andrus probably wants to much money, and more than a year.

 

If he goes somewhere else for 2 * 12 or something like that, I'll puke.

[Old Red]

If he goes somewhere else for 2 * 12 or something like that, I'll puke.

 

Story changed Bloom’s plans, but this whole IF situation is turning out harder than it should be it appears.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom is the ever-patient tortoise.

[notin]

Can't we please just have Kike in CF and Andrus at SS?

 

And leave 2b vacant?

[notin]

Right now it is possible the Sox are left with 40 players they don’t want to DFA, which makes signing players difficult. What the Sox want (off this is true) is a player to sign a minor league deal that they can promote once teams can place players on the 60 day IL again…

[Bellhorn04]

And leave 2b vacant?

 

I don't think I said that or meant to imply it, sir!

[Old Red]

Right now it is possible the Sox are left with 40 players they don’t want to DFA, which makes signing players difficult. What the Sox want (off this is true) is a player to sign a minor league deal that they can promote once teams can place players on the 60 day IL again…

 

The Red Sox have more problems than worrying who’s on the back end of the 40 man.

[moonslav59]

And leave 2b vacant?

 

I'd feel better with Arroyo, EValdez and even Bobby Dee at 2B than Duran in CF.

 

We could also sign Andrus and trade for Wendle.

 

It can't be about the money with Andrus. It must be he wants 3 years or 2 with a hefty 3rd year option buy out.

 

I'd say give it to him, just don't have a no trade clause.

[Old Red]

I'd feel better with Arroyo, EValdez and even Bobby Dee at 2B than Duran in CF.

 

We could also sign Andrus and trade for Wendle.

 

It can't be about the money with Andrus. It must be he wants 3 years or 2 with a hefty 3rd year option buy out.

 

I'd say give it to him, just don't have a no trade clause.

 

I think Bloom is just doing his signature move in trying to look for that third option in the fork in the road. It worked out so good last time.