13 Man Staff; who goes?

[moonslav59]

Then why deal Arroyo for another hopeful?

 

Looking at Refsnyder’s career, it’s filled with minor league decency and MLB limited opportunities. Any RHH OF you can get for Arroyo is more likely to be a step down than a step up…

 

I just mentioned an OF'er as an option- more likely a single-A prospect.

[moonslav59]

Not to mention his 40 man out of options status was hopefully not surprising, and the Sox had to know about the 13 man pitcher deadline today.

 

Not sure why they didn’t simply demote Danish, who has an option and seems to be more problem than solution with this bullpen…

 

I guess someone might have gotten hurt between the trade and the DFA.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He'll be only up for a few games most likely. Hard to show case a guy who only is hitting 125 since May 5th.

 

What if he hits a fly ball to RF and some Little Leaguer sticks his glove over the wall and pulls the ball into the bleachers for a classic rookie Jeter HR?

[mvp 78]

So they traded for Norwood to DFA him without him ever even seeing the field? Wtf

 

I think he was traded for "cash considerations." The consideration of cash could have been very small.

[mvp 78]

Not to mention his 40 man out of options status was hopefully not surprising, and the Sox had to know about the 13 man pitcher deadline today.

 

Not sure why they didn’t simply demote Danish, who has an option and seems to be more problem than solution with this bullpen…

 

Danish had pitched ok, prior to the last game: 3.00 ERA, 3.75 FIP, 21K, 3BB, 24 IP

 

He was far from the worst option out there.

[mvp 78]

What if he hits a fly ball to RF and some Little Leaguer sticks his glove over the wall and pulls the ball into the bleachers for a classic rookie Jeter HR?

 

It's a good gag. The younger generation may not be aware of it.

[JDavis76]

What if he hits a fly ball to RF and some Little Leaguer sticks his glove over the wall and pulls the ball into the bleachers for a classic rookie Jeter HR?

 

Wouldn't have really mattered IMO. The Yanks won every game in Camden Yards that season i believe.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I can't remember all the details from 1995. I'm lucky I can still recall that weak chopper by Gleybar that Nunez picked at third, fired to first, and Steve Pearce did a split on to save and seal the ALDS in 2018. Was that in Yankee Stadium?

[JDavis76]

I can't remember all the details from 1995. I'm lucky I can still recall that weak chopper by Gleybar that Nunez picked at third, fired to first, and Steve Pearce did a split on to save and seal the ALDS in 2018. Was that in Yankee Stadium?

 

It wasn't 1995

[notin]

What if he hits a fly ball to RF and some Little Leaguer sticks his glove over the wall and pulls the ball into the bleachers for a classic rookie Jeter HR?

 

Does this mean you want Tony Tarasco in our RF platoon?

[Kimmi]

The 5 Sox starters' (Pivetta, Eovaldi, Wacha, Hill, and Whitlock) combined WAR totals +6.1. The relievers combined WAR (including plusses and minuses) is +1.7. And don't forget, the starters normally have to face opposing hitters at least twice in a game. Relievers usually (Houck has been an exception) don't.

 

Then, as Old Red likes to remind me, there's the little matter of 14 saves out of 28 save opportunities. Almost laughable is that in the two wins vs. the Cardinals, there were no blown saves even though the Cardinals scored 4 runs in the 9th (to get the score to 6-5 with 2 on and 2 out before that final out) in one win and 3 in the 9th (final score 6-4) in the other win.

 

Maybe my "lousy" is short of your "dire," but my opinion, which ain't worth much, is that Alex Cora is on his way to some pretty important decorations (see Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove) for bravery.

 

The pen (and our pitching staff as a whole) was never expected to be the strength of this team. Our offense was. Most of our losses came when our offense wasn't scoring many runs. It's really difficult for any pitching staff to feel like they can't make a mistake because of the offense's inability to score any runs.

 

Once our offense started scoring like they should, the pen giving up some runs usually does not matter. Yes, I know that the pen still blew some games, but 27-12 since May 10 isn't too shabby.

[Kimmi]

Not to mention his 40 man out of options status was hopefully not surprising, and the Sox had to know about the 13 man pitcher deadline today.

 

Not sure why they didn’t simply demote Danish, who has an option and seems to be more problem than solution with this bullpen…

 

I didn't understand this either, but a good point was made that the Sox are likely betting that Norwood would pass through waivers (especially with all the other teams having to cut one pitcher) and that they could stick Norwood in AAA as depth or whatever.

[notin]

I didn't understand this either, but a good point was made that the Sox are likely betting that Norwood would pass through waivers (especially with all the other teams having to cut one pitcher) and that they could stick Norwood in AAA as depth or whatever.

 

 

My point was they didn’t have to cut/DFA anyone. Just demote Danish. This limit doesn’t affect 40 man rosters; just 26 man active rosters…

[Maxbialystock]

The pen (and our pitching staff as a whole) was never expected to be the strength of this team. Our offense was. Most of our losses came when our offense wasn't scoring many runs. It's really difficult for any pitching staff to feel like they can't make a mistake because of the offense's inability to score any runs.

 

Once our offense started scoring like they should, the pen giving up some runs usually does not matter. Yes, I know that the pen still blew some games, but 27-12 since May 10 isn't too shabby.

 

Agree. Plus I compared the Sox starters vs relievers numbers with the Yankees starters vs. relievers numbers and saw about the same ratio even though I expected to see great WAR's for their relievers.

 

But, yes, it was the weak hitting that killed us early on.

[JDavis76]

I didn't understand this either, but a good point was made that the Sox are likely betting that Norwood would pass through waivers (especially with all the other teams having to cut one pitcher) and that they could stick Norwood in AAA as depth or whatever.

 

I'm surprised anyone is giving norwood a shot after he went wide right in the Super Bowl years ago.

[Kimmi]

My point was they didn’t have to cut/DFA anyone. Just demote Danish. This limit doesn’t affect 40 man rosters; just 26 man active rosters…

 

I thought that would be the move as well, but apparently, they didn't want to demote Danish.

[Kimmi]

Agree. Plus I compared the Sox starters vs relievers numbers with the Yankees starters vs. relievers numbers and saw about the same ratio even though I expected to see great WAR's for their relievers.

 

But, yes, it was the weak hitting that killed us early on.

 

Relievers are typically not worth a whole lot in terms of WAR. In addition to them not pitching as many innings, it is not as difficult to replace them. If a closer gets injured, he will likely be replaced by the 8th inning guy who is typically almost as good. The reliever that is called up from the minors does not go into the closer's role, but instead becomes the #8 reliever. Because of this, the replacement level value of relief pitchers is not as high as it is for starting pitchers or position players.

[Kimmi]

I'm surprised anyone is giving norwood a shot after he went wide right in the Super Bowl years ago.

 

Ha. I had to Google "Norwood Super Bowl" to know what you were talking about.

[Bellhorn04]

Relievers are typically not worth a whole lot in terms of WAR.

 

I just multiply their WAR by 3 for comparison to other players.

[Kimmi]

I just multiply their WAR by 3 for comparison to other players.

 

Sounds about right. Typically, the best relievers will earn a WAR value of an average position player or starter.