The Way Too Early Tear Down Thread

[Bellhorn04]

IMO, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Cora has won a WS and got to the ALCS last season. Bloom had a throw away year, a very successful year and then a disappointing year. I think he needs to be given time because his goal was to grow the franchise from the bottom up, not the top down.

 

Honestly, he's done a s*** job with the bullpen and outfield construction specifically. I don't like the Story signing. I think they should have re-signed/extended Mookie, Xander and Devers (the big 3). I can't complain about the results from last season or the turnaround in the farm system. It's been a mixed bag.

 

I concur.

[dgalehouse]

More than one on here have said Bloom, and Cora got the Red Sox to 2 games of the WS last year, and I’m fine with that logic, so following the same logic Bloom, and Cora have made the mess that the Red Sox are this year. Sounds good to me.

 

That is the P.B.A. at work. We also were one game away from not making the post season at all. We were tied for second , eight games out of first. We survived the ultimate crapshoot and had a brief run before falling short. There have been many times in my life when we were just one game away from the World Series or even a championship. They are not always fondly remembered. Last season was a success only when compared to the previous year's debacle.

[notin]

If he kept spending and kept trading, it would have been fine.

 

How much more would Henry let him spend? He was up to nearly a quarter of a billion dollars for 25 players. That’s an average of nearly $10mill per roster spot. And (I think) he only had the one bad inherited contract…

[JDavis76]

IMO, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Cora has won a WS and got to the ALCS last season. Bloom had a throw away year, a very successful year and then a disappointing year. I think he needs to be given time because his goal was to grow the franchise from the bottom up, not the top down.

 

Honestly, he's done a s*** job with the bullpen and outfield construction specifically. I don't like the Story signing. I think they should have re-signed/extended Mookie, Xander and Devers (the big 3). I can't complain about the results from last season or the turnaround in the farm system. It's been a mixed bag.

 

Would it really be possible considering that sale is on the books, too. Can the sox really carry 4 guys making roughly $30M a year?

[notin]

IMO, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Cora has won a WS and got to the ALCS last season. Bloom had a throw away year, a very successful year and then a disappointing year. I think he needs to be given time because his goal was to grow the franchise from the bottom up, not the top down.

 

Honestly, he's done a s*** job with the bullpen and outfield construction specifically. I don't like the Story signing. I think they should have re-signed/extended Mookie, Xander and Devers (the big 3). I can't complain about the results from last season or the turnaround in the farm system. It's been a mixed bag.

 

Keeping Mookie, Xander and Devers would have been nice, but even the Sox most freewheeling GM/President was unable to pull that off.

 

I don’t think keeping Mookie was as simple as many Sox and wish it was. Possible that without COVID, LA might not have been able to either…

[Bellhorn04]

How much more would Henry let him spend? He was up to nearly a quarter of a billion dollars for 25 players. That’s an average of nearly $10mill per roster spot. And (I think) he only had the one bad inherited contract…

 

Pablo and Hanley.

[mvp 78]

How much more would Henry let him spend? He was up to nearly a quarter of a billion dollars for 25 players. That’s an average of nearly $10mill per roster spot. And (I think) he only had the one bad inherited contract…

 

[Old Red]

That is the P.B.A. at work. We also were one game away from not making the post season at all. We were tied for second , eight games out of first. We survived the ultimate crapshoot and had a brief run before falling short. There have been many times in my life when we were just one game away from the World Series or even a championship. They are not always fondly remembered. Last season was a success only when compared to the previous year's debacle.

 

The P.B.A don’t have a very high membership outside of the few charter members on here. It makes them feel good though.

[notin]

IMO, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Cora has won a WS and got to the ALCS last season. Bloom had a throw away year, a very successful year and then a disappointing year. I think he needs to be given time because his goal was to grow the franchise from the bottom up, not the top down.

 

Honestly, he's done a s*** job with the bullpen and outfield construction specifically. I don't like the Story signing. I think they should have re-signed/extended Mookie, Xander and Devers (the big 3). I can't complain about the results from last season or the turnaround in the farm system. It's been a mixed bag.

 

I also think you underestimate the bullpen plan. Given the Sox entered the lockout with 5 starters, both Houck and Whitlock were clearly destined for the bullpen. Add to that that despite man fans having done so, it’s possible the Sox had not completely given up on Barnes just yet. His collapse last year, no matter how much confidence in him you lost, still only spanned 9 innings. If I told you one year ago that on June 3, 2022, the Sox closer situation would be a season-long mess, your first thought would have been “what happens to Barnes? Injury? Trade? What?”

[mvp 78]

Keeping Mookie, Xander and Devers would have been nice, but even the Sox most freewheeling GM/President was unable to pull that off.

 

I don’t think keeping Mookie was as simple as many Sox and wish it was. Possible that without COVID, LA might not have been able to either…

 

I could have done it

 

And the COVID blah blah blah is just nonsense to make you feel better that the Sox let Mookie leave for little in return.

[mvp 78]

I also think you underestimate the bullpen plan. Given the Sox entered the lockout with 5 starters, both Houck and Whitlock were clearly destined for the bullpen. Add to that that despite man fans having done so, it’s possible the Sox had not completely given up on Barnes just yet. His collapse last year, no matter how much confidence in him you lost, still only spanned 9 innings. If I told you one year ago that on June 3, 2022, the Sox closer situation would be a season-long mess, your first thought would have been “what happens to Barnes? Injury? Trade? What?”

 

This post is gobbledygook.

 

The bullpen plan has sucked for the past 3 years. It has made no sense.

 

The OF plan was confusing as hell last year and just as confusing this year.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I also think you underestimate the bullpen plan. Given the Sox entered the lockout with 5 starters, both Houck and Whitlock were clearly destined for the bullpen. Add to that that despite man fans having done so, it’s possible the Sox had not completely given up on Barnes just yet. His collapse last year, no matter how much confidence in him you lost, still only spanned 9 innings. If I told you one year ago that on June 3, 2022, the Sox closer situation would be a season-long mess, your first thought would have been “what happens to Barnes? Injury? Trade? What?”

 

Don't you fans ever listen? He lost it chopping peppers... with his left hand!

[notin]

Pablo and Hanley.

 

Hanley was on the $240mill+ 2018 payroll, but not the $240mill+ 2019 payroll.

 

But I was counting Sandoval, as he was on both.

 

And while not part of the payroll, Rusney Castillo was still an expense…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This post is gobbledygook.

 

The bullpen plan has sucked for the past 3 years. It has made no sense.

 

The OF plan was confusing as hell last year and just as confusing this year.

 

At least Bloom wasn't confused when he said his team still needed a right-handed hitting outfielder. When did he say that: March? April? I forget, but it wasn't last month.

[Bellhorn04]

The P.B.A don’t have a very high membership outside of the few charter members on here. It makes them feel good though.

 

What a bunch of BS. There's hardly anyone here who hasn't criticized Bloom at times.

[JDavis76]

I could have done it

 

And the COVID blah blah blah is just nonsense to make you feel better that the Sox let Mookie leave for little in return.

 

Please explain exactly how you "could have done it" with 4 guys taking up roughly $120M in annual payroll.

[mvp 78]

Pablo and Hanley.

 

Pedroia

[mvp 78]

At least Bloom wasn't confused when he said his team still needed a right-handed hitting outfielder. When did he say that: March? April? I forget, but it wasn't last month.

 

Then they spun the wheel and ended up with Christian Arroyo.

[Old Red]

What a bunch of BS. There's hardly anyone here who hasn't criticized Bloom at times.

 

Who said anything about not criticizing Bloom at all? I never said that, but as usual over analyzing something. I on the other hand think Bloom is way over his head in Boston. Are you with me? Give me a hell yea!

[mvp 78]

What a bunch of BS. There's hardly anyone here who hasn't criticized Bloom at times.

 

The P.B.A never does.

[moonslav59]

I guess we can all agree: we should have signed Suzuki and R Iglesias, instead of Story, Wacha, Hill, Diekman and Strahm.

 

We'd be in first place by now.

Edited June 2, 2022 by moonslav59

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Then they spun the wheel and ended up with Christian Arroyo.

 

What, a bench of Arroyo and Shaw then Franchy isn't better than a bench of Marwin, Franchy and then Shaw?

 

How about Kinsler, Pearce, Brandon Phillips (game-winning HR) and Tony Renda (game-winning run scored as a pinch-runner in his only appearance of 2018, his last MLB game)?

 

Would you believe Pokey Reese, Dave Roberts and Doug Mientkiewicz?

 

Uh... Bobby Kielty: one career World Series at bat -- and goes yard!

[mvp 78]

What, a bench of Arroyo and Shaw then Franchy isn't better than a bench of Marwin, Franchy and then Shaw?

 

How about Kinsler, Pearce, Brandon Phillips (game-winning HR) and Tony Renda (game-winning run scored as a pinch-runner in his only appearance of 2018, his last MLB game)?

 

Would you believe Pokey Reese, Dave Roberts and Doug Mientkiewicz?

 

Uh... Bobby Kielty: one career World Series at bat -- and goes yard!

 

Everyone ignores the stretch run Cliff Floyd had for the Sox at the end of 2002.

[notin]

What a bunch of BS. There's hardly anyone here who hasn't criticized Bloom at times.

 

It’s ironic the same people criticizing folks for never blaming Bloom are the same ones who never let anyone criticize Dombrowski and rushed to his aid on their white horses.

 

And also probably fail to acknowledge DD’s hand in the Sox current situation…

[notin]

Who said anything about not criticizing Bloom at all? I never said that, but as usual over analyzing something. I on the other hand think Bloom is way over his head in Boston. Are you with me? Give me a hell yea!

 

 

Because baseball is played so differently in Boston?

[notin]

I could have done it

 

And the COVID blah blah blah is just nonsense to make you feel better that the Sox let Mookie leave for little in return.

 

 

Maybe your creative accounting skills exceed those of the current front office….

[Old Red]

Because baseball is played so differently in Boston?

 

Media, and fan base is a whole different game in itself in Boston compared to Tampa.

[Old Red]

It’s ironic the same people criticizing folks for never blaming Bloom are the same ones who never let anyone criticize Dombrowski and rushed to his aid on their white horses.

 

And also probably fail to acknowledge DD’s hand in the Sox current situation…

 

Outside of the Sale fiasco what else is DD responsible for that has caused the current situation?

[JDavis76]

Yanks in a rain delay in the 9th of the matinee. Up 6-1, they hung 4 runs on ohtani in 3 innings. Nasty Nestor with 7 innings of shutout ball.

[moonslav59]

Outside of the Sale fiasco what else is DD responsible for that has caused the current situation?

 

Right on cue as notin predicted.

 

How about...

 

Price

Dalbec

Budget

Farm