The Way Too Early Tear Down Thread

[Bellhorn04]

That was also 3 years and one TJ surgery ago…

 

Merely responding to Old Red's statement that they "extended an injured player"...

[notin]

Agreed. The acquiring team might also ask for one of those fancy negotiating windows that are sometimes allowed.

 

 

Those are usually put in before the season when players are more willing to talk and the only trade deadline is several months away.

 

A team acquiring him in July would have a built-in window of exclusive negotiation from whenever their season ended until free agents can officially declare…

[notin]

Merely responding to Old Red's statement that they "extended an injured player"...

 

They did. And it explains why Sale took such a cheap deal…

[Bellhorn04]

They did. And it explains why Sale took such a cheap deal…

 

OK, but you can't really strike out 218 guys when you're actually injured.

 

And I'm not going to say anything about the Sox medical staff, because MVP will say bad things to me.

[mvp 78]

Come on now. What team doesn’t want to pay $55mill for the exclusive privilege of putting Sale on the IL for the bulk of 2023-24?

 

Toronto.

[mvp 78]

I doubt they trade him anyway. The return on rental position players isn’t always that great and they might find the extra exclusive negotiating time and potential comp pick to be more valuable than any offers they get.

 

Lou Merlonii does think they’ll work out a deal before he opts out FWIW…

 

I want to believe...

[mvp 78]

They did. And it explains why Sale took such a cheap deal…

 

I was told it was market rate, but cheap because it was signed before he went to FA. Is that what we are going with here? Is that the consensus?

 

I look at it now and it doesn't really look cheap to me.

[Bellhorn04]

I was told it was market rate, but cheap because it was signed before he went to FA. Is that what we are going with here? Is that the consensus?

 

I look at it now and it doesn't really look cheap to me.

 

It was cheap if he was 100% healthy.

 

And thereby hangs a tale.

[mvp 78]

OK, but you can't really strike out 218 guys when you're actually injured.

 

And I'm not going to say anything about the Sox medical staff, because MVP will say bad things to me.

 

Have I told you about the crack medical staff the Sox have?

 

That comment is a throwback to another poster. Me? I have a lot of respect for the Sox staff because they have been a long time employer (19 years) of Russell Nua. I don't believe the medical staff is any less or more competent than any other MLB staff.

[notin]

OK, but you can't really strike out 218 guys when you're actually injured.

 

And I'm not going to say anything about the Sox medical staff, because MVP will say bad things to me.

 

Blaming the medical staff is a cop out. For all we know, they said “don’t extend him!!! Stop!! Bad idea!! His tendons are weaker than overcooked angel hair pasta!!”

[moonslav59]

Blaming the medical staff is a cop out. For all we know, they said “don’t extend him!!! Stop!! Bad idea!! His tendons are weaker than overcooked angel hair pasta!!”

 

Like what they said about Pedro.

[Bellhorn04]

Blaming the medical staff is a cop out. For all we know, they said “don’t extend him!!! Stop!! Bad idea!! His tendons are weaker than overcooked angel hair pasta!!”

 

Yes, it's best not to blame anyone. Idle speculation is rampant on this board!

[moonslav59]

Yes, it's best not to blame anyone. Idle speculation is rampant on this board!

 

Our whole society is all about blame, and rarely on oneself, either.

[moonslav59]

For what it's worth, here is the soxprospects.com projected arrival times of our top prospects:

 

2022

1. Casas

5. Duran

11. Seabold

22. Crawford

 

2023

4. Bello

6. Walter

7. Mata

9. Murphy

10. Winckowski (pitched in MLB this year)

13. Downs

15. Groome

27. Wong (has played in MLB already)

28. German

 

2024

2. Mayer

14. Rafaela

17. Binelas

20. Jimenez

21. Lugo

23. McDonough

24. T Ward

30. Koss

31. Hamilton

 

2025

16. Paulino

18. Jordan

25. Bonaci

26. Hickey

29. E Lopez

 

2026

8. Bleis

 

Other notables: Kavadas, Uberstine, E Bazardo, Z Kelly, Feltman, RHern, VSantos

[a700hitter]

I was told it was market rate, but cheap because it was signed before he went to FA. Is that what we are going with here? Is that the consensus?

 

I look at it now and it doesn't really look cheap to me.

I think they offer was on the low side of the market for someone with Sales ability. I think Sale took it, because he knew that his arm was starting to shred. You would think the physical exam would reveal the wear and tear.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Idle speculation is rampant on this board!

 

If we weren't idle, we wouldn't have time to speculate!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Our whole society is all about blame, and rarely on oneself, either.

 

I blame our bipolar society, and always on twoselves!

 

... and all the tripolars and quadpolars, who are into self-swapping.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

For what it's worth, here is the soxprospects.com projected arrival times of our top prospects:

 

2022

1. Casas

5. Duran

11. Seabold

22. Crawford

 

2023

4. Bello

6. Walter

7. Mata

9. Murphy

10. Winckowski (pitched in MLB this year)

13. Downs

15. Groome

27. Wong (has played in MLB already)

28. German

 

2024

2. Mayer

14. Rafaela

17. Binelas

20. Jimenez

21. Lugo

23. McDonough

24. T Ward

30. Koss

31. Hamilton

 

2025

16. Paulino

18. Jordan

25. Bonaci

26. Hickey

29. E Lopez

 

2026

8. Bleis

 

Other notables: Kavadas, Uberstine, E Bazardo, Z Kelly, Feltman, RHern, VSantos

 

Reading between the Bloom lines today, at least one or two of 4, 7 and 28 will be up by the end of this summer.

 

And if there is a full-scale rebuild, then expect about half of the 2024s to share coffee in the summer of '23. Management has to showcase the semblance of hope-for-the-future for the fans to keep watching.

[moonslav59]

Reading between the Bloom lines today, at least one or two of 4, 7 and 28 will be up by the end of this summer.

 

And if there is a full-scale rebuild, then expect about half of the 2024s to share coffee in the summer of '23. Management has to showcase the semblance of hope-for-the-future for the fans to keep watching.

 

I'm not sure about Mata. I do think Seabold & German are almost auto 2022 candidates. Duran, Casas and Bello are very likely. Wong and Murphy are likely, especially with a fire sale. Maybe Walter, Mata, Downs, Fitzy, RHern...

[dgalehouse]

A fire sale is unthinkable for a franchise like the Red Sox. I can't believe it is even being discussed . The whole idea is revolting.

[Old Red]

A fire sale is unthinkable for a franchise like the Red Sox. I can't believe it is even being discussed . The whole idea is revolting.

 

Some on here have been discussing this before the season even started. Are the Red Sox still charging the highest priced tickets in baseball? I noticed attendance is down, so why bother. If a so called fire sale is done as Michael Felger would say it’s all on the nerds, and clones who run the Red Sox.

[moonslav59]

A fire sale is unthinkable for a franchise like the Red Sox. I can't believe it is even being discussed . The whole idea is revolting.

 

You think they should be buyers if down 10 at the deadline?

 

It makes total sense to have a sale, if that is the case.

 

Now, should the 5th highest spending team ever get in a situation like this? Here is where your point makes sense, but it is what it is. We are here,

 

The sale in 2020 brought us Pivetta, Seabold and others. Holding onto Workman, Hembree, Moreland and others would have been pointless.

 

It sucks when we get to points like this, but it happens, and having a sale makes sense, when it does.

 

[JDavis76]

A fire sale is unthinkable for a franchise like the Red Sox. I can't believe it is even being discussed . The whole idea is revolting.

 

Hardly unthinkable.

 

And if the sox continue to battle with the orioles for last place in the division, a fire sale would be the smartest way to capitalize on expiring contracts and guys who don't factor into the long term plans.

[Bellhorn04]

A fire sale is unthinkable for a franchise like the Red Sox. I can't believe it is even being discussed . The whole idea is revolting.

 

Well, it did happen a mere 8 years ago, in 2014, when they traded Lester and Lackey.

[Old Red]

Hardly unthinkable.

 

And if the sox continue to battle with the orioles for last place in the division, a fire sale would be the smartest way to capitalize on expiring contracts and guys who don't factor into the long term plans.

A fire sale should start with Bloom if the team is bad enough for a fire sale.

[Old Red]

You think they should be buyers if down 10 at the deadline?

 

It makes total sense to have a sale, if that is the case.

 

Now, should the 5th highest spending team ever get in a situation like this? Here is where your point makes sense, but it is what it is. We are here,

 

The sale in 2020 brought us Pivetta, Seabold and others. Holding onto Workman, Hembree, Moreland and others would have been pointless.

 

It sucks when we get to points like this, but it happens, and having a sale makes sense, when it does.

 

 

If the fire sale includes Bogey, JD, or Evol is a lot different than hanging onto Workman, Hembree, and Moreland. That’s not even a logical comparison.

[moonslav59]

soxprospects.com projected rosters for 2024 and beyond (assuming no additions):

 

https://www.soxprospects.com/future.htm

 

2024 (I took out Bogey)

Sale, Paxton, Whitlock, Pivetta, Bello/Groome/Walter

Houck, Barnes, Diekman, Taylor, DHern, Winckowski/Seabold/Mata/Murphy/Ward/Feltman

Wong/RHern

Casas/Dalbec

Yorke/Downs

Story/Lugo

Arroyo/Arauz

Verdugo

Duran

Jimenez/Decker

[Bellhorn04]

If the fire sale includes Bogey, JD, or Evol is a lot different than hanging onto Workman, Hembree, and Moreland. That’s not even a logical comparison.

 

If we're clearly out of it at the end of July, you think it would make sense to hang onto JD and Eovaldi?

[dgalehouse]

A fire sale should start with Bloom if the team is bad enough for a fire sale.

 

Careful Old Red , Any criticism of Bloom will get the P.B.A. to come after you. P.B.A. is the Protect Bloom Association . Or , Protect Bloom's Ass , for short. We have some charter members on here . And they are all " very astute" folks.

[moonslav59]

If the fire sale includes Bogey, JD, or Evol is a lot different than hanging onto Workman, Hembree, and Moreland. That’s not even a logical comparison.

 

Of course, it's way different, but if we are out of it at the deadline, it makes sense to trade anyone who will be a FA, maybe even some we might want to re-sign, although that rarely happens.

 

It actually does a favor for guys like Bogey, Nate and JD, since they no longer will have a lost comp pick attached to them, next winter- making more teams interested in signing them.

 

This is not a fun time for me and probably no other fans, either, but it might be the best thing to do. You have even said, many times, we should trade guys we know we will not re-sign.

 

Not having a fire sale is what makes no sense, assuming we are out of it.