How much would you offer Eovaldi?

[dgalehouse]

We have not just arrived at this "point."

 

We lost...

Mueller

DLowe

Pedro

Damon

Manny (not all about the money with him)

Beltran

Papelbon

Beckett & AGon (to shed CC's money)

Ellsbury (Thank God!)

Lester, Lackey & Andrew Miller

Kimbrel, Porcello, Price

ERod

 

Somehow, we've kept on winning with this strategy.

You left out Mookie Betts. We have not won since 2018.

[mvp 78]

Nor is ERod a great example of us "keeping on winning" without him...

 

What's the Beltran thing? Did he mean Beltre? Is he just making a list of all players who have ever left?

 

Melancon has had 229 saves since leaving. Maybe mention him?

[JDavis76]

What's the Beltran thing? Did he mean Beltre? Is he just making a list of all players who have ever left?

 

Melancon has had 229 saves since leaving. Maybe mention him?

 

Nah, he couldn't mention melancon, it doesn't fit his cherry picking.

[moonslav59]

Mueller and Lowe they didn't want to re-sign. I'm not sure they had any interest in re-signing Pedro either. When did Beltran play here?

 

They traded Beckett and AGon....

 

I mean... what a crazy list...

 

I just named a few guys we did not want to pay. (Granted, some are dubious, but we clearly let a lot of top talent walk away or we pushed them away.

 

I meant Beltre not Beltran.

[moonslav59]

You left out Mookie Betts. We have not won since 2018.

 

My point was we reached "the point" you talked about log before Betts- no need to mention him, since that was my point.

[mvp 78]

I just named a few guys we did not want to pay. (Granted, some are dubious, but we clearly let a lot of top talent walk away or we pushed them away.

 

I meant Beltre not Beltran.

 

I think most every team could make a list like that though.

[mvp 78]

My point was we reached "the point" you talked about log before Betts- no need to mention him, since that was my point.

 

Most of the guys you mentioned weren't in their prime the way Betts was though.

[dgalehouse]

My point was we reached "the point" you talked about log before Betts- no need to mention him, since that was my point.

 

You did mention E-Rod , that was after Mookie.

[moonslav59]

You did mention E-Rod , that was after Mookie.

 

Yes, my bad. I was looking through the rosters up to the time of Mookie's departure. I should not have listed him.

 

Still, the lists shows a strategy that has been in place for a while, and long before Mookie and Bogey. The Sox are not afraid to part with their biggest named players, and many times, it turned out well, and or we won a ring afterwards.

 

The post Mookie era is TBD.

[moonslav59]

Most of the guys you mentioned weren't in their prime the way Betts was though.

 

Indeed, even Lester, the much talked about ex-Sox player was past his peak.

 

Some were not "homegrown" like Beltre & Damon.

 

Many bitched about Ellsbury, especially when he chose the Yanks.

 

Ellsbury was no Betts, but the strategy is not new. That was my point.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I'm figuring over the next long stretch of years we SOX fans will spend our time reminiscing about the SOX last 4 championships.

Something Yankem fans have been doing over the last 12 years.

Edited May 13, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[moonslav59]

I'm figuring over the next long stretch of years we SOX fans will spend our time reminiscing about the SOX last 4 championships.

Something Yankem fans have been doing over the last 12 years.

 

I don't think the stretch will be too long, but please don't let the Yanks win before the next one.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm the one who voted for 4 years.

[moonslav59]

I'm the one who voted for 4 years.

 

At $20-21M or closer to $24-25M?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I'm the one who voted for 4 years.

 

I joined you. This is the third straight year Eovaldi's been the Sox' best starter, and is a known commodity here. Even if he only has three more good years, who else is available -- with his stuff and yes, durability -- at his market value -- that actually wants to play in Boston and lead whatever version of team Bloom assembles?

[moonslav59]

I joined you. This is the third straight year Eovaldi's been the Sox' best starter, and is a known commodity here. Even if he only has three more good years, who else is available -- with his stuff and yes, durability -- at his market value -- that actually wants to play in Boston and lead whatever version of team Bloom assembles?

 

30 Syndergaard

30 Rodon (may opt out if he reaches 110 IP)

31 Manaea

31 Wacha

33 Eovaldi

34 Bassitt

35 deGrom

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

30 Syndergaard

30 Rodon (may opt out if he reaches 110 IP)

31 Manaea

31 Wacha

33 Eovaldi

34 Bassitt

35 deGrom

 

I assume this lists the free agent starters coming up next offseason. But say Thor and Rodon have great years; at their ages, will they accept Eovaldi money? Do they even want to play in Boston? The only other guy on the list better than Nate is deGrom -- and he's older and has a more recent injury history that makes him more of a longterm risk.

 

ps. and remember, Bloom is a CBO who looks at every penny saved; that's why he supposedly traded Benintendi and replaced him with Renfroe, and replaced him with nobody actually... but added more prospects to the farm.

[moonslav59]

I assume this lists the free agent starters coming up next offseason. But say Thor and Rodon have great years; at their ages, will they accept Eovaldi money? Do they even want to play in Boston? The only other guy on the list better than Nate is deGrom -- and he's older and has a more recent injury history that makes him more of a longterm risk.

 

ps. and remember, Bloom is a CBO who looks at every penny saved; that's why he supposedly traded Benintendi and replaced him with Renfroe, and replaced him with nobody actually... but added more prospects to the farm.

 

I'm not against re-signing Eovaldi.

 

I just listed some of the more notable FAs.

Edited May 13, 2022 by moonslav59

[Bellhorn04]

At $20-21M or closer to $24-25M?

 

$23-24 million, I think.

[Bellhorn04]

Syndergaard is another guy coming off TJ surgery. He's younger than Eo but he'll be past 30. Would you offer him more than Eo?

[Bellhorn04]

It must be said that Eo has been giving up a lot of dingers this year (resulting in a 4.54 FIP) when homers are generally down. So that's something to watch. His K/BB ratio continues to be outstanding.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I don't think the stretch will be too long, but please don't let the Yanks win before the next one.

 

MOON, the eternal optimist.

[moonslav59]

MOON, the eternal optimist.

 

I'm not sure why so many people seem to think we are 3-5 years away from having a chance, and I was the one crying "cliff" 3 years ago.

[Bellhorn04]

Syndergaard is another guy coming off TJ surgery. He's younger than Eo but he'll be past 30. Would you offer him more than Eo?

 

As far as Thor is concerned, it's also possible the Angels sign him to an extension. They've got money too, as they periodically remind people.

[Old Red]

Has Evol been offered a big contract extension like Bogey, and Raffy were?

[Bellhorn04]

Has Evol been offered a big contract extension like Bogey, and Raffy were?

 

I don't think there's been any report of one.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Has Evol been offered a big contract extension like Bogey, and Raffy were?

 

In an interview about a month ago he said he hadn't been approached. Maybe the Red Sox would rather invest longterm in a guy like Rodon or Thor instead. But if that's the case, why didn't they sign either of them short term this year, instead of Wacha and Hill.

 

Oh, that's right: because the plan was to flip Wacha and Hill for prospects this summer...

[notin]

I joined you. This is the third straight year Eovaldi's been the Sox' best starter, and is a known commodity here. Even if he only has three more good years, who else is available -- with his stuff and yes, durability -- at his market value -- that actually wants to play in Boston and lead whatever version of team Bloom assembles?

 

And he can take the spot Price vacates right next to Sale on the IL. By the way, what makes anyone think 4 years is even an option for the “best pitcher each of the last 3 years”? What if he wants 5? Or 6?

 

Maybe free agency isn’t the best place to get SP. A bullpen? A closer if you prefer? Absolutely.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

And he can take the spot Price vacates right next to Sale on the IL. By the way, what makes anyone think 4 years is even an option for the “best pitcher each of the last 3 years”? What if he wants 5? Or 6?

 

Maybe free agency isn’t the best place to get SP. A bullpen? A closer if you prefer? Absolutely.

 

Some of us -- certainly you and I -- said all offseason that a trade for a starter was needed. I wish I could say demanded and expected, but we've all learned those verbs are futile when fans discuss Chaim Bloom.

[Bellhorn04]

And he can take the spot Price vacates right next to Sale on the IL. By the way, what makes anyone think 4 years is even an option for the “best pitcher each of the last 3 years”? What if he wants 5? Or 6?

 

Maybe free agency isn’t the best place to get SP. A bullpen? A closer if you prefer? Absolutely.

 

So where's the "best place" then, exactly?