Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

Gabrielle Starr on Bosox Injection wrote a good column a few days ago on the Raffy contract negotiations on how the two sides were $100,000 apart. Lots of excitement on here when it was announced that the Red Sox had sent someone down for so called contract talks . To sum it up that store bought Birthday cake that JH bought didn’t come close enough to what Raffy liked. JH couldn’t even spring for a special made cake. Surprising? I don’t believe so.

[Bellhorn04]

Gabrielle Starr on Bosox Injection wrote a good column a few days ago on the Raffy contract negotiations on how the two sides were $100,000 apart. Lots of excitement on here when it was announced that the Red Sox had sent someone down for so called contract talks . To sum it up that store bought Birthday cake that JH bought didn’t come close enough to what Raffy liked. JH couldn’t even spring for a special made cake. Surprising? I don’t believe so.

 

I wish they were only $100,000 apart. But I do know what you meant. $100,000,000 apart.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I wish they were only $100,000 apart. But I do know what you meant. $100,000,000 apart.

 

If every registered member of the forum donated one dollar each to the Keep-Raffy Campaign, the gap would only be $99,993,474.

[Old Red]

I wish they were only $100,000 apart. But I do know what you meant. $100,000,000 apart.

 

Good correction! What’s your level of confidence that a deal with Raffy gets done? Mine not so much.

Edited October 31, 2022 by Old Red

[Bellhorn04]

Good correction! What’s your level of confidence that a deal with Raffy gets done? Mine not so much.

 

Pretty low right now.

 

It's quite possible the Sox make a little show of trying to keep Bogey and Devers, and keep neither.

[Old Red]

Pretty low right now.

 

It's quite possible the Sox make a little show of trying to keep Bogey and Devers, and keep neither.

 

I think the little show will be for PR purposes, and nothing else, and I’m not to sure that is going to come out well.

[mvp 78]

Read an interview with Betts a couple weeks ago he said if the Sox offered him what the Dodgers did he would have signed here

 

I saw that a while ago. People said on here it was just for PR. I think the Sox should have at least counter offered and shown more interest in retaining a franchise player like that.

[mvp 78]

Meanwhile back in the real baseball world

DD is 3 wins away from a ring “priceless”

 

Thanks John “you haven’t made a bad move yet “

 

Which MLB organization has the most championships in the past 20 years?

[Bellhorn04]

I saw that a while ago. People said on here it was just for PR. I think the Sox should have at least counter offered and shown more interest in retaining a franchise player like that.

 

I think John Henry got huffy, to be perfectly honest about it.

[Old Red]

I saw that a while ago. People said on here it was just for PR. I think the Sox should have at least counter offered and shown more interest in retaining a franchise player like that.

 

I don’t know if the Red Sox offer was PR, or not, but pretty sure the Red Sox knew he was going to reject the offer.

[notin]

I think the little show will be for PR purposes, and nothing else, and I’m not to sure that is going to come out well.

 

That is possible, but the PR of trying and failing is never as successful as the PR of bringing the player back or off replacing him. The bottom line is, with or without Devers, the Sox need to field a successful team that wins games and if fun to watch.

 

Devers is not going to make this easy with his reported demand of $300mill. And I don’t think too many are going to side with Bloom that his offer was comparable to what Austin Reilly accepted. In fact, bringing back Bogaerts won’t change this. No one will think he did his job properly if he lets Devers go and extends Bogaerts instead, just like no one said that when DD extended Bogaerts and Sale after not extending Betts.

 

But Bloom also appears to be in a position where he can’t simply capitulate to every star player’s demand either. Because the effects of that go beyond simply extending the player and can impact future contracts…

[mvp 78]

I don’t know if the Red Sox offer was PR, or not, but pretty sure the Red Sox knew he was going to reject the offer.

 

Not the Red Sox offer, that Mookie's statement was just for PR. That he really didn't want to stay in Boston no matter what.

 

I personally have no idea what Mookie would have done. I just wish the Sox did counter and then our arguments would at least have a little more teeth and less conjecture.

[Old Red]

Not the Red Sox offer, that Mookie's statement was just for PR. That he really didn't want to stay in Boston no matter what.

 

I personally have no idea what Mookie would have done. I just wish the Sox did counter and then our arguments would at least have a little more teeth and less conjecture.

It’s hard to say what Mookie would have done. I heard Mookie on a podcast with Rob Bradford a while back, and he pretty much said the same thing he did in the interview, but like you said we will never know, because the Red Sox didn’t counter.

[redsoxrules]

It’s hard to say what Mookie would have done. I heard Mookie on a podcast with Rob Bradford a while back, and he pretty much said the same thing he did in the interview, but like you said we will never know, because the Red Sox didn’t counter.

 

Again, any player would say that. Otherwise they look like a traitor. We will never know the real truth

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

That is possible, but the PR of trying and failing is never as successful as the PR of bringing the player back or off replacing him. The bottom line is, with or without Devers, the Sox need to field a successful team that wins games and if fun to watch.

 

Devers is not going to make this easy with his reported demand of $300mill. And I don’t think too many are going to side with Bloom that his offer was comparable to what Austin Reilly accepted.

 

Bloom's one line that makes it obvious that he won't pay Devers the market value he deserves: "It has to make sense for us..."

 

(... which really means that Raffy's current contract demands don't -- but only to Boston... so far)

 

-- Maybe it's time to swing a trade for Sal Perez: catcher, leader, World Champ, home run hitter, $20M AAV, and -37.4 trade value on BTV. The Royals' change in leadership means they're rebuilding again, so anything has to be on the table. Can Bloom package prospects for Sal and closer Scott Barlow (18.9 value), whose ERA and WHIP have improved the past four years in a row? At least if he's taking Perez off KC's payroll, Bloom should press for top '21 draft pick Frank Mozzicato, the southpaw from Connecticut (with only a 4.1 value)...

[MADSTORK]

Bloom's one line that makes it obvious that he won't pay Devers the market value he deserves: "It has to make sense for us..."

 

(... which really means that Raffy's current contract demands don't -- but only to Boston... so far)

 

-- Maybe it's time to swing a trade for Sal Perez: catcher, leader, World Champ, home run hitter, $20M AAV, and -37.4 trade value on BTV. The Royals' change in leadership means they're rebuilding again, so anything has to be on the table. Can Bloom package prospects for Sal and closer Scott Barlow (18.9 value), whose ERA and WHIP have improved the past four years in a row? At least if he's taking Perez off KC's payroll, Bloom should press for top '21 draft pick Frank Mozzicato, the southpaw from Connecticut (with only a 4.1 value)...

 

Lmao

Trade a perennial All-Star 3B for a C

Brilliant strategy

 

Bloom is in over his head

 

Like I stated months ago, the Story signing was and is a disaster

20 plus million that could and should have gone to Devers with Arroyo at 2B until York is ready

 

Garbage GM making Garbage decisions

[Old Red]

Bloom's one line that makes it obvious that he won't pay Devers the market value he deserves: "It has to make sense for us..."

 

(... which really means that Raffy's current contract demands don't -- but only to Boston... so far)

 

-- Maybe it's time to swing a trade for Sal Perez: catcher, leader, World Champ, home run hitter, $20M AAV, and -37.4 trade value on BTV. The Royals' change in leadership means they're rebuilding again, so anything has to be on the table. Can Bloom package prospects for Sal and closer Scott Barlow (18.9 value), whose ERA and WHIP have improved the past four years in a row? At least if he's taking Perez off KC's payroll, Bloom should press for top '21 draft pick Frank Mozzicato, the southpaw from Connecticut (with only a 4.1 value)...

 

I think the one action that speaks louder than words was the lowball offers to to Raffy, and Bogey last off season.

[notin]

I think the one action that speaks louder than words was the lowball offers to to Raffy, and Bogey last off season.

 

The lowball offer to Devers appears to be the same offer Austin Reilly accepted. And interestingly, Reilly has been the better player over the last two seasons…

[Old Red]

The lowball offer to Devers appears to be the same offer Austin Reilly accepted. And interestingly, Reilly has been the better player over the last two seasons…

 

That’s good for the Braves, but I don’t think you’ll be seeing Raffy signing close to that contract.

[moonslav59]

The lowball offer to Devers appears to be the same offer Austin Reilly accepted. And interestingly, Reilly has been the better player over the last two seasons…

 

So, not really that much of a "lowball?"

[notin]

That’s good for the Braves, but I don’t think you’ll be seeing Raffy signing close to that contract.

 

The question then is - what’s a fair market contract for Devers?

 

Is he really a $300mill player?

 

What might get interesting is if Judge at age 30 isn’t a $300mill player. Every player who has signed a $300mill contract was at least three younger than Judge when they signed. (Edit: Gerrit Cole was actually one year younger.)

 

So if Devers wants $300mill and Judge is looking like $280mill, who do you sign?

Edited November 1, 2022 by notin

[notin]

So, not really that much of a "lowball?"

 

Not really…

[notin]

Lmao

Trade a perennial All-Star 3B for a C

Brilliant strategy

 

Bloom is in over his head

 

Like I stated months ago, the Story signing was and is a disaster

20 plus million that could and should have gone to Devers with Arroyo at 2B until York is ready

 

Garbage GM making Garbage decisions

 

Can we get a smarter troll? Maybe one who can read at the fourth grade level???

[Old Red]

The question then is - what’s a fair market contract for Devers?

 

Is he really a $300mill player?

 

What might get interesting is if Judge at age 30 isn’t a $300mill player. Every player who has signed a $300mill contract was at least three younger than Judge when they signed.

 

So if Devers wants $300mill and Judge is looking like $280mill, who do you sign?

I don’t think Raffy has had his best years yet, and this was Judge’s best year, which most likely he won’t duplicate again, so I’m going with Raffy. Hopefully Raffy would stay in some sort of good shape.

Edited November 1, 2022 by Old Red

[notin]

I don’t think Raffy has had his best years yet, and this was Judge’s best year, which most likely he won’t duplicate again, so I’m going with Raffy.

 

Devers was worth 4.9 fWAR. Judge was worth 11.4 fWAR.

 

Judge could decrease a lot while Devers improves a lot and still be better and hypothetically cheaper.

 

I don’t think it’s such an easy question. Although a lot depends on Judge’s actual demands…

[moonslav59]

Can we get a smarter troll? Maybe one who can read at the fourth grade level???

 

You just need to stop overanalyzing.

[redsoxrules]

That’s good for the Braves, but I don’t think you’ll be seeing Raffy signing close to that contract.

 

And this is why the Sox need to move on from that as they can find a replacement for cheaper.

He must be talking to himself too much like he does at the plate to think he's worth 300 million.

And if the Sox do indeed meet his demands and give him 300 Million then Bloom needs to be s*** canned.

[moonslav59]

And this is why the Sox need to move on from that as they can find a replacement for cheaper.

He must be talking to himself too much like he does at the plate to think he's worth 300 million.

And if the Sox do indeed meet his demands and give him 300 Million then Bloom needs to be s*** canned.

 

1. A player asking for $300M rarely gets it or even expects it.

2. If we sign him for $300M, it won't be Bloom making the final call, and I doubt he lobbies JH for that much.

3. We should find the magic number or, I hate to say it, we need to trade him.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The question then is - what’s a fair market contract for Devers?

Is he really a $300mill player?

 

What might get interesting is if Judge at age 30 isn’t a $300mill player. Every player who has signed a $300mill contract was at least three younger than Judge when they signed. (Edit: Gerrit Cole was actually one year younger.)

 

So if Devers wants $300mill and Judge is looking like $280mill, who do you sign?

 

Devers isn't Mookie, who turned down $300M in Boston; he's not the best defensive player at his position nor a good baserunner.

 

But Devers, 26, is better than Anthony Rendon, the Angel third baseman who will be paid $38,571,428 for each of the next four years in his age 33-36 seasons.

 

Can anyone fault Devers or his agents for looking at $38M AAV as the top-of-the-industry market value for third basemen? Is it that ludicrous for Devers to expect a minimum of $30M AAV or that someone will offer him that?

 

More telling: if the Boston Red Sox aren't willing to pay market value for another young star player about to enter his prime -- then will they ever again?!?!

[notin]

Devers isn't Mookie, who turned down $300M in Boston; he's not the best defensive player at his position nor a good baserunner.

 

But Devers, 26, is better than Anthony Rendon, the Angel third baseman who will be paid $38,571,428 for each of the next four years in his age 33-36 seasons.

 

Can anyone fault Devers or his agents for looking at $38M AAV as the top-of-the-industry market value for third basemen? Is it that ludicrous for Devers to expect a minimum of $30M AAV or that someone will offer him that?

 

More telling: if the Boston Red Sox aren't willing to pay market value for another young star player about to enter his prime -- then will they ever again?!?!

 

Will Devers settle for a 7 year deal like Rendon did?

 

Are you suggesting a 7 year $266mill contract? Or a 10 year $380mill contract?

 

And are we defining fair market value as “what the player wants”?

Edited November 1, 2022 by notin