Fire Bloom .

[mvp 78]

It's a joke bro. Lighten the f*** up.

 

This is serious business!

[notin]

News flash! Evol, and Wacha aren’t pitching in Boston now either, but that’s what people are looking at now on how well they are pitching, and Kluber sucking. I never said Perez was that good in Boston either. You focused a long time on wanting the Red Sox to resign Evol, and Wacha when that was never the point, or the issue. Have you figured out yet if the Red Sox just signed Turner to be on the bench? That was a good one, but you should have your answer by now. He was a good pickup, but JD hit his 14th yesterday, and so far is having a better year with the bat.

 

Perez did nothing in his first two chances in Boston to merit a third chance. Heck many (myself included) felt he didn’t deserve a second one. Even Texas hasn’t been all that keen on him as shown by their repeated one year deals. Perez left, and the Sox pitching was better for it. Hill deserved a second chance more than Perez deserved a third one…

[notin]

The success with Wacha is tempered by the fact that Bloom didn't re-sign him on a cheap deal.

 

This debate largely started over the failure to return two more oft-injured pitchers to a staff that’s short-handed due to injury. With Sale and Paxton already here, should the Sox have gambled on Wacha and/or Eovaldi as well? This staff is already loaded with pitchers who cannot withstand a full season to the point where Nick Pivetta is actually considered sn “innings eater” because he can reach 150IP in a year.

 

Kluber was never going to be anything more than a one year stopgap (unless he dazzled). But why do people want all these injury-prone atms on the rotation on multiyear deals? Not happy with the low total of starter IP just from Sale?

[Dipre]

This debate largely started over the failure to return two more oft-injured pitchers to a staff that’s short-handed due to injury. With Sale and Paxton already here, should the Sox have gambled on Wacha and/or Eovaldi as well? This staff is already loaded with pitchers who cannot withstand a full season to the point where Nick Pivetta is actually considered sn “innings eater” because he can reach 150IP in a year.

 

Kluber was never going to be anything more than a one year stopgap (unless he dazzled). But why do people want all these injury-prone atms on the rotation on multiyear deals? Not happy with the low total of starter IP just from Sale?

 

I request your permission to take this post to a celebratory round of heavy drinking out in the town tonight.

[mvp 78]

Perez did nothing in his first two chances in Boston to merit a third chance. Heck many (myself included) felt he didn’t deserve a second one. Even Texas hasn’t been all that keen on him as shown by their repeated one year deals. Perez left, and the Sox pitching was better for it. Hill deserved a second chance more than Perez deserved a third one…

 

The easiest thing to do is always criticize everything retrospectively without ever stating which moves you want to make ahead of time.

 

"Bloom sucks. He shoulda kept this guy. He's good this year!"

 

"Ok, so who do you think Bloom should pick up this offseason?"

 

"I don't know. That's not my job!"

[mvp 78]

This debate largely started over the failure to return two more oft-injured pitchers to a staff that’s short-handed due to injury. With Sale and Paxton already here, should the Sox have gambled on Wacha and/or Eovaldi as well? This staff is already loaded with pitchers who cannot withstand a full season to the point where Nick Pivetta is actually considered sn “innings eater” because he can reach 150IP in a year.

 

Kluber was never going to be anything more than a one year stopgap (unless he dazzled). But why do people want all these injury-prone atms on the rotation on multiyear deals? Not happy with the low total of starter IP just from Sale?

 

The WOO starting rotation can't even compete in AAA. I'm sure it would be glorious to see after they were all pitching at Fenway in August.

 

Chris Murphy 7.71 ERA

Brandon Walter 6.75 ERA

Bryan Mata 5.61 ERA and injured

[Old Red]

Perez did nothing in his first two chances in Boston to merit a third chance. Heck many (myself included) felt he didn’t deserve a second one. Even Texas hasn’t been all that keen on him as shown by their repeated one year deals. Perez left, and the Sox pitching was better for it. Hill deserved a second chance more than Perez deserved a third one…

I agree that Perez didn’t deserve any more time, but it just turned out he got better after Boston. Hill probably would have been cheaper that Kluber too, so why didn’t Bloom go that way?

[Dipre]

Even worse, Perez turned back into a pumpkin this season.

[Old Red]

The easiest thing to do is always criticize everything retrospectively without ever stating which moves you want to make ahead of time.

 

"Bloom sucks. He shoulda kept this guy. He's good this year!"

 

"Ok, so who do you think Bloom should pick up this offseason?"

 

"I don't know. That's not my job!"

 

You mean t like you did with the IF situation? Doesn’t Bloom get paid big bucks to do his job?

[mvp 78]

You mean t like you did with the IF situation? Doesn’t Bloom get paid big bucks to do his job?

 

Like I did what?

[mvp 78]

Even worse, Perez turned back into a pumpkin this season.

 

The 6.5% HR/FB was unsustainable? The ERA that was much less than his xFIP was kinda SSS fool's gold? No way!

[Old Red]

Like I did what?

 

Criticize my guy Bloom after the fact with the IF/Kike situation on what you would have done.

[mvp 78]

Criticize my guy Bloom after the fact with the IF/Kike situation on what you would have done.

 

I spent all offseason saying that the MIF situation was a mess. I've always thought that Kiké was a good to great CFer and should have been left there. This is unchanging. This isn't after the fact reporting in the manner that you do.

[notin]

I agree that Perez didn’t deserve any more time, but it just turned out he got better after Boston. Hill probably would have been cheaper that Kluber too, so why didn’t Bloom go that way?

 

Not sure. I wasn’t a huge Hill fan, but it seems like I liked Hill a lot more than Cora apparently did. If I was Hill, I wouldn’t have wanted to come back.

 

Of course, there’sa good chance Hill felt differently. Not a 100% chance, of course…

[notin]

I spent all offseason saying that the MIF situation was a mess. I've always thought that Kiké was a good to great CFer and should have been left there. This is unchanging. This isn't after the fact reporting in the manner that you do.

 

Since they passed on Andrus and apparently had some faith in Mondesi, I didn’t mind giving Kike a shot. But it should have ended a while ago. Hamilton, for all his defensive shortcomings, deserves a shot at being an upgrade. (That’s on Bloom.). And Reyes could be penciled in any time. (That’s on Cora.)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I doubt fans really want more old injury-prone pitchers to worry about. But the few of us who wanted Eovaldi and Wacha back last winter reasoned they proved they could succeed for the Red Sox and liked playing Boston. Neither one of those are ever guaranteed for a new old guy like Kluber.

 

But if the bottom line was Kluber's contract length, and Eovaldi and/or Wacha were feared money risks next year or the one after that, then that tells us all right there that Henry and Bloom never gave a crap -- enough -- about this year.

[notin]

The easiest thing to do is always criticize everything retrospectively without ever stating which moves you want to make ahead of time.

 

"Bloom sucks. He shoulda kept this guy. He's good this year!"

 

"Ok, so who do you think Bloom should pick up this offseason?"

 

"I don't know. That's not my job!"

 

In August, 2022: “Why didn’t Bloom trade JD?”

 

In June, 2023: “Why didn’t Bloom keep JD?”

[Dipre]

I doubt fans really want more old injury-prone pitchers to worry about. But the few of us who wanted Eovaldi and Wacha back last winter reasoned they proved they could succeed for the Red Sox and liked playing Boston. Neither one of those are ever guaranteed for a new old guy like Kluber.

 

But if the bottom line was Kluber's contract length, and Eovaldi and/or Wacha were feared money risks next year or the one after that, then that tells us all right there that Henry and Bloom never gave a crap -- enough -- about this year.

 

You do know all of this is conjecture either way right?

[mvp 78]

Since they passed on Andrus and apparently had some faith in Mondesi, I didn’t mind giving Kike a shot. But it should have ended a while ago. Hamilton, for all his defensive shortcomings, deserves a shot at being an upgrade. (That’s on Bloom.). And Reyes could be penciled in any time. (That’s on Cora.)

 

Hamilton can't play SS. He'd have the worst arm in MLB at SS.

 

I don't know why they haven't played Reyes more. He looked fine whenever I saw him in there.

[Old Red]

I spent all offseason saying that the MIF situation was a mess. I've always thought that Kiké was a good to great CFer and should have been left there. This is unchanging. This isn't after the fact reporting in the manner that you do.

 

Kike may be a good CF, but I didn’t think he should have been resigned, and I said so at the time. I also said Story was going to be the SS this year, which he was until he was hurt when others on here said he would stay at 2B.

[notin]

I doubt fans really want more old injury-prone pitchers to worry about. But the few of us who wanted Eovaldi and Wacha back last winter reasoned they proved they could succeed for the Red Sox and liked playing Boston. Neither one of those are ever guaranteed for a new old guy like Kluber.

 

But if the bottom line was Kluber's contract length, and Eovaldi and/or Wacha were feared money risks next year or the one after that, then that tells us all right there that Henry and Bloom never gave a crap -- enough -- about this year.

 

I was with you until that last line.

 

Bloom’s job isn’t to solely focus on this year, and this has always been true of every GM ever…

[mvp 78]

In August, 2022: “Why didn’t Bloom trade JD?”

 

In June, 2023: “Why didn’t Bloom keep JD?”

 

Get to eat Bloom's cake and have it too!

[moonslav59]

So, in short, Bloom built a crappy team last year, and his big mistake this year was not bringing back the same team.

 

Got it!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You do know all of this is conjecture either way right?

 

That's all we do here. Doesn't it sound like Cora is challenging Bloom, when talking about the joke defense yesterday and telling the media, "The roster is the roster."

 

Maybe Cora is drawing a line for ownership to make a choice. He did say recently that he wasn't going to be a manager for much longer, but would like to someday be a GM...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I was with you until that last line.

 

Bloom’s job isn’t to solely focus on this year, and this has always been true of every GM ever…

 

... sure, except for all those posters, media and vocal fans who said this year is make or break for Bloom.

[Old Red]

In August, 2022: “Why didn’t Bloom trade JD?”

 

In June, 2023: “Why didn’t Bloom keep JD?”

 

NO ONE including me said they should have kept JD. Pointing out he is having a better year with the bat than Turner is not saying JD should have been resigned. I was all for letting him go, and liked the Turner signing.

[Dipre]

That's all we do here. Doesn't it sound like Cora is challenging Bloom, when talking about the joke defense yesterday and telling the media, "The roster is the roster."

 

Maybe Cora is drawing a line for ownership to make a choice. He did say recently that he wasn't going to be a manager for much longer, but would like to someday be a GM...

 

Not really. We mostly discuss things that can be demonstrated, or just plain facts.

 

Fact: This is a poorly constructed roster.

 

Not a fact: What people think Henry and Bloom think.

[Dipre]

... sure, except for all those posters, media and vocal fans who said this year is make or break for Bloom.

 

Is it though? Because Henry signs the checks, and probably doesn't care at all what posters, media and vocal fans say.

[Old Red]

... sure, except for all those posters, media and vocal fans who said this year is make or break for Bloom.

 

They didn’t expect it to be this bad again.

[mvp 78]

I was with you until that last line.

 

Bloom’s job isn’t to solely focus on this year, and this has always been true of every GM ever…

 

They want to "compete" year in and year out. They are having considerable trouble figuring out how to run it back when changing out the roster every year.